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Anonymous Takes Down Turkish Government Site 117

Posted by timothy
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arisvega writes with word that the group of hackers known as Anonymous "has taken down a Turkish government website in a protest against recently introduced Internet filters that many consider to be censorship. They also appear to have published a manifesto. Turkey has a long history of Internet censorship, with the country's ISPs having blocked YouTube and numerous other sites in the the past couple of years." From the linked manifesto: "(The Turkish government) has blocked thousands of websites and blogs while abusive legal proceedings against online journalists persist. The government now wants to impose a new filtering system on the 22nd of August that will make it possible to keep records of all the people's internet activity. Though it remains opaque why and how the system will be put in place, it is clear that the government is taking censorship to the next level."
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Anonymous Takes Down Turkish Government Site

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    • http://www.tib.gov.tr/ [tib.gov.tr]

      Or maybe you just slashdotted it...

      • by vajorie (1307049)
        It was my jailbait for you all.

        slashdotted it...

        BTK [wikipedia.org] had an announcement about TIB on a Turkish newspaper today, saying that they will get the IP addresses of the attackers and will "possibly punish them" for it (1 [gelecekonline.com], in Turkish). I posted the link so we all can have a touristic visit to a Turkish jail.

        PS. Turkish media are now reporting (most probably upon government directives) that the attacks were not successful despite initial reports.

    • by xenopain (1153495)
      For all trying to check whether the website is still down, TIB actually blocked connections out of Turkey to their website as a precaution against this attack. Soon they will cut the cord and claim their website is not affected at all.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by vajorie (1307049)

        TIB actually blocked connections out of Turkey to their website as a precaution against this attack.

        DoS'ing yourself to avoid being attacked... They are experts in security!

        These fucktards regulate the internet in my country...

        • Ultimate security is in a disconnected computer. That part of the ISO27001 they got right.

          Now let's talk about that "availability" part of the trinity "security - integrity - availability".

  • Hacking increase (Score:4, Interesting)

    by thecounterweight (2256980) on Saturday June 11, 2011 @03:50PM (#36412864)
    Is it just me or has the number of news stories relating to someone being hacked or DDOSd dramatically increased in the past few months?? From PSN (which I am a member of), to the wave of recent LulzSec and Anonymous stories, I cant ever remember a streak of hacking like this one. Loving equilibrium, I think It would be awesome if someone at least attempted to hack LulzSec. They seem less interested in making the world better like Anonymous, and more interested in just showing off their hax0rz skillz.
    • They've found that they're getting more and more media attention and loving it.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        They're also getting more police attention. Now we get to find out how good they really are. It's not what you can do, it's what you can get away with.

        Unless the press get bored, which they almost certainly will. Then the public will forget and the police can go back to sleep.

    • Anonymous has no agenda, because people or groups who are operating under the Anonymous banner do not communicate or coordinate with one another. Sure, the case might prove to be that in reality there's only one small active group that are actually competent and driven enough to pull off "advanced persistent threat" status - but it might as well be any number of people and groups involved. And even then, that group would probably shift, or new groups and people could take up the banner.

      Someone could start
      • by cozzbp (1845636)
        True, but if the organization's name was "hackingsensation!" people could still start hacking charities tomorrow claiming to be that group. It's not so much the name "Anonymous", but the fact that they are a hacking group.
      • by xantonin (1973196)
        Every time I see a story about "anonymous" I just replace the word with "unknown people", and all the stories make more sense.
    • To be specific, media coverage about hacking has increased. Actual hacking activity might have increased. The two are very separate things.
    • by xantonin (1973196)
      They are called LulzSec for a reason, and I'm sure that reason is for the lulz. So I can't really agree with you that an organization that does things for the lulz should do anything more meaningful...
    • by UBfusion (1303959)

      What gets published in the media as "news" is heavily filtered and several criteria have to be met before an event becomes "news". One of the criteria is whether the item has brought enough ad clicks in the recent past and the PSN hack certainly did.

      Do you really think that the hacking of a minor gov site would make the news in e.g. CNN two years ago?

      The number of such news stories recently has increased but it's mainly positive feedback: the more publicity the villains get, the more they are at it.

    • by Dan541 (1032000)

      Since when does "Anonymous" make the world; or anything else better?

    • inevitably next up : the evil genius mastermind , "leader" of anonymous gets arrested on charges of raping a groupie in a hotel room whilst throwing child porn around in the streets. You're right, this seems to be turning into a boasting contest.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    ... they could actually find a TR government site that works.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    ... when they take the government down.

  • One of the people responsible for making injunctions against websites is Adnan Oktar, AKA Harun Yahya. Just another creotard but seemingly with a lot of power. Question, where does all the money come from to publish his "Atlas of Creation" and give it away free?
  • EU membership (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Hitman_Frost (798840) on Saturday June 11, 2011 @03:52PM (#36412884)

    I'm really not sure we should be letting these guys into the EU until they start making some changes to the way they do things.

    • by robot256 (1635039)
      I dunno, man. Seems to me they're not all that [laquadrature.net] far [theinquirer.net] off [upvery.com].
    • by Narishma (822073)

      They're just trying to preemptively comply with future EU legislation.

    • by dryriver (1010635)
      Its the other way around. Ever since the EU - France/Sarkozy and Germany/Merkel in particular - pushed a then EU-membership-eagerTurkey away in the mid 2000s with silly religious-geographic arguments, like "Turkey isn't and never will be a European Country", privacy-rights and other human rights in Turkey - like the right to peaceful protest/assembly - have become seriously eroded. Turkey in 2011 is a true Orwellian 1984 state where people are afraid to discuss politics or religion over the phone or interne
      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by vajorie (1307049)

        Turkey in 2011 is a true Orwellian 1984 state where people are afraid to discuss politics or religion over the phone or internet, where going into important business meetings you are routinely asked to check your smartphone/mobile phone at the door, where anytime anything crime related happens, police magically get hold of 'detailed Internet records' of the perps immediately.

        I live in Turkey: all of this is outright lies except the last one, which occurs "elsewhere" as well (as in "think of the children

    • by vajorie (1307049)

      I'm really not sure we should be letting these guys into the EU until they start making some changes to the way they do things.

      But, my highness, please... let us in... it's so warm and cozy in there!

      /sarcasm

    • Don't worry the don't have snowballs chance in hell of ever being admitted. The only reason they have not been shown the door yet was because the US was supporting them but that is no longer the case.
  • Is no one else concerned with the fact that these guys get to do whatever they want, to whom ever they want, and there are no repercussions? I understand the way Anonymous works, it's difficult to track these people down. But you can't tell me that with the recent trend in public hacks that many of them aren't performed by the same group of people.

    Anonymous doesn't have any type of real leadership, and there has never been a very active group of core members, it's more or less "hey we're going to attack t
    • Okay. If you're so concerned, go track them down then.

      Or what do you propose? Warrantless raids/espionage on proxy servers/bots/Tor nodes all over the world? Because that's what it would realistically take to catch "them".
      • Attendum: I agree that it's not a good thing that you can get away with evil/bothersome things like carding and vandalism over the net. I'm just saying that it's pretty much impossible to track someone who doesn't wish to be tracked when the only information you have is the IP address of the last proxy in a chain stretching across the globe. That's just the reality of the situation.

        The only way to remove that would either be to remove all technical possibility of exploitation and attack from the net, or
      • by artor3 (1344997)

        Or moles, warrants for access to server logs and wiretaps, and basically all the tools that are already used to track organized criminals. I know they like to bill themselves as these supernatural, everywhere-and-nowhere crusaders, but they're not. They're a bunch of losers and man-children who, until recently, didn't attract enough attention to be worth taking down. That may be changing.

        • Yeah, they're probably just male twenty-thirtysomethings who're in it for excitement, like it seems most every member of a hacking group throughout history. I've studied this a bit, and it's fascinating how similar their behaviour seems to be.

          And if they're "internet-based" (eg, accepting members from online) you could infiltrate them. Warrants probably woudn't be as effective, though, since you need the jurisdiction involved to cooperate. And you're basically still relying on the attacker to make a mistak
    • I'm more concerned with what happens when the so-far-silent majority decides they are a threat and does something. It can only mean another step on the road to Treacherous Computing.

    • by xenopain (1153495)
      How much traction do you think their actions will get if they do that?
      • Interesting point, but if we're talking about a small and competent hacker group, they technically wouldn't need "traction" to operate. They'd need motivation, though. Then the question is, what motivates them?

        If they're normal human beings they'd stop when the damage of their actions wasn't outweighed by their perception of "greater good"/"the target had it coming".
    • They've been getting arrested. [google.com] The law moves relatively slowly, but if they keep hacking different sites, eventually they will get caught. Just like the Washington DC sniper [wikipedia.org].....sure, one snipe and he got away with it, but when he kept doing it, he got caught. And my guess is they will keep doing it, because excitement is addicting and intoxicating.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Anonymous hardly does any harm.
      They are only effective because the public reacts to their actions.

      For example, Anonymous helped the revolution in Tunisia to happen. On their own, Anonymous were useless, but the Tunisians reacted to what Anonymous did and this fueled the revolution.
      Anonymous is effective because the population gets angry at the government or the population realizes the government is in reality weak and powerless ("The government failed miserably at protecting itself from HACKERS - what the h

    • Is no one else concerned with the fact that these guys get to do whatever they want, to whom ever they want, and there are no repercussions? I understand the way Anonymous works, it's difficult to track these people down. But you can't tell me that with the recent trend in public hacks that many of them aren't performed by the same group of people. Anonymous doesn't have any type of real leadership, and there has never been a very active group of core members, it's more or less "hey we're going to attack this site" and then a bunch of basement dwellers rise up and start DDoS'ing. After they get bored they leave and move on.. But many of these recent attacks have seemed more organized than previous Anonymous doings. Are people not concerned with their actions? I understand that so far they've been doing things that people can agree with "LOLSONYREVIL" "TURKEYCENSORINTERNETS" and blah blah. But the more attention we give them, the bolder they're going to become.. what happens when they decide that they want to fuck with the US or the some major company in the States.. I don't think people will be quite so willing to wave off their actions then.

      I hear you brother! And I'd be with you too, but, but - all those young people flaunting their youth, and all those women flaunting their their, um, attractiveness, and all those successful people flaunting their success, and all those people doing things and thinking and standing up to the pricks and threatening the bullies. Oh I'm with you brother - if we don't stop this now people *will* walk on my lawn.

      Dick

  • How big of a pipe does a country like Turkey really have?

    • Turkey is a G20 member, and has higher GDP than most EU countries (if it were a EU member, it'd rank 7th, above Sweden, Finland and Denmark).

      • The GDP per capita however would be 2nd from the bottom, between Bulgaria and Romania (source: wikipedia).
        • Yeah, GDP is capita is how rich the populace is (very roughly speaking). Total GDP is how rich the country as a whole is. So, speaking of "how big of a pipe does Turkey have", GDP is the relevant metric.

          • by Patron (2242336)
            You're right, I was just a little confused with your comparison. I was just thinking that GDP per capita would be then be more relevant since Turkey has more than 3 times the population than Sweden, Finland and Denmark combined. Now Poland on the other hand is roughly half as large, populated and "rich" compared to Turkey.
      • by arisvega (1414195)

        if it were a EU member, it'd rank 7th

        I hardly think so, especially in the longrun.

        If it were an EU member, there would be very many standards and procedures it would have to comply with. Labor would not be that cheap, child labor would be banned, running factories would be much more expensive and complicated (and less dangerous for the workers), specialized positions would demand degrees, so overall production costs would be much higher. Since Turkey ranks near to last on technology research for the "western" nation it is supposed to be, it wo

    • by Ihmhi (1206036)

      Looks about [hubimg.com] five or six inches long.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They also block sites that mention the fact that Ataturk was homosexual. (Ataturk is founder of the nation)
    They think that is a blemish on the nation so they stick their head in the sand. it is why they have blocked youtube a couple of times for example.

  • by FudRucker (866063) on Saturday June 11, 2011 @05:17PM (#36413424)
    giving shelter to Syrian citizens (refugees) from the persecution from the Syrian government & military right now...
    • by Ihmhi (1206036)

      Yes, and America drops food after we bomb the shit out of an area. No matter how desperately these people need the food, it doesn't make up for the bombing.

    • by arisvega (1414195)

      giving shelter to Syrian citizens

      Last time they did that was when Israel attacked the Lebanese population, and Syrians thought they were next- the queues of Syrians outside of Turkish embassies were enormous, and the "solution" the Turkish administration came up with was simple: fifty euros a head per visa. Not that good considering the typical size of a Syrian family. Do they still sound "nice enough" to you?

  • at first I Hoped it was because of turkey's continued denial of the Armenian Genocide.
  • How dare Turkey decide it has the power to decide what websites people should and shouldn't be allowed to visit and then deliberately block people from visiting unapproved websites... ...Only Anonymous is allowed to do that.

  • Every time you find an Anonymous person. You cut them apart, with power tools on television. I mean it's all fun and games when you go after pussies who run banks and movie studios in the US but countries like Turkey or Russia's grasp of 'due process' is abstract, at best.

    There's going to be a new reality show on tv - 'Pressure Drop', where they just take nerds and kick them out the helicopter.

    And I'm ok with that.

    • Every time you find an Anonymous person. You cut them apart, with power tools on television. I mean it's all fun and games when you go after pussies who run banks and movie studios in the US but countries like Turkey or Russia's grasp of 'due process' is abstract, at best.

      There's going to be a new reality show on tv - 'Pressure Drop', where they just take nerds and kick them out the helicopter.

      And I'm ok with that.

      Oh come now, we all see through your thinly veiled attempts to prove you are not a leader of Anonymous; Your overly outrageous statements actually support this view.

      How do you explain the fact that many Anonymous members claim that they were secretly taking direction from you!?

      You will be punished for your crimes against no one in particular!

  • ... called "Anonymous". A group is defined as not only people sharing the same motives and taking concurrent actions, but also some "working together" routine, organization, and structure.

    All of this is missing in Anonymous; it's more like a swarm, then a group.

    This critic is similar to that one could state against the idea of having a "Anonymous Leader" arrested in Spain.

    There is no defined leader in a swarm of birds, as they are not really a group; they just coincidently fly together into the same directi

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