Judge Finds Cisco, US Authorities Deceived Canadian Courts 165
djmurdoch writes "The Vancouver Sun reports that 'The giant computer company Cisco and US prosecutors deceived Canadian authorities and courts in a massive abuse of process to have a former executive thrown in jail, says a B.C. Supreme Court judge.' Peter Adelkeye was arrested last year as he was testifying in a special hearing in Vancouver. It turns out he was there because US authorities would not grant him permission to enter the US to testify in a civil case between him and Cisco. The Canadian judge said that almost nothing in the US Attorney's letter was true, and has overturned his extradition order. Slashdot discussed this case in April."
Re:Soon to be jailed (Score:4, Interesting)
I love my country (Score:4, Interesting)
but hate my government. "If it were possible, we would have no government. It is only for the protection of our rights that we resort to government at all." - Jefferson. Nowadays it seems the government is more interested in protecting the Non-human Corporations rather than the People.
Perhaps it is time to call a Constitutional Convention and revert to the Articles of Confederation again - a Union of States, rather than an out-of-control central authority that acts as if it has unbounded power.
how much was actually done by the US gov't? (Score:4, Interesting)
Take five minutes (Score:4, Interesting)
It'll only take you five minutes. Get the email address for the other big ISP you don't use. (In Chicago, for example, if you use Comcast, email AT&T, if you use AT&T, email Comcast.) Tell them the reason you don't use them is that they use Cisco gear and that you don't support the supporters of corporate malfeasance. Tell them to email you when they've eliminated Cisco gear from their network.
You can protest to Cisco to change their ways all you like, and they won't give a crap. But if AT&T tells them to clean up their act, or QWEST, or Comcast or COX, etc, they'll listen.
Different expectations of Govt (Score:4, Interesting)
No surprise at the ruling -- why _wouldn't_ Cisco have a US govt Attorney in its' pocket? Why would a Fed respect the some foreign court any more than a US State court?
Having lived for multiple adult decades on both sides of the Canada-US border, I can say they might look alike and speak close to the same language, but the two nations are really very different:
The US is run by elected officals who are basically empowered uniquely by their election and feel they can do whatever they want, with highly variable respect for the US Constitution (some think it should be pushed, a few are very strict).
Canada is an elected dictatorship, basically devoid of checks and balances, with legislatures totally dependant on the executive, and highly subordinate courts. But they don't run the country, the civil service does and they are loyal to The Crown, not
elected office-holders. There, something to offend everyone.
Of course there's lots of cross-over -- mostly by Canada picking up US institutions, like the Charter of Rights & Freedoms, and a Supreme Court that sometimes enforces it, "notwithstanding". The US Civil Service has also grown tremendously, and it rather tired of all the switching political appointees, so becomes more rule-bound and apolitical, where the armed services have led.
I saw this one a mile away (Score:4, Interesting)
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2094166&cid=35892994 [slashdot.org]
Did Cisco "fabricate evidence"? In other words, did they make claims that were later repeated by the US government's law enforcement people?
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2094166&cid=35893892 [slashdot.org]
And at the time of the article, the evidence hadn't even been presented to Canadian officials.
And now, when claims were finally presented, they turned out to not have any merit. I am not surprised that they could not produce the evidence they claimed to have had. This is more of the same "government interference at the request of business" that we have been seeing a LOT of lately. Most of the time it has been the oil, GM foods, pharmaceutical and entertainment industries that pushed government into interfering with governments and affairs of other nations. Now it's Cisco... next, I suspect, it will be Microsoft. (After all, the EU is not quite done with Microsoft's legal cases...)
Canada now had additional reason not to trust in and support the US government or the US companies that influence Canadian law. I hope Canada and other countries wake up to this and stop bowing to US demands the way they have.
Re:Soon to be jailed (Score:3, Interesting)
That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen on /., when governments and corporations consistently obfuscate, spin, propagandize and outright lie it is not a, "weak feeble mind" that doesn't trust the liars. For example you cherry pick the most ridiculous sounding theories and try to paint everyone with the same brush, that is part of the propaganda ploy to silence all who don't buy the "party line".
The reality is that intelligent people question the facts when they don't add up and learn from experience. When dealing with pathological liars we tend not to trust the things they say. Based on past performance such as Operation Mockingbird, COINTELPRO and so on the government of the US engages in premeditated propaganda techniques to control it's own citizens. Maybe before getting all sanctimonious you should avail yourself of the government commission findings that are freely available. There is also quite a bit of evidence recently of the government conspiring with corporations to help the corporations, even at the expense of the people. It has become so commonplace that they do not even bother to hide it most of the time nowadays. In this instance we have the finding of a court of law that the US DOJ conspired with a corporation, in violation of the normal standards of law in the western world, to silence opposition to shady or outright illegal practices that the company was indulging in for profit. So it takes a really weak mind to blame "conspiracy theorists" when the evidence in sitting there in your face.