77 Million Accounts Stolen From Playstation Network 645
Runaway1956 was one of many users to continue to update us about the intrusion we've been following this week.
"Sony is warning its millions of PlayStation Network users to watch out for identity-theft scams after hackers breached its security and plundered the user names, passwords, addresses, birth dates, and other information used to register accounts. Sony's stunning admission came six days after the PlayStation Network was taken down following what the company described as an 'external intrusion'. The stolen information may also include payment-card data, purchase history, billing addresses, and security answers used to change passwords, Sony said on Tuesday. The company plans to keep the hacked system offline for the time being, and to restore services gradually. The advisory also applies to users of Sony's related Qriocity network."
passwords? (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously? They were storing passwords in a way that could be unencrypted?
Re:Unencrypted = Stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
Why are you surprised that big companies would do stupid things? Particularly one who thought that installing rootkits on peoples' computers when they played a CD was a pretty darn cool idea?
Fallout (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:passwords? (Score:5, Insightful)
This seems like an amateur mistake. Who are these companies hiring lately?
The lowest bidder?
undivided attention of Anonymous (Score:5, Insightful)
Stolen? (Score:2, Insightful)
Was the sensitive information deleted from Sony's system, denying them access to it? If not, how is that stealing? I thought the People of Slashdot were against calling it "stealing" when information is merely duplicated without taking access away from the original holder?
Re:passwords? (Score:5, Insightful)
As a previously happy PS3 user, I'm infuriated at their shoddy handling of this whole thing. The delay in notifying customers was inexcusable, and I still don't understand how passwords could have been compromised... I refuse to believe that even Sony would have stored them in plaintext. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they were stored in hashes but Sony is concerned that the hashed passwords are subject to brute force attacks. I spent a good chunk of last night changing all my online passwords that were the same as the one used in my PS3 account, and that meant dozens of accounts. (Thank goodness none of them were bank-related.) I guess that I should have moved to a system of unique passwords for each site before, and this finally forced me to do it.
I am struggling to find a bright spot anywhere in this, but if I were to find one it would be that Sony must understand how badly they have pooched this situation. I would expect some serious mea culpas and free crap out of them (like free PlayStation Plus for a year or something) out of this. I don't know whether I actually want that, but it should be interesting to watch them grovel for my online trust and/or business back.
Re:Firmware (Score:5, Insightful)
If their online systems' security depends on all clients playing by a specific set of rules, it is Broken.(even barring custom firmware, PS3s communicate over the internet via reasonably normal protocols, so it isn't as though the public-facing infrastructure was ever invisible to PCs running whatever people wanted them to run).
Especially for something as large and potentially valuable as 77 million accounts, many with cards on file, there would just be no way that you could make the client secure enough to serve as a trusted part of your security system: your pirate will give up if you can't flash a firmware in software or do a relatively simple mod-chip install. A more serious hacker might be willing do dump some ROMs, if possible, maybe snoop bus traces if they can get to them, install mod chips that require SMT skills, etc. For 77 million accounts, though, you have to consider the possibility that somebody would commission a serious forensic teardown of your system, decapping, microscopes, and the lot.
Makes you wonder... (Score:5, Insightful)
In a world with plenty of well understood crypto schemes like public-private key systems where you can prove yourself without a shared secret... why the hell do we trust so much of our wealth with a trivial to see/copy account number being tossed around like crazy?
Re:passwords? (Score:5, Insightful)
And people wonder why so many on-line accounts are set up with completely bogus information.
Why should I be providing all of this information to play *(&^%*&^ video games? This is precisely why I don't give most companies this information -- because I don't trust them with it. Not to keep it safe, not to use it as they say, and not to provide it to someone else.
Re:Might not be bad... (Score:4, Insightful)
If the password is stored 'in the clear' on the server side and treat the password as a shared secret, then *if* you design the authentication right, you render man in the middle infeasible with the tradeoff of storage attack being a large exposure.
And why couldn't a hash of the password be used as a shared secret? As long as the client can do the hashing, I see no reason the hash couldn't be used in place of the original password.
As a potential answer to my own question, maybe they wanted to make sure their log in form would work on a web browser without scripting.
Re:I guess I didnt miss much (Score:3, Insightful)
You don't really sound like you've played the game, the way you talk about it makes it sound very serious. You don't actually have to kill innocent bystanders unless you want to, just the same as real life. Many missions call for you killing people, but what do you expect in a game about gangsters? Actually, you don't even have to do the killing missions if you don't want to.. you could just be a taxi driver, paramedic, or firefighter if you really wanted to just be super-good all the time.
Re:passwords? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not only did I use a unique email address and password for my PSN account (not used for anything else), I gave intentionally dishonest answers to the secondary security question (and wrote them down), an intentionally dishonest DOB and the only purchases I made were made with a debit card I got as a gift.
I feel like a genius.
Re:Credit card numbers WERE taken too (Score:4, Insightful)
The CVV or CV2 codes aren't required to make purchases in all places. Yes, for most cards you aren't liable for fraudulent purchases, but the money has to come from some where so the credit card companies end up taking a hit and they raise their rates. Besides if you know your card number might have been stolen and don't report it, you might end up having to pay for fraudulent charges since at that point it's basically your fault for not telling the credit card company.
More importantly, the hackers also have your name, address and birth date. That information is nearly enough info, combined with the credit card information, to have your card canceled and another one issued to them. They could initiate a USPS change of address (since they have your name and address) to wherever they want, call your credit card company to have a new card sent out and then simply activate that card when they get it.
It's much easier to preemptively have your credit card company reissue a card now, then try and go clean up a much more complicated mess in the future. That's what I did and my credit card company said that was a smart move on my part.
That's it? "Sorry"? (Score:5, Insightful)
So, you peek into PS3 internals, you get slapped with lawsuits, police raids your home and they send army of lawyers after everyone.
Someone steals 77m accounts from Sony, all they have to say is basically...
Sorry?
Fuck you Sony.
Re:undivided attention of Anonymous (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Stolen? (Score:3, Insightful)
Also using another's identity most certainly can and does bring harm to the creator/originator of that identity.