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Microsoft To FTC: Don't Tell Us How Long To Retain User Data

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  • by mykos (1627575) on Sunday March 27, 2011 @06:07AM (#35628614)
    CIA wants them to store it for eternity. FTC wants them to get rid of it ASAP. Make up your mind, The Government!
    • CIA wants them to store it for eternity. FTC wants them to get rid of it ASAP. Make up your mind, The Government!

      There is no need to wonder whether the FTC rules would apply to the CIA or FBI or IRS or any other government agency. And don't bother worrying about it either, citizen, unless you have something to hide...

    • by mjwx (966435)

      CIA wants them to store it for eternity. FTC wants them to get rid of it ASAP. Make up your mind, The Government!

      Yes, the idea that the "gubbermint" is not some massively interconnected single entity which is hell bent on controlling all your lives and actually is a group of loosely connected group of small individual entities with their own needs and agenda's is uncomfortable to some people.

  • Back in the bad old days of apartheid, South African's white minority advocated that foreign companies follow a policy known as "constructive engagement" - it's pretty much analogous to what Microsoft is asking the FTC to do now with regards to user privacy.

    "Don't punish us, because we really REALLY intend to be good in the long run..."

  • by rolfwind (528248) on Sunday March 27, 2011 @06:33AM (#35628690)

    That's it, we're boned.

  • Translation: (Score:4, Insightful)

    by osu-neko (2604) on Sunday March 27, 2011 @06:40AM (#35628710)
    "We support privacy in principle, but oppose privacy in practice."
    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Sc4Freak (1479423)

      Which doesn't jive with the fact that Bing has a better privacy policy than Google. Bing anonymizes IP logs after 6 months. Google after 9 months.

      I believe the reason IPs are logged at all is because of a legal requirement - but I don't know exactly what that requirement is.

      • by AHuxley (892839)
        Australia tried to explain data retention via the European Convention on Cybercrime []
        "...under the convention, law enforcement agencies would approach an ISP with a certificate, requiring information pertaining to an individual to be retained until the agency can get a court order or warrant."
        Retention keeps your interesting ip safe and usable until a "court order" can be requested at some point.
        Soon they will just keep it all.
  • Doesn't Sorbanes-Oxley Act already prescribe how much and how long companies should keep electronic records? That is what they told me when our company implemented a bone-headed password change process.
    • by perlchild (582235)

      Those records apply to information generated inside the company, and to a lesser degree to customer information.

      ISP-type information is not specifically covered, as it is a special case.

  • by Trufagus (1803250) on Sunday March 27, 2011 @12:39PM (#35630578)

    I can be in favor of the gov protecting consumers, but I don't get what is so inherently evil about these companies storing the data that I give them for a long time.

    Typically, when I let them have the data I figured they would, at the very least, use it to pick which ads to show me and I really don't mind that.

    In my opinion, the real privacy problems lie elsewhere, e.g.
    - Selling or sharing my data without proper consent.
    - Collecting it without my consent.
    - 'Forcing' or tricking me into allowing them to collect my data. For example, if I agree to iTunes terms of service for the iPhone then I'm agreeing to let Apple collect data about my precise location. To me these are too unrelated, and I don't really have any choice.

    So, I think this issue is how they collect it and what they do with it, not how many years they store it.

    • Cost. All of that storage hardware and administrating its library costs money. They will simply pass the cost down to the consumer. YEY Goverment!!! **retarded clapping**

  • "Microsoft said it is committed to 'privacy by design'" == Empty talk

    "but thinks the Federal Trade Commission should use a light regulatory touch" == we are corporate whores that want to exploit people as much as we can

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