The Relationship Between FOSS and Democracy 239
An anonymous reader writes "Free software is about freedom. So it shouldn't be any surprise that the ideals behind the free software movement have spread to the place where freedom is most affected: government. The old definition of e-democracy is, basically, 'using computers in politics and governance.' So a politician sending out a batch e-mail is e-democracy. The new movement is about removing the power from politicians and making governance collaborative. The analogy to FOSS is remarkable: think of the current governments as the old guard computing companies, and the collaborative governance movement as the geeks with crazy notions of a different way of organizing things. FOSS looked like an impossible pipe-dream when it started. Tell that to the Apache group today."
Who's going to clean toilets and guard prisoners? (Score:4, Insightful)
Are we going to use Twitter and Facebook to arrange a schedule when we're going to all take turns guarding the prisoners, patching the roads, cleaning the sewers, and all that stuff that government does through that old-fashioned bureaucracy? I mean, we're "making governance collaborative," overthrowing the old-guy system of doing things, right? So from now on, we'll just send out a tweet when someone robs a bank, and handle the police work on it *collaboratively*.
Surely everyone is willing to do some actual *WORK*, right, instead of just lazily shooting your digital mouth off on a blackberry or iPad keyboard? Surely we all realize that *REAL* governance takes actual time and effort, no?
Wait, what is that? ...is that crickets I hear?
Re:Who's going to clean toilets and guard prisoner (Score:3, Insightful)
The "point" to me sounded like a bunch of bullshit cyberspeak about how the internet is going to turn government into a big drum circle where we all join hands and sing songs of peace and love.
It's the same shit we've been hearing since the mid-90's. And yet government today still seems the same bunch of douchebags, doing the same evil shit that it was before--only now politicians send out tweets instead of flyers.
Government is not about freedom (Score:5, Insightful)
You cannot fork government, you are not free to change to your liking; You cannot use a different government than your neighbor does, you are not free to pick.
The form of democracy used in most countries is everything but freedom. Sure, you are free to vote on some guy that might share opinions/thoughts/ideals, based on the propaganda they put out. But after that, the person you voted on has free play till the next elections. At that point, you handed over part of your freedom.
The new Slashdot broke something else. (Score:4, Insightful)
I know I had Politics turned off on my front page.
Did that get broken as well as the checking comments?
And in other ways... (Score:5, Insightful)
And in other ways, FOSS and democracy are opposites. The biggest aspect that pops into mind is force: nobody is forced to use FOSS against their wishes. FOSS is almost always compatible with proprietary implementations (that is, a proprietary implementation can re-implement whatever FOSS does). With democracy, there is always the tyranny of the majority: if 50% + 1 want something, everyone must go along by force. That strikes me much more like proprietary software than FOSS, where a single implementation is the only implementation (such as needing perfect MS Office compatibility).
FOSS is much more like liberty or anarchy than democracy. No one forces you to use FOSS, but you are free to do so.
Re:Government is not about freedom (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The "metagovernment" troll gets a story? (Score:3, Insightful)
Democracy:
Power of the Majority (i.e. white or German) to squash and exterminate the minority (i.e. black, Japanese, or jew). Is anyone thinks this "remove power from laws" is a good idea, then they truly don't understand what they are endorsing. Tyranny of the majority destroys human rights; it does not protect them.
See Athens. See what happened to Socrates (sentenced to death simply because the majority did not like him).
Re:The "metagovernment" troll gets a story? (Score:4, Insightful)
The alternative, our status quo, is to surrender all power to the corporate and political aristocracies. If there's sufficient money to keep the powerful in place, then those wielding those funds form the laws out of whole cloth.
In what way is this better?