Palin's E-Mail Hacker Imprisoned Against Judge's Wishes 502
Em Adespoton writes "It was a computer security story that made headlines around the world, involving the private emails of a woman who could have become Vice President of the United States. And now, it's ended with a young man sent to a federal prison, hundreds of miles from his family home. David C Kernell, the hacker who broke into Sarah Palin's personal Yahoo email account, is reported to have been sent to jail despite a judge's recommendation that he should not be put behind bars."
Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
"That is not the situation that his friends and family were hoping for, however."
No offense, but too fucking bad. Considering the state of our legal system, the guy was lucky to not get boned for the full four crimes he was initially charged with (which would have been a lot longer than just a year, by the way). He committed a crime, one that I personally feel has far-reaching effects as one's e-mail inbox should be considered fairly private. Yes, it was Sarah Palin, and I can't stand her either. Doesn't mean that this guy shouldn't be held accountable for his actions.
"The US Bureau of Prisons, however, has decided to make Mr Kernell serve out his term in the low-security prison camp nearly 300 miles from his home in Knoxville, Tennessee."
Seriously guys, when you're incarcerated, you don't have a choice which facility you will be housed in. The USBOP is obviously making an example out of this guy, and I can totally understand why. What I don't understand is why this article seems to be doing a lot of crying on behalf of Kernell. Don't commit the crime if you're going to whine all the way to prison. It's that simple.
Re:Not "hacked" (Score:1, Insightful)
Not even cracked. Please stop talking about this guy like he has some computer wiizardry - he guessed at recovery questions. If I leave a riddle taped to my safe that gives the combo when solved, how angry can I be when somebody figures it out?
If my car has only a thin, brittle piece of glass protecting it from being entered into and driven off without my consent, how angry can I be when someone figures it out?
Bad analogy, meet car analogy. Hoyoooooo!
Palin was the one breaking the law... (Score:2, Insightful)
Palin was conducting government business in that personal yahoo email account. So what does she get for doing that?
This kid exposes her wrong doing and he goes to prison? Did we become soviet during the 2008 election?
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps they feel, as I do, that the punishment is out of proportion with the crime. Should he be punished? Yes, he should; he accessed email without permission. Maybe levy a hefty fine; no one was physically harmed or deprived of property, and he is no danger to society. As such, he doesn't deserve being locked away in a hole with more dangerous individuals.
Re:Not "hacked" (Score:5, Insightful)
was there a pizza in the car?
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's probably because of this:
BBC News, however, reports [bbc.co.uk] that US government officials have intervened, and Kernell has begun serving time at federal correctional institute in Ashland, Kentucky.
When most people think of an ideal criminal justice system, they think of judges and juries, not government officials. This system does not seem to be a well-oiled machine:
The BOP is not bound by judicial recommendations, one legal expert said federal sentencing was often "arbitrary". "The judge can give either incarceration or probation, but if it's incarceration the state gives power to the Bureau of Prisons to determine the nature of incarceration," said Professor Robert Weisberg, director of the criminal justice center at Stanford University in California. "There is not a general or uniform US rule," he added. "There is huge local variation."
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:0, Insightful)
I'm curious how long until he "commits suicide" or keeps getting shuffled around in the prison system until he disappears, or worse, they keep extending his sentence for minor things, until it's his entire lifetime.
The republicans support the prison system, and he fucked with a republican candidate.
He's not leaving prison any time soon, and he will likely never see the light of day again.
expect this to become common, soon it will happen when you speak against any candidate with any amount of political power.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I see it the other way around, for such a crime to deserve a prison sentence it should be much more severe. Guessing someones password to yahoo mail, does not seem like a severe crime to me, if anything Sarah Palin should be schooled on password security and disciplined for sharing sensitive information over yahoo of all things. I work for a bank, and if i had emails on yahoo related to my work and got caught, i would be dismissed, end of story.
Making examples of people just because they have upset a celebrity figure is barbarian and i'm glad i'm not an American if this sort of thing is acceptable there. Where i come from everyone is equal, a crime against a politician holds the same weight as a crime against your average citizen.
Punishment - Crime (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Not "hacked" (Score:4, Insightful)
It's more like having a spare key taped to the sub-frame. Her 'security questions' all had answers that were public information.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me preface this by saying that the guy was an idiot and had absolutely no right to go reading someone else's email. He deserves some form of punishment. The legal system is supposed to be fair and consistent, however, and that does not in any way appear to be the case here. Take a look at a few other crimes [toothpicks.org] which have been treated equally harshly.
Seriously guys, when you're incarcerated, you don't have a choice which facility you will be housed in.
Sure you don't get a say, but I find it a little surprising that the judge's recommendation was ignored.
The USBOP is obviously making an example out of this guy, and I can totally understand why. What I don't understand is why this article seems to be doing a lot of crying on behalf of Kernell. Don't commit the crime if you're going to whine all the way to prison. It's that simple.
The fact that they are making an example of him seems to reinforce the view that an individual invading the privacy of a political figure is somehow worse than the reversed situation. Sounds like a very bad message to be sending, to me.
Re:Not "hacked" (Score:3, Insightful)
Not what I said. But if somebody robs my house if I leave it unlocked for a week while away, and I tell them "a maaster robber took my stuff", I'll get some funny looks.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:1, Insightful)
However what is being missed here completely by all this drama is that Sarah Palin had government related emails in her personal mail box. Now under US law this is highly illegal as all government related emails must pass via the public system so that it can be monitored.
This guy broke in to her email, found emails relating to her work which by law should not have been there and suddenly there is a massive circus and he goes to prison. This is just another case of the government using a scape goat to hide the fact that a government official was doing something they should not.
Also he did not HACK it, that would imply some skill, he simply answered the secret question and got the password reset. His fail was that he used a Proxy that was known to give up private details if requested by the government.
Now finally in closing, I agree he did something wrong, however if this had been done to a normal person no one would have cared. The reason for the media circus was/is to take the light off the fact that Sarah is talking to other government members via private email so that it stays off the audit trail.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:3, Insightful)
You seriously think some kid breaking into someone's e-mail is a danger to society? Basically you're equating it to a violent crime where they need to be locked away.
Your attitude it precisely what's wrong with the US justice system. Why don't we try to rehabilitate people? Even the lightest punishment would be enough to teach this kid his lesson. Give him probation and community service and he will probably never hack anything again in his life. I don't want to pay to keep him locked up in a prison for something that could be taken care of a lot easier, without the brutal punishment of the federal pen.
Sure, habitual offenders might need something a little more tough but in this case we're talking about someone who never broke any laws before.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
This.
Most people argue that the prison system is to seperate the dangerous individuals from society. This guy is not a danger to society, no one is in danger of getting hurt. Put him on Parole for 2-4 years with community service where all his network access has to be reviewed by a parole officer. Long reaching, annoying punishment, that contributes back to society instead of sapping money.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Net gain to society? WTF. Are we advocating low impact crimes to help society? I can see some PSA's now - "Forget Jobcorps, come hack email accounts with us and help your community!"
This line of thinking also states for future potential crimelords that if you hack into email, your time is a walk in the park. If there is no deterrent then what is the point of the criminal justice system?
Wow, way to completely miss the point. Read sentences much? He meant that the COMMUNITY SERVICE was a net gain for society, since the perp has to do something productive to earn his forgiveness, instead of being locked up and supported by taxpayers.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:2, Insightful)
I see it the other way around, for such a crime to deserve a prison sentence it should be much more severe. Guessing someones password to yahoo mail, does not seem like a severe crime to me
The strength of a password has no bearing on the severity of the crime. kicking in a deadbolt and breaking a window to get in a house are both breaking and entering. Nobody ever suggests a homeowner should have nothing but concrete block walls.
Making examples of people just because they have upset a celebrity figure is barbarian and i'm glad i'm not an American if this sort of thing is acceptable there. Where i come from everyone is equal, a crime against a politician holds the same weight as a crime against your average citizen.
Where are you from? Antarctica?
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, he was dumber than that. He was dumb enough to leave identifying information in the screencap [encycloped...matica.com] (screencap is SFW, some of the ads are NSFW) he took.
By leaving the URL visible, it didn't matter how many proxies he was behind. There was a clear chain of evidence linking him to The Incident. Unsurprisingly, the Party Van showed up, and the rest is history.
Anonymous is legion, but on occasion, some Anonymous are very, very stupid. When Anonymous ceases to be anonymous, Anonymous thinks it's pretty funny.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
The reality is that the US prison system is formed around the principle of punishment. If threat isolation was the primary motivation, our prison system would look much different than it does.
The system we have is descended from the mode of Christian thought that when a sin(crime) is committed, penance.is needed in order to make the person right with God. So, the prison system is set up as a kind of forced penance through societal punishment, This is why we still have the death penalty, too, while most other developed countries do not.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
This is very much a case of a commoner being dealt a disproportionally harsh punishment because the victim is part of the ruling class.
And Sarah Palin didn't even get a slap on the wrist for using her private email to shield government business from public scrutiny.
I remember September 2008, wasn't this the time wall street bankers nearly crashed the world economy? Anybody charged, convicted or sitting in a federal prison yet?
The system works.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
if anything Sarah Palin should be schooled on password security and disciplined for sharing sensitive information over yahoo...
I had a neighbor that was robbed. However, like many crooks, these guys were none too smart and got caught. They tried to defend their actions by claiming that the victim had left a window unlocked and therefore deserved to get robbed...
Your argument sounds a lot like that...
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Then 'most people' need to get their heads out of clouds and learn a) the difference between an 'ideal' system and one that must function in the real world, and b) how the real systems works. (And it actually does work very well.)
Not to mention the summary and article are vastly misleading - if you read just the summary or the first part of the article, you'll be wrongly outraged. The truth of the matter is, he was sentenced to imprisonment and (drum roll please!) he was duly imprisoned. The judge's recommendations ('wishes') that he spend his time in a half way house have zero legal force or standing. The only 'intervention' by the 'officials' was to obey the (legally binding) result and sentence handed down by the court.
Re:It's for his own protection... (Score:4, Insightful)
Ahh, there's the speculation that's ruining objective journalism!
Where's any proof at all that she was shot as a result of the Palin map?
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
"no one was physically harmed or deprived of property, and he is no danger to society."
Ok, so what in fact DID he do?
- Violated someone's privacy. This is a harm, and if you think emotional harm is not as intense as physical harm, I encourage you to say that out loud. You are wrong on that count.
- Oh, and this required the McCain/Aplin campaign to suspend use of email for a short period to reestablish security. How short a time? At the moment, even an hour could have had consequences. How about you giving up your email address and having all of your contacts notified of your new address. Much trouble for you?
- HIPAA violations carry penalties also. Do we want to start qualifying the nature of the privacy violation? No, you don't want to do that.
- Remember, his father was active in Democratic Party politics, he disclosed a fair amount of private information, and this was done at the 'height of the 2008 Presidential campaign'. This was not a random act of identity theft. Oh, and he did send stuff to Wikileaks. I'm not blaming Julian for publishing that, that's a separate issue, but Mr. Kennell knew what he waa doing, and it had an impact.
Oh, and to add to my concern that we are not properly understanding the FBOP decision, the judge recommended that this young man spend his time in a 'halfway house'. Besides the reality that he would have been in a 'halfway house' with 'more dangerous individuals' (a qualitative assessment I'm not qualified to make), that is not the result required by Federal law. The law specifices incarceration, and perhaps FBOP decided that this convict should first serve time in an actual facility, and then qualify for the relaxed status, as other convict have to. Or more succinctly, like any other convict, he does time like they do, special treatment is unwarranted.
Perhaps the judge should have sentenced him to probation? But that would open the judge to criticism of being improperly lenient, which is he is now getting a full dose of.
A lot of the responses questioning the DBOP decision seem to be focused on minimizing this young man's crime based on his age, naivete, and *apparent* lack of harm caused. For those of you who forgot, some of the impacts of his actions:
- 'Abusive' phone calls to most of the Palin family.
- Disclosure of other email addresses against the wishes of those owners.
- Disruption of communications with family, friends, co-workers, campaign staff.
This whining is another case of minimizing a 'soft' crime. Not much different from trying to excuse any number of crimes committed by young individuals, primarily based on their age. Be careful. The next victim could be you. Will you be forgiving based soley on their age?
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:3, Insightful)
If he had hacked in to his neighbour's Yahoo! account and posted those details everywhere, his neighbour might not even find out because there would likely be no interested partisans wishing to harass him or his family. However, when you post private details of a famous person, the amount of interest goes up, and the harm follows the interest. A lot of people disagree with Palin, and, in any group of some size, there are wackos who take it too far, and that's what happened here. Wackos got hold of the information and started harassing Palin and/or her family.
It's about the same reason why a DUI gets a lesser punishment than a DUI-causing-bodily harm which gets a lesser punishment than a DUI-causing-death. It's simple: the harm is different, thus the punishment is different.
Should Palin be required to better secure her email? Of course. Her handlers are somewhat to blame here - much like Obama, I don't expect either of them to be IT experts, but I expect that they have some on staff. However, being large targets, with sufficient pools of wackos opposed to them, it's merely a matter of time before web-based email gets hacked for either one of them, regardless of the strength of their passwords or reminder questions/answers. In Obama's case, his accounts merely need to survive his one-or-two terms in office, then interest will wane. Palin's weak security just allowed it to happen faster.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that it's gone far from some idea of penance. It seems that it's merely about retribution, a model of justice that serves no one.
I take that back; it does serve a few; the prisons and police get large amounts of taxpayer money, and the prosecutors and politicians get their "tough on crime" bona fides. The rest of us, though, suffer.
Re:Too fucking bad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that they are making an example of him seems to reinforce the view that an individual invading the privacy of a political figure is somehow worse than the reversed situation. Sounds like a very bad message to be sending, to me.
That's precisely the problem. I doubt I could get the cops to even talk to me if I said someone hacked my account. We have a case of a bad divorce and a guy reading his wife's email getting a felony conviction. I wonder just who her daddy is.
When justice is not applied equally and fairly, we have a serious problem. Someone steals my car, the cops aren't likely to ever catch him. Someone steals Palin's car, he's probably going to get 20 years in supermax.