Spanish Congress Rejects Internet Censorship Law 229
TuringTest writes "A commission of the Spanish Congress has rejected a law that allowed the closure of web sites that provide unauthorized downloads. The government couldn't reach enough support from its allies, not because they opposed the law in principle, but because of the way it was redacted and the lack of negotiation. Recently the Spanish Senate rejected a law on net neutrality. Also the Wikileaks cables disclosed pressure from the USA on the Spanish government to pass a law to reduce Internet sharing of music and media, which is legal in Spain."
pressure from the USA on the Spanish government (Score:5, Insightful)
to pass a law to reduce Internet sharing of music and media, which is legal in Spain
see how that filth works ? this is precisely why they are trying to take down wikileaks. because it exposes what filth they are doing.
Re:Spain beats with a fascist heart (Score:1, Insightful)
Also worthy of note is the fact that Air Traffic Controllers simply walked out on their jobs at 1700 hours, while planes were STILL in the air, which is a grave offense worthy of jail in itself for criminal negligence. They could have done things a lot differently to gain Joe Citizen's sympathy for their cause, instead they chose to act the way they did. And to further compound mathers a few days later some air controller lady came on national media whinging that she was being treated as a slave and had worked a huge number of hours the preceding month -- I really can't recall the number, but something in the region of 160, I think -- but failled to mention her paycheck for that very same month was almost 17.000 euro. Which is, frankly, a lot, even more so considering the average wage most spanish workers make, and the fact there's like 20% unemployment in Spain right now.
I'm not spanish, but I do live in Spain, and I think most ATC's are douchebags -- yes, they work lots of hours but so do I and everyone I know in the IT field, or even my wife, who is an university teacher. The difference is none of us get payed 17.000 euro every month. If they don't like what they're doing, go do something else, no one's forcing you to be an air traffic controller. You can't have your cake (less stressful, less demanding, less hours type of job) and eat it too (huge salary).
Not to mention the impact their strike had on the already fragile spanish economy, which is even more irresponsible. If they keep pulling stuff like that, soon they'll be affecting other people's jobs as well.
Re:Spain beats with a fascist heart (Score:4, Insightful)
No, they didn't simply all walk out at 1700, but nice toeing of the government line. There was a gradual cessation of operations and not one flight was put in danger. This doesn't mean that what they did was the best way to go about things, and it might have been against their terms of employment and open them up to civil action, but none of this justifies forcing them to work.
. The difference is none of us get payed 17.000 euro every month.
Ah, so your argument comes down to, "You're paid more than me so I get to impose slavery on you when I like without warning!" If you want to campaign for fairer salaries, that's absolutely reasonable, but your method is probably the worst way imaginable. Sigh, Spain's in for a dark few years.
If they don't like what they're doing, go do something else, no one's forcing you to be an air traffic controller.
So they should stop "being an ATC" if they don't like it, but it's okay when they actually stop for them to be forced back to work?
I fear that any censorship/Copyright law is going to be defeated not because it's immoral but because of the twisted envy displayed above, which means any defeat is temporary and depends on either bribing the electorate or waiting a few years.
Re:packing my bags ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:packing my bags ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Good luck getting a job there.
Re:Spain beats with a fascist heart (Score:5, Insightful)
1. I disagree that doctors and electricity generation staff shouldn't be allowed (through criminal law) to strike. If you get to the point where the only reason they're doing the job is because of the gun pointed at their head, you've already lost the point entirely. Regardless, you don't apply martial law to stop strikes: if you want to militarise some profession, which is effectively what you're doing when you make striking illegal, you do it in advance and make sure every worker has provided informed consent.
2. Are you asking who the controllers are working for? AENA is government-owned but the straw which broke the camel's back was the proposal to privatise.
3. Well, getting paid more doesn't make you immune to tiredness and the harm to conentration caused by working excessive hours. Nor does getting paid a lot mean you should lose the right to negotiate or to strike. You as voter are welcome to petition the government as employer to reduce air traffic controller wages, because the solution to hearing that a worker gets paid too much (as opposed to all the useless bureaucrats and bankers who gain ten times as much and are of no social benefit) is to make sure he suffers as much as you. Regardless, you're not welcome to enslave the air traffic controllers because you're bitter that they get paid more than you.
4. Quite.
Some people prefer other freedoms (Score:5, Insightful)
Sometimes two different 'freedoms' may clash. It looks like Spanish people feel that it is better to be free of the fear of huge amounts of guns on their streets than the freedom for the majority of citizens to carry guns on their streets.
I've lived in Europe for 40 years and never once have I thought "I'd feel safer walking to the shops if I had a gun on me or knowing that lots of these other people walking around on the streets had guns on them".
Re:Some people prefer other freedoms (Score:5, Insightful)
The right to bear arms is to protect yourself from the government, not from the riffraff.
Regardless of whether it works or not in this day and age, that is the reason for the right.