DHS Seized Domains Based On Bad Evidence 235
An anonymous reader writes "Back over Thanksgiving, the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement unit (ICE) made a lot of news by seizing over 80 domain names. While many of these involved sites that sold counterfeit products, five of the domains involved copyright issues. Four of them involved hiphop-related blogs — including ones that hiphop stars like Kanye West and others used to promote their own works, and the last one was a meta search engine that simply aggregated other search engines. Weeks went by without the owners of those sites even being told why their domains were seized, but the affidavit for the seizure of those five sites has recently come out, and it's full of all sorts of problems. Not only was it put together by a recent college graduate, who claimed that merely linking to news and blog posts about file sharing constituted evidence of copyright infringement, it listed as evidence of infringement songs that labels specifically sent these blogs to promote. Also, what becomes clear is that the MPAA was instrumental in 'guiding' ICE's rookie agent in going after these sites, as that appeared to be the only outside expertise relied on in determining if these sites should be seized."
Cops lie (Score:2, Insightful)
Cops lie. News AT 11. Cry me a river.
Re:Healthcare (Score:2, Insightful)
Wait until there's a law that requires all Internet activity be made after logging into your ISP via some sort of government issued biometric scanner. As they say with driving; it's a privilege, not a right. As for all the problems that would cause? Suck it up cupcake! That's your problem, not theirs.
Expose the graduate (Score:3, Insightful)
I want to know the identity of this rookie college moron.
I also want to know which college trained him, so I can make sure to tell everybody to avoid that garbage establishment.
Next, since this was based upon false evidence, I want to see him, and those responsible for handling him, sued into oblivion.
This shit is getting to a breaking point.
Larger Scale Than One Agent (Score:5, Insightful)
The agent also said the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America, the trade groups for the major film studios and record labels, had confirmed that the music and movies on the sites had not been released with the authorization of their copyright holders.
Yeah, after some poking around I found PROTECTING U.S. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OVERSEAS: THE JOINT STRATEGIC PLAN AND BEYOND [ice.gov] presented to a House of Representatives committee. In it they talk about the sting and the lengthy history of their actions:
We worked with many different agencies - including CBP, DOJ’s Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section (CCIPS) and the Government of Mexico’s Treasury and Customs – and industry, including the Recording Industry Association of American (RIAA), to target importers and distributors of counterfeit goods. This operation was specifically timed to coincide with U.S. and Mexican consumers’ increased purchasing during the winter holiday season.
Then later:
Representatives from the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and RIAA assisted participating customs authorities with focused training, targeting and analyses of certain interdicted parcels. This operation was specifically timed by the IPR Center to coincide with the movie industry’s summer releases, when the biggest blockbusters are illegally recorded, reproduced on DVDs, shipped around the world and sold on street corners and in other markets.
There's plenty of interesting tidbits in this lengthy document about how everybody's getting involved -- even China [wired.com]:
ICE previously worked with China in September 2003 when ICE initiated Operation Spring, a joint IPR investigation by ICE agents and Chinese authorities that resulted in the extradition and conviction of DVD pirate Randolph Guthrie, who was sentenced to 48 months incarceration and ordered to repay $878,793 in restitution to the MPAA.
And the American sports associations:
Earlier this year, the IPR Center partnered with the NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA, industry and local law enforcement to conduct operations targeting counterfeit sports merchandise sold during the Super Bowl, NBA All-Star Game, Stanley Cup championship, and NCAA Final Four and Frozen Four tournaments. These operations resulted in seizures of over 14,000 counterfeit items valued at more than $760,000.
Personally I hope DHS and ICE get their asses handed to them over the music blogs. Turn that into freedom of speech and take those bastards to the cleaners. They aren't going to learn their lesson if this is just a court case that exonerates the defendant and I hope the defendants have enough cash to to fight back, or seek help from the EFF.
The frequency of these MPAA/RIAA related stings is really [ice.gov] ramping up [ice.gov]. I hope ICE and IPR aren't turning out to be directional attack dogs for corporations. The numbers on these things [ice.gov] seem a tad bit inflated but haven't they always been?
Re:Healthcare (Score:3, Insightful)
AND they're in charge of Capital Punishment (where allowed) and other judiciary jobs... (And now I'm reminded of that German citizen who was arrested in Germany and sent to an Afghanistan prison, merely by having the same name as the actual target of the operation).
Sometimes "Oops" just doesn't cut it.
Perhaps Due Process needs to be revised to include more than what it currently does. And there needs to be a way to enforce it on the people in charge...
checks and balances? (Score:5, Insightful)
It appears they forgot the whole 'checks and balances' thing when enacting a powerful censorship law. I'm not even sure what the 'Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement' has to do with copyright enforcement.
But hey, already found a scapegoat, a 'fresh college graduate' who'll be labeled as over-zealous while those actually in charge zip by.
Re:Healthcare (Score:2, Insightful)
And Health and Human Services is going to be any better?
The poster's point was one that people always seem to ignore. The same people who are disgusted with how one side of the government acts seem to want another part of the government to become more and more a part of our lives. It's as if we were talking about two different governments, Homeland Security and the TSA and Defense, who are evil and malicious, while being incompetent and bureaucratic. Then there is the other government which is there to fix our health care and economy which must be run by benevolent geniuses who would never, ever, be like those nasty, brutish law enforcement/defense types.
Re:What they are trying to do (Score:4, Insightful)
We are making their jobs difficult by insisting that they don't harm the innocent while trying to gather evidence against the guilty?
I'd say we are keeping them accountable.
What is ICE doing? (Score:5, Insightful)
ICE's job includes enforcing laws regarding the immigration and hiring of aliens.
Lets see, Nicky Diaz, former housekeeper to Meg Whitman, admits on national television that she forged documents and is in this country illegally.
Many employers hire illegal aliens.
Millions of illegal aliens in the country.
States, have enacted their own laws because ICE is not doing its job.
But.....ICE can shut down sites that it thinks might be violating copyright law.
Yes, ICE can't do their job, but they can be given more responsibility.
Re:Healthcare (Score:4, Insightful)
That's rather funny in terms of how it is written. It just isn't true the different agencies do have different personalities. There are huge differences between them. CDC is snobby and elitist but very accurate and open. FBI is technologically incompetent but hires great people. NSA has wicked cool toys but no sense or morality. Bureau of Labor Statistics aims for quality and predictability but is rather scared of congress. CIA is beset with internal infighting.
Re:Healthcare (Score:3, Insightful)
WAY off topic but.
Actually they are not in charge of health care. It is called regulations. The same kind that they used to have on the banks, before they removed them and it all went to hell. The same kind that used to be on CC and how much they could charge you interest, before they removed that then everyone got to see rates from 20% to 30%.
It is and only will be health insurance regulations. but you just keep on believing that its a take over and its all going to come out bad for you.
Start using your brain and stop living in a world of wordsmiths.
Re:Healthcare (Score:5, Insightful)
The US government is a very large organization. It does a lot of different things. Some things it does well, other things it does badly. Some of the people who work for it do their jobs well, others do their jobs badly. Some types of people take some kinds of jobs, others take other types of jobs. There is no one "the government" doing everything the same way. Welcome to the real world.
Re:Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (Score:2, Insightful)
I dont see anything in your post here that would indicate that your English dialect is different from the American one (e.g. colour/metre/theatre/defence/civilisation/foetus/etc). Assuming someone would notice your posts elsewhere and come to this conclusion that you're not American is somewhat of a stretch.
Re:Healthcare (Score:2, Insightful)
> Yeah. The CDC has no political spin in their statements about evil, nasty, gonna destroy the world, flus that are almost as deadly as the normal one.
The word "pandemic" has a precise scientific meaning that appears to have been lost on you.
The flu (yes, that flu), has been known to kill lots of people on occasion. We're lucky that the mortality rate of the last few has been low, because it wasn't always that way. Worse, it was known to kill young & healthy people, it just didn't kill very many of them.
There were good, scientific reasons to be alarmed and to get people vaccinated and such, but I don't remember widespread panic. But maybe you watch more hysterical news services than I do.
Net neutrality (Score:2, Insightful)
Yep. Sure can't wait for "net neutrality." The government is totally neutral in all things. Government regulation of the internet sounds like a fabulous idea. What could possibly go wrong?
Why the F**k is ICE involved in this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Healthcare (Score:2, Insightful)
I never understand that, people talk about the U.S. government as if it is this monolithic entity of pure intent and clear direction.
That isn't the government, it is not some implacable entity. It is a collection of various agencies and persons doing a variety of tasks for various reasons. By saying the government is evil, you include the department of Transportation (hint: maintaining the roads and signage), the post office, the FDA, FAA, CDC, and so on. Tell me how each is evil and/or powerhungry, please.
Quit with the knee-jerk reactions and learn about what you're defaming.
Re:Expose the graduate (Score:4, Insightful)
That only applies to poor people, not cops, lawyers, judges, politicians, or corporations.
Re:Margaret A. Nagle, U.S. Magistrate Judge (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not sure we're American citizens any more. I know this is not the country I grew up in.
I sometimes look around and wonder. Sometimes it feels like I'm the last American left.