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Like Democracy, the Web Needs To Be Defended 108

climenole tips a great article by Sir Tim Berners-Lee in Scientific American. Quoting: "The Web evolved into a powerful, ubiquitous tool because it was built on egalitarian principles and because thousands of individuals, universities and companies have worked, both independently and together as part of the World Wide Web Consortium, to expand its capabilities based on those principles. The Web as we know it, however, is being threatened in different ways. Some of its most successful inhabitants have begun to chip away at its principles. Large social-networking sites are walling off information posted by their users from the rest of the Web. Wireless Internet providers are being tempted to slow traffic to sites with which they have not made deals. Governments — totalitarian and democratic alike — are monitoring people's online habits, endangering important human rights. If we, the Web's users, allow these and other trends to proceed unchecked, the Web could be broken into fragmented islands. We could lose the freedom to connect with whichever Web sites we want."
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Like Democracy, the Web Needs To Be Defended

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  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @04:51PM (#34285462)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2010 @04:52PM (#34285480)

    Is "just one web" really the best thing? What about competition? We've already seen how a tendancy towards global finance can increase the scale of disaster. If somebody attacks THE WEB, it's a global disaster. If they attack ONE OF THE WEBS, there is the possibility of switching to the other network when that happens.

  • bullshit (Score:4, Interesting)

    by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @04:54PM (#34285504) Homepage Journal
    some person's private information is NOT the resource of the site that stores it. a person's private information belongs to that person alone. there can be no other argument to that.
  • by ciaran_o_riordan ( 662132 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @04:56PM (#34285526) Homepage

    Software patents are one of the biggest threats. Writing a website is writing software, and having a website today is essential for many parts of our democracy. Campaigns on issues or for candidates need websites. Further, writing software is an important freedom in itself, like the freedom to write a book. Most people will never do either, but we all benefit from the small percentage of people who do.

    Writing functional software often means reading and writing common data formats, so a patent on a format turns into a veto on others being able to write functional software in that domain.

    (In reality, political candidates will never get threatened by patent owners - the patent owners don't want the politicians to feel first-hand how much of a problem it is.)

    Berners-Lee makes a quick reference to it in TFA:

    Openness also means you can build your own Web site or company without anyone's approval. When the Web began, I did not have to obtain permission or pay royalties to use the Internet's own open standards, such as the well-known transmission control protocol (TCP) and Internet protocol (IP). Similarly, the Web Consortium's royalty-free patent policy says that the companies, universities and individuals who contribute to the development of a standard must agree they will not charge royalties to anyone who may use the standard.

  • Re:Sorry, no. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PatHMV ( 701344 ) <post@patrickmartin.com> on Friday November 19, 2010 @04:57PM (#34285540) Homepage

    Exactly! If I want to make my information available only to some people and not to others, that's MY right. And if a "large social-networking site" helps me do that, good for them, and I am more likely to use them than I would a system that says: "you MUST make ALL information public, or not share it with anybody at all."

    I agree with Berners-Lee on his other points, but not that one. And I don't know why he would lead with that one.

  • by Haedrian ( 1676506 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @05:04PM (#34285646)
    Tim has been trying to get the "Semantic Web" project started up for ages. Social Networking sites already collect tons of excellent, linked, semantic information which could be very useful for those efforts.

    I think that's the point he was trying to get across.
  • by Qzukk ( 229616 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @05:05PM (#34285656) Journal

    Worked great for Compuserve and AOL back in the day.

    The way I figure it will play out, the major telcos will do it quickly followed by everyone else when Google, iTunes and Amazon cave and pay the protection money. It'll suck for 10 years or so, amazon.com and others will eventually close up shop, people will get bored with AT&TOL and go back to cable tv for their hundreds of channels of nothing important. Companies will stop buying "keywords", and when AT&TOL is begging for people to please give them a try because they put the internets in your computer, someone else will finally step up to the plate and either force cities to break their franchise agreements or manage to con the banks out of enough financing to buy up significant chunks of good wireless spectrum and start selling "the real internet". A .com boom will take off again as people discover that they can go to all sorts of websites, not just the ISP-sanctioned keywords, and we'll be back in the late 90's again before you know it... just in time for the y2038 crisis.

  • by presidenteloco ( 659168 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @05:15PM (#34285740)

    Maybe Tim Berners-Lee, and W3C, can chair a process of drafting a constitution protecting
    at least the minimum standards of acceptable behavior of actors and intermediaries on the
    web. Perhaps this would result in a lowest-common-denominator set of standards, but maybe
    that would be better than nothing.

  • Re:How about... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2010 @05:26PM (#34285834)

    Eventually governments and corporations will stop fighting this war and implement their control over their part of the web, where every user will use their real name, and every bit of information will be at the mercy of their controller not the user. There will also be the free net, where anything goes, anonymity being the most important thing. On a certain level it already exists today, like China's internet vs the rest of the world. As time passes those differences will become much more obvious, but once you entrust your data to someone else, you'll have trouble getting it back.

  • gone baby gone (Score:2, Interesting)

    by alphatel ( 1450715 ) * on Friday November 19, 2010 @06:01PM (#34286152)
    The internet is already dead. Writing about it its demise only prolongs agony. It's time to find the next protocol and destroy this illusion.

    We're already enduring the obliteration of inconspicuous choices by the masses. A few of the old guard might remain but it's clearly become an uphill struggle in perpetuity. The Web/Web2.0/Web3.x must all die. Then maybe a new generation will be ready to tear it all down. Right now they are too stupid to lose their interwebs and see or create what lies beyond.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2010 @08:26PM (#34287716)

    How do you spend your Web Dollars? Do you run your own servers? Are you one of the thousand points of light? Have you staked your own personal right to own a server and enforce your rights to defend it against any and all dark forces?

    When you spend your corporate Web dollars:

    Do you go with a local mom and pop shop, that you can know on a personal level? Or do you cheap out and go with one of those $5.95 a month, all you can eat megahosters? That then nickles and dimes you to a number where they can make a buck, and non-answer the phone in India?

    YOUR actions have consequences. Your dollars support what will and what will not grow and prosper. People spend money on green stuff. Why not spend your dollars supporting a local mom and pop ISP or hoster? Spend your dollars for freedom rather than feed multi-national greed?

    Do not wait for some top down solution or a messiah. Or a club, or a web group or a forum. Spend your money right. Grow some balls. Put up with the managment and peer bullshit that comes with not buying mainstream. The rewards are worth it.

    Do your little bit. Do it your way. A hiearchy can be subverted by changing only a few top people. Think leaderless resistance. Cells. Fight your herd instincts. Yep. You might get burned. Freedom ain't free. Risk is well, risky!

    A million cranky, mom and pop shops, defending their livelihoods, all different people, different ideals, thoughts, wishes, aspirations. Too numerous and diverse to deal with, track, license, bribe, coerce or round up and jail.

    Action plan. Go to the store. Buy a used box. Throw FreeBSD and Apache on it. Be one of the points of light. Be a defender of your freedom and your right to put whatever you want on the internet. You can do it this afternoon. Then you have the RIGHT! Then they have to actually take something physical from you. Then they have to cause you to lose business. Then they have cause real documentable damage to your revenue stream and your livelihood. They gotta come to the door with guns then.

    This is direct action YOU can take. Right now. What are you waiting for?

    Or ya gonna HOPE somebody does it for you????

  • by markjhood2003 ( 779923 ) on Friday November 19, 2010 @10:02PM (#34288424)

    The problem with the semantic web is taxonomy. Taxonomy is inherently based on a point of view, which is incompatible with the wild individualism of the Internet. A good example is the Usenet newsgroup name space, which engendered countless destructive wars between news admins and users in the 1990s, all over what to name a newsgroup and how it fit in to the hierarchy imagined by the news admins.

    Of course the news admins almost always won, since they held the power. But on the open Web, nobody has the power to enforce a strict taxonomic classification of web sites and their associated semantic content. The only places that provide the centralized authority necessary to enforce that kind of organization are the walled gardens like Facebook, so I doubt that Tim will ever see his dream realized.

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