TV Tropes Self-Censoring Under Google Pressure 393
mvdwege writes "The popular wiki TV Tropes, a site dedicated to the discussion of various tropes, clichés and other common devices in fiction has suddenly decided to put various of its pages behind a 'possibly family-unsafe' content warning, apparently due to pressure by Google withdrawing its ads. What puzzles me most is the content that is put behind this warning. TV Tropes features no explicit sexual content, and no explicit violence. It does of course discuss these things, as is its remit, but without actual explicit depictions. In fact, something as relatively innocuous as children being raised by two females, whatever the reason are put behind the content warning, even if the page itself doesn't take a stand on the issue, merely satisfying itself by describing the occurence of this in fiction."
Re:Google (Score:5, Informative)
Re:describing a family is family unfriendly? (Score:5, Informative)
Nobody from Google made that judgement; rather, TV Tropes' own users did... though the summary is certainly edited in such a way as to imply otherwise.
That said, the users from TV Tropes are self-censoring conservatively on account of not knowing exactly what Google dinged them for... which is clearly Not Cool.
Re:Song of Songs (Score:3, Informative)
Please, someone create a TV show based on the Song of Songs of the Bible to fuck with those people.
What to do, what to do. It's the Bible and yet, it's porn!
They would mess it up, badly. Given that the English puritans intentionally mistranslated the reference to cunnilingus in 7:2, and the American puritans mistranslated it again in the NIV, you shouldn't get your hopes up. They might just make some sort of wishy-washy show saying it is an analogy for the love of God for Israel...
(Well maybe if the Germans did it... Luther at least dared to get that translation right.)
Re:Google (Score:5, Informative)
Google does not run ads on NSFW pages. It violates their TOS. People were editing in NSFW content on some pages, and one of the auditors at Google caught it. Now TVTropes has to make sure that any pages that may have NSFW content do not run Google ads.
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:2, Informative)
"When was the last time you had to get a license for free speech or any other fundamental right?"
Concealed Carry.
Now get the hell out of my country, you anal-cranial invert. No, I don't want to hear your false history as to the origin of marriage. No, I don't want to hear about your imaginary Sky Wizard. No, I don't want to hear your excuses as to why you're purportedly not a bigot for deeming it proper to reduce a large number of my fellow Americans to the status of second class citizen.
Just get the fuck out. Go to Iran.
I'd say, please excuse the language - but fuck it. You allies of tyranny, stalwart enemies of Liberty, simply do not deserve civil discourse.
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:3, Informative)
Republican family values!
Hey, lets inflict forced proposition-8 divorces on 1000s of californian families because an imaginary diety says so, even if the constitution says govt and religion are forbidden from combining.
Uh, couple != families. Families implies children.
Errm, did you miss the part where married couples without kids got preferential treatment over unmarried couples with kids because of the aforementioned "Republican family values"?
Re:Song of Songs (Score:4, Informative)
Umm, no: porn very much includes the written word. I checked a couple dictionaries just now and it actually lists the written form of porn *first*.
The difference between erotica and pornography is that erotica is thought to have more artistic merit.
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:3, Informative)
no where in the constitution does it give idiots like you the power to decide whom other people may marry. screw you and all those who are like you.
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:3, Informative)
Sorry, but where in your constitution does it say that everyone has a right to marriage
Perhaps the Fourteenth Amendment [usconstitution.net]?
Contracts are contracts (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Google (Score:2, Informative)
One hates people who speak of themselves in the third person. One thinks they should be reprimanded sharply.
One surely does. And it puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.
Re:Google (Score:3, Informative)
If you've ever read anything on tvtropes, you'll realize that that's the standard way of starting an anecdote or personal example, such as "in this troper's experience", "this toper saw/believes/felt" and "this troper read in a fanfic somewhere...".
Re:Google (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google (Score:4, Informative)
You self-censor the word sexual and expect people to take you seriously in a conversation about censorship?
Really?
Re:describing a family is family unfriendly? (Score:3, Informative)
The summary is 100% unedited my own words. I am nowhere implying that Google made that judgment, I mean exactly what I wrote: Google's withdrawal of advertising has led TV Tropes to self-censor.
Mart
Re:Google (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:3, Informative)
No, it really wasnt.
Irrational fear of people who dont stick their dicks where you like to, and atempting to enforce and justify this irrational fear, deserves being knocked back very forcefully.
Sadly belief in an imaginary being is only deemed "insanity" when it isnt a recognised imaginary sky friend.
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google (Score:2, Informative)
I'm not upset about the trucks with cameras.
I'm upset that the same company that has the trucks and cameras has place that sells the maps, has the advertising agency, sells eyeballs, places that advertising on websites, collects all the information, is an ISP, content provider, AND search engine, and I know I'm leaving some things out.
And now, is a self-appointed censor. I thought that they just put targeted ads in places people can see them. I can't imagine that there are no advertisers trying to reach the people over at TVTropes. I've seen Google place ads in some pretty obnoxious places, including right-wing racist hate sites. But now fictional descriptions are beyond the pale?
Please tell me what is so terrible about TVTropes and the ways it "operates" now. Did you get banned from there too, MindlessAutomata? What did you do?
Re:Google (Score:3, Informative)
"Too big to fail" really referred to financial institutions whose failure would not just affect the company (which is bad enough, but the risk of doing business), but all of their investors, bank customers, clients, etc. (as appropriate) and thus adversely affect the whole U.S. economy far beyond what another business of the same size would affect.
It was bad enough when Enron bellied up and took down the pensions, etc, of employees or retirees, but if a bank failed and took _your_ or _my_ life savings/pension/whatever when you or I aren't even employees (and perhaps not even direct customers), that's a whole 'nother matter.
Of course, the solution was just as bad as the problem, in its own way, but that's another topic.
If Google went out of business, it really wouldn't be so bad because its employees would be able to find other employment, its customers would be able find other advertisers and we could all go back to using Yahoo, AltaVista or Lycos (and you thought I was going to mention Bing... we're talking hypotheticals here, not fantasy).
The real issue here is whether Google, by virtue of its size, power and/or market share is able to exert and undue influence on the market.
Re:Google (Score:3, Informative)
Linking to Tvtropes from anywhere should be a ban-worthy act...
If you think getting lost in Wikipedia is bad, you've never experienced the TVTropes vortex...
Re:Google (Score:4, Informative)
See that, ConceptJunkie, you just bought into the notion that there really is such a thing as the "free market", and further that having such a thing would actually be a good thing?
No, we have the highest unemployment rate in decades because it's good for business.
But that's a different discussion for another day.
Re:Welcome (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google (Score:3, Informative)
What is family friendly for you is family unfriendly for me.
I like the idea of children being educated about life before they experience it. Who are they to say what is family friendly? Who is anyone? Can i specify that I'd rather they hid violence from children than sex?
Re:Ahmurkuns 'n Ruhpublicuns (Score:1, Informative)
...that hostility was uncalled for.
Perhaps not, but it's perfectly understandable. Ever hear of a little sport called "fag-bashing"?