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European Parliament All But Rejects ACTA 248

An anonymous reader writes "European Parliament today adopted Written Declaration 12/2010 which basically tells the Commission to all but drop the negotiations. From the article: 'Citizens from all around Europe helped to raise awareness about ACTA among Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) by collecting, one by one, more than 369 [of the MEPs'] signatures. With Written Declaration 12/20103, the European Parliament as a whole takes a firm position to oppose the un-democratic process of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), and its content harmful to fundamental freedoms and the Internet ecosystem.'"
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European Parliament All But Rejects ACTA

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  • by Scorch_Mechanic ( 1879132 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @11:57AM (#33509264) Journal
    Now that the EU has "all but rejected ACTA", how likely is this to impact the enactment of this blatantly evil trade agreement in the US of A? Speaking as a concerned citizen of the US, can I breathe a little easier now, or is there more that still needs to be done to grind this horrible blight on the internet out of existence?
  • Source? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cf18 ( 943501 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:04PM (#33509344)
    Can we get a better source than a wiki page that anyone can edit and was last updated on March 8th?
  • Re:All but ? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:15PM (#33509488)

    Officially, negotiations are ongoing. In reality, the majority of those that would vote on it have pledged to vote no, if true, ACTA will never go though and become law. So the issue is 'all but dropped' in that the negotiations are still open, but no one on either side expects them to go anywhere.

  • Re:Wait, what? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sznupi ( 719324 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:16PM (#33509514) Homepage

    In the end, representation generally does happen, in a way - it's just that what individual members of a given society claim they want and value, and what the society actually promotes in the system of governance, are not necessarily the same thing.

    Personal anecdote time: during uni I had one roommate from a place which will remain unnamed, but is generally one of impoverished & corrupt ones - at the time we were also watching on the BBC a major unrest there, revolving around electoral fraud. Of course he was openly disgusted at such state of affairs, rampant corruption, etc.
    But what was he doing? Studying & living blissfully in a relatively expensive place, financed by his family at home in the position of public authority, on a curse leading to a diploma which will be useless (just for a paper; while cheating) - but with a position in a public institution at home virtually assured after his return.

    The close relation between those things and what he supposedly despises never quite seemed to click with him... at most, some other groups / etc. were the guilty ones.

  • by Ironhandx ( 1762146 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:32PM (#33509708)

    That analysis isn't quite right as Stephen Harper(current PM) has done a fair bit of boat rocking with his far right agenda etc. That asshole has undone some 30+ years of relative progress in just a few short years.

    He is very willing to bend over for any US agreements however. Mostly because he's busy pointing at the US(the southern US in particular) as an example for Canada to follow, as though thats a good idea. He slacked up on that part however after their economy collapsed and ours mostly just dipped and leveled out rather than collapsing.

  • by Yvanhoe ( 564877 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:33PM (#33509718) Journal
    The EU parliament does. But make no mistake, it is the brain of dinosaur. The bureaucracy below is an example of wasted resources and corruption.
  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:48PM (#33509924) Journal

    I'm not convinced the EU did this for good reasons, or for their OWN corporate overlords (like they did when they sued Microsoft in order to protect the EU-based Opera). Recall that the EU corporations would actually be damaged by ACTA, which primarily exists to protect the US TV/music industry. So naturally the EU corporations would oppose its passage, and press the MEPs to oppose it too.

    This is EU corporations fighting back against US corporate protectionism.

    Then again, perhaps I'm just too cynical.

  • by lordholm ( 649770 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:52PM (#33509968) Homepage

    Yes, the EP must approve (almost) all international treaties that the commission negotiates, the ACTA treaty is among these.

    Now, the EP have several options if they really want to force their will through. These include:

    1. A vote of no confidence, which would get the commission sacked.
    2. Try the old methods of Tiberius Gracchus and veto everything that comes out as a proposal from the commission or the council.

  • by Nursie ( 632944 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @12:57PM (#33510036)

    That's some mighty fine cynicism there. But I can't find much to pick at. Opera seems a bit small-fry for that sort of a concerted effort though. Hmmm.

  • (Correction) (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MoellerPlesset2 ( 1419023 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @01:08PM (#33510170)
    I wrote that the Commission withdrew the proposed directive. Seems I misremembered. What happened was that they changed the directive to a 'compromise' version that basically threw out all the amendment, and it ended up getting rejected.
    Point still stands anyway, the Council dumped all over parliament on the SW patent thing, and I've no reason to believe they'll do differently now.
  • Re:Wait, what? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @01:10PM (#33510184)

    A democratic institution representing the desires and best interests of it's electorate?
    What gives?

    Electoral funding laws that try to ensure that elected representatives are not corporate sponsored...

  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @01:58PM (#33510758) Journal

    >>>The U.S. seems to have started that way before greed settled in then for reasons I cannot comprehend,

    The Northeast (federalists) wanted to protect their growing business interests (mills, fishing) and during the 1790s quickly setup the central bank and other instruments that were unconstitutional, but also not answerable to the people, and held a great deal of power to favor the early corporations.

    One could argue the "greed trend" dates as early as the 1780s when the Constitution gave authors and inventors a virtually unlimited monopoly on their creations. That had not existed under the original Confederation. At first that new monopoly was a reasonable 14 year span but now it's over 100 years. Ridiculous.

    We are wiser to stick with the precepts of Natural Law, with few excursions. Does nature give to human beings a monopoly over their ideas? No. Therefore neither should humans have a monopoly in Man's Law - let ideas by liberated after a reasonable time (say one decade).

  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @04:01PM (#33512688) Journal

    We are wiser to stick with the precepts of Natural Law, with few excursions. Does nature give to human beings a monopoly over their ideas? No. Therefore neither should humans have a monopoly in Man's Law - let ideas by liberated after a reasonable time (say one decade).

    I'm used to your posting complete nonsense, but this is hilarious. Natural law means that the strong prey on the weak. Predators feast on whatever they can catch. If you really believe that this is a good way to build a civilisation, then I presume you won't object if someone stronger than you decides that the world would be better off without you in it. Or is that one of your 'few exceptions'? In which case, you are one of the 'Libertarian Communists' that another poster referred to recently - you want a strong society to protect you and a weak society to protect everyone else.

  • by ultranova ( 717540 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @04:07PM (#33512784)

    I don't equate the ability to counterfeit or violate copyright with freedom or even a basic human right.

    And yet the rest of your post goes on to talk about freedom of speech. Well, in teh America, you can't post details about Scientologist beliefs, because those are copyrighted.

    The left leaning citizens complain that the "Tea Party" folks are exercising their rights and getting results yet they do nothing in return.... argh!

    They have, apparently, done enough to make you aware of their criticism.

    Now what really concerns me is that the US was the only party in the negotiations that wanted to keep the contents of ACTA secret. This is to make it easier to rubber stamp though congress, and get the treaty signed before any of the pesky US citizens can exercise their rights to stop it.

    To put it bluntly, you can't get it stopped. Your only choice is between right-wing evil (Republicans) and right-centrist evil (Democrats). Your de facto two-party system means that your leaders are pretty much entirely unchecked. That, in turn, means that your only hope is that multi-party EU will put on the brakes, and luckily for you, it seems to be doing just that.

    Two parties is just one more than in Soviet Russia, so why do you expect to get more than just a tiny bit more freedom either?

  • by CowboyBob500 ( 580695 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @04:40PM (#33513234) Homepage
    I don't agree with Syria and Israel being allowed to join, but to be fair, part of Turkey actually is in mainland Europe. Granted, a very small part, but a part nonetheless.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @04:52PM (#33513402)

    > Ooops. Sorry. I didn't know Norway was still an independent. Is there a reason why they've chosen to remain outside the Union?

    I suspect that it's something to do with Norway's oil and gas reserves. It's the world's fifth-largest exporter of oil and third-largest of gas, and they aren't even particularly aggressive about exploiting them. This makes Norway a rather expensive place to live, and also quite inefficient (any claims of "we need to make cutbacks" are met with "no, we just need to sell more oil"), which means that Norway's economy is likely to be somewhat out-of-sync with the EU as a whole for the foreseeable future. I suppose that there may also be some concern that the EU might try to use Norway as an ATM.

  • by turgid ( 580780 ) on Wednesday September 08, 2010 @05:07PM (#33513616) Journal

    I don't agree with Syria and Israel being allowed to join, but to be fair, part of Turkey actually is in mainland Europe. Granted, a very small part, but a part nonetheless.

    Why should membership be arbitrarily limited by geography?

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