Creative Commons Responds To ASCAP Letter 161
An anonymous reader writes "Drew Wilson at ZeroPaid has a followup to the story about ASCAP telling its members that organizations like EFF and Creative Commons are undermining copyright. A spokesperson from Creative Commons said, 'It's very sad that ASCAP is falsely claiming that Creative Commons works to undermine copyright. Creative Commons licenses are copyright licenses — plain and simple, without copyright, these tools don't even work.' He also said, 'Many tens of thousands of musicians, including acts like Nine Inch Nails, the Beastie Boys, David Byrne, Radiohead, and Snoop Dogg, have used Creative Commons licenses to share with the public.' Many ASCAP members are already expressing their disappointment with the ASCAP letter over at Mind the Gap. Sounds like ASCAP will be in damage control for a while."
Coming Battle: Individual Rights vs. Copyrights (Score:5, Interesting)
Tens of thousands of musicians? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sigh (Score:5, Interesting)
When will people take a few minutes to get some reading comprehension and realize that's ASCAP's point. CC is, in ASCAP's point of view, corrupting copyright. You can't say something's being corrupted if it's not being used. ASCAP doesn't want people using copyright in such a fashion as to be giving stuff away. Copyright must be exercised to make a profit, contributing freely to society is to be abhorred and derided as unnatural.
This is why ASCAP is so dangerous. They want to make it so that any and every project must be either profit-oriented, or public domain, with no middle ground. And if you can't afford to monetize something, then you're stuck either keeping it under wraps, or losing complete control of it.
Subtle distinction (Score:5, Interesting)
ASCAP is (almost) correct. While copyleft doesn't undermine copyright, it does undermine the copyright cartel. If artists begin to license worthwhile, popular, and (monetarily) successful works under copyleft -- if artists succeed while granting people more rights than they, strictly, have to -- then consumers might begin to wonder why more artists -- and big companies -- don't do that. Using copyleft could become a competitive advantage. And then how will Big Music justify restricting users?
If the sheep wake up, the whole industry -- as currently organized -- falls apart. And that's what ASCAP is worried about.
Vote with your wallet: (Score:4, Interesting)
2 big funnies on this (Score:4, Interesting)
1 copyLEFT needs copyRIGHT to actually "work" (you go on the hook for copyright violations if you break a copyleft license)
2 This "Brilliant" act by ASCAP gives the Copyleft folks something they can always use
A COMMON ENEMY
Re:DONATE (Score:3, Interesting)
As easy as it is to "hate the man" in potential ugly situations like that, I've never heard of that scenario where a small business was put out of business by ASCAP + BMI fines, so feel free to cite some sources on that one.
However, as a part time DJ, I am aware of the licensing fees and obligations on the part of both the DJ and the establishment. It's expensive to deal with them.
And as a friend of lots of musicians, I am aware of the royalty fees that ASCAP can bring in to its members.
It's kind of a love/hate relationship, where money circulates and there's no way to stop the cycle. Ostensibly, you're supposed to be protected from people ripping off your band's music. But, a cover band/DJ and a bar need only to get a blanket license, and they're good to go and rip you off all the way to the bank. So... what's the point, really?
Don't forget about SESAC!
You usually have to have ASCAP, BMI and SESAC licenses to be mostly clear, and then you should track down all the little off-mainstream labels that are unlikely to pursue legal action, but you still don't want to rip them off or get sued by some random exec you didn't know about that showed up at a wedding/party.
Re:Coming Battle: Individual Rights vs. Copyrights (Score:5, Interesting)
Just one point: don't confuse bad governance with government. The reason ACTA is being passed is because the public at large is failing to do anything meaningful about it.
It's hard to get people motivated about something that is being actively hidden from them.
Citizen: "ACTA is bad. Please Mr. Politician, stop it"
Politician: "which specific parts of ACTA are you talking about. Plese quote me chapter and verse"
Citizen: "But you won't let me see it. You won't even acknowledge it exists"
Politician: "So you have no idea what you're talking about.. Good day sir. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out"
Re:DONATE (Score:4, Interesting)
A local singer that I play bass for on occasion was scheduled to play his own music at an antique store around Christmas last year.
The gig was advertised in local media, and websites. Two weeks prior the antique store was shaken down by BMI/ASCAP for a ridiculous amount. I don't recall how much at present, but seem to recall it being in the neighborhood of $1000.
This is a small shop in the square of the county seat in a rural area, and they want all this money for one of their own members to play his own music in a friends store.
Asshats!
Re:DONATE (Score:1, Interesting)
I help run a medium-sized fan convention in a major metropolis.
A few years ago, we had a couple of musical acts play live shows during the evenings. During set breaks and open times, we would play pre-recorded music by these same artists - with their permission, heck, they provided the CDs for us to use. It also bears noting that these were independent musical acts not affiliated with ASCAP.
About six months after the convention, we received a similar letter from ASCAP accusing us of using unlicensed music and requesting we pay some ridiculous amount plus a penalty. If I recall correctly, it was about $2500 total. Think about that: they wanted us to just send them $2500 for playing music from artists not affiliated with them, with said artists' permission and said artists' even providing us with CDs to use.
And these people "represent the artists?" Bull. They're a Mafia-esque "protection racket" - nothing more - shaking down a non-profit financed by its directors that didn't even break even until last year.
We replied to the letter and told them, politely but in no uncertain terms, that if they could prove that we illicitly played music by an ASCAP-represented artist, that we would pay the penalty. But, until they could prove wrongdoing on our part, we refused to pay a single cent to them.
That was 2.5 years ago. We have still yet to hear back.
However, we did learn a couple of important lessons during the whole fiasco. We now ask all performers to inform us of any industry affiliations they may have and we document all agreements made between us and performers, no matter how minor they may seem, in writing. Because, if they had filed a suit against us, it would have just been our word against theirs.