Pakistani Lawyer Wants Mark Zuckerberg Executed 1318
Earthquake Retrofit sends along a piece from The Register reporting on a nightmare scenario of legal jurisdiction on the Internet: a Pakistani lawyer has filed blasphemy charges, carrying the death penalty, against Mark Zuckerberg and other Facebook executives (and the pseudonomous user who initiated the "Draw Muhammad" contest last month). Pakistani police have apparently opened an investigation, according to this Google translation of a BBC Urdu report."
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Re:I love moderates (Score:4, Insightful)
What do you really expect for a religion literally meaning "submission" and where the very founder spread it at the point of a sword. As a society, we all want to have a very PC belief that all religions are created equal, have good intentions, at their core are always good messages and what not and it's only the bad people that pervert them.... but I think that's naive and I'm saying this as an agnostic. Treating unsubstantiated beliefs as sacred and taboo will always be a bad thing because you can't challenge a good or bad interpretation with logic and clearly any and all belief systems set up by man for various agendas will have downsides - some more than others.
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Ya I don't understand these blasphemy charges. If someone says something they disagree with, then should just ignore him and move on. I'm not religious so I guess the equivalent for me would be someone claiming that coconuts are fruits. I'll think he's an idiot but that's it, I won't want him executed.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
Treating unsubstantiated beliefs as sacred and taboo will always be a bad thing because you can't challenge a good or bad interpretation with logic and clearly any and all belief systems set up by man for various agendas will have downsides - some more than others.
Not to mention, any time that a death penalty is suggested for anything less than homicide, there's something terribly wrong with the picture.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd add fraud and other white collar crimes for cases where the damages exceed the statistical value of a human life [msn.com].
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
From a practical point of view, it's a terrible idea. The justice system is not able to correctly mete out these punishments. People who commit these crimes go free. People who are innocent are convicted of them. Also, the threat of a death penalty causes mismatch in threatened penalties compared with the evidence against them, so they plead guilty to a lesser charge rather than lose their life for a crime they did not commit. The police lie under oath and fake evidence, with the truth coming out years or decades later. Witnesses are horribly unreliable, and they can be pressured to perjure themselves.
Add up the expenses and hoops involved in death penalty cases and it's a cheaper proposition to put someone in prison for the rest of their lives.
So, yes, I agree with you that they _ought_ to die, but don't think that we should be doing it.
Re:I love moderates (Score:4, Insightful)
If you kill someone...you have no place in a civilized society.
So, executioners and military have no place in civilized society. I can agree with that.
Re:I love moderates (Score:4, Insightful)
What I really expect is for people to be able to tell the difference between an entire religion, and one asshat who claims to follow that religion. You can claim that the behavior of the asshat characterizes the entire religion, but that doesn't make it so.
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I don't think that's right. I think about the only people who think all religions are equal are:
As a fellow agnostic, what I want is just for people to give me enough space to figure this stuff out, without threatening to kill me if I don't buy into their religion.
Re:I love moderates (Score:4, Interesting)
Reformation vs no reformation. It's pretty easy to figure out which ones went through which 700 years ago.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
What are you talking about? The inquisition was still going on when this country was formed a little over 200 years ago...
Fuck Mohammed and the camel he rode in on!
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Funny)
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Well to be fair, nobody expected it.
the inquisition is still in the Catholic Church (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, while Islam didn't have a "reformation", it also has the "two-substantially-dissimilar-and-mutually-displeased-with-one-another-sects-operating-under-one-heading" thing going, with the Sunni and Shia branches(plus some smaller oddball variants), and that hasn't exactly exposed its warm and fuzzy side.
Most of the credit for the West not being a ghastly theocratic hellhole, torn by endless wars between the terrorized papistical minions of Rome and the terrorized heretical minions of various protestant factions, with the occasional witch burning or crusade to bring people together, is due to the Enlightenment.
"Mankind will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last Priest"(and the last advertising shill is buried alive alongside them)...
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Funny)
"Mankind will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last Priest"(and the last advertising shill is buried alive alongside them)...
Look, we've got just about all the Kings finished off, but we have a long way to go on all the priests. Are you saying we need to preserve the last King until we're down to the last priest as well? That is going to complicate the logistics horribly.
And God knows how long until the ad man goes down for the count. I think this whole timetable needs to be revisited.
Re:I love moderates (Score:4, Insightful)
Easy solution: store entrails of the last king/priest (whichever comes first) in liquid nitrogen and thaw them before use.
Re:The biggest protector of child molesters (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh like Islam is any better.
Child brides, pederasty, repression of women, homosexuality as a crime with the death penalty in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, northern Nigeria, Sudan, and Yemen.
I'd bet that more young males are molested in countries like Morocco a year due to the repressed sexuality Islam imposes than have been molested by all the Catholic priests in the last thirty years.
The son of one of Hamas's founders admits that the social restrictions on dating and sex in Islam and the Middle Eastern tribal society is one of the leading causes of militarism in Islam.
Re:The biggest protector of child molesters (Score:5, Funny)
The son of one of Hamas's founders admits that the social restrictions on dating and sex in Islam and the Middle Eastern tribal society is one of the leading causes of militarism in Islam.
Or, in the words of Mr/Ms. Garrison:
"Put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim - it's Friday night, but you can't have sex. And you can't jack off. There's sand in your eyes, and probably in the crack of your ass. Then some cartoon comes along from some country where people are getting laid and mocks your prophet. Well, y'know what?! I'd be pretty pissed off too!"
Re:The biggest protector of child molesters (Score:4, Informative)
Theocracy in Europe was parallel to secular authority. They each had their own courts, own tax system, etc. Yes, there was fighting over who was really in charge, which escalated into open war, but for the average guy on the farm the cvhuch was a government he had better obey. Post-reformation the secular governments had won, and in many places you could even decide to go to a differenct church if you wanted to.
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Of course, Christianity has its roots in Judaism, which while not exactly "spread" by the point of the sword, it was advanced by the point of the sword.
Judaism's history was a very violent one, though they were/are not particularly interested in spreading the religion, because it is a racial religion.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
What happened to learning from history to avoid repeating its mistake? Or did i miss some clause detailing exceptions to this?
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
So just because some of our remote ancestors behaved like giant douchebags it's okay to let people repeat it, especially if it's in the name of religion.
What happened to learning from history to avoid repeating its mistake? Or did i miss some clause detailing exceptions to this?
That is precisely why it is okay. Consider science: repeatable results makes for good theories. These so-called "mistakes" have resulted in repeated success of the victors. It's probably more important to understand who benefits rather than looking at the methods.
There are a lot of groups out there who have done just fine with war, conquest and oppression as their means. Although certainly the dead and oppressed people out there didn't like it, we need to understand that this stuff happens because it makes your state/sect/corporation more successful. If history is really a teacher, we may realize that wars, oppression and things like that are only mistakes if you don't like war and oppression. If your major concerns are more power, spreading your ideology/religion, getting rich and having a higher standard of living for yourself, then it would be a "mistake" to make peace and to cease being militarily powerful and allowing more people to have a say in things.
For you to have any hope of ending these negative aspect for good, you need to change cultures and thought processes to put emphasis on different things. And that isn't going to happen by attacking the symptoms, as nice as it sounds to attack military spending, oil companies and intolerant religions. If you want to stop those abuses for good, you need the people to start thinking in a different way about their existence and goals as a species.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
That is referring to his followers being persecuted and rejected by their own family members.
Which, I might add, is an exact description of what happens when a Muslim converts to Christianity. If the family doesn’t outright execute him or her, they at the very least are completely disowned.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
Being disowned in a Muslim culture is a bit more serious than being disowned in the US. In the Muslim culture, your identity – the fact that you are a person, and have civil rights – is based on your Muslim heritage. If your parents retract it, you’re George Bailey. You weren’t born. You don’t exist.
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Informative)
How? Religion is created by people.
Most religions are. Judaism and Christianity claim to have been created by God.
I, for one, do not believe that the New Testament speaks only Christ's words and teachings, especially considering that considerable portions were written hundreds of years after his death.
Hundreds of years? The latest possible date for *any* of the books is 150AD. The most likely date places the most recent one (Revelation) as being written in 95AD.
This isn't even considering that Jesus, like Luther centuries later, wasn't necessarily seeking to create a new religion, rather he was attempting to modify the existing Hebrew religion.
Pretty much everything Jesus taught in his day flew directly in the face of what Judaism taught at the time. The leaders of Judaism where his biggest opponents. In fact, his blasphemy by their definition was so horrible as to warrant the worst possible sentence they had at their disposal. Not exactly what anyone would (with any seriousness) call a "modification" of an existing religion.
And there aren't many people who would say that the Hebrews were necessarily a completely peaceful people. From the massacre of the worshipers of the golden calf to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, there was plenty of violence to go around.
That is history prior to Christianity. No where in the New Testament will you violence being condoned for the followers of Christianity to participate in. You do however find lots of support for returning good for evil, and non-retaliation for violence received.
Christianity is not about forcing a world view, religion, beliefs, or anything on anyone else. It's about spreading the good news of the Gospel to everyone so they have the choice to be saved or not.
It's fine if you choose not to believe in Christianity but you should at least research the facts before you make claims when you clearly don't know the subject matter.
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Depends what you mean. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Depends what you mean. (Score:5, Insightful)
There was a man traveling through the land, casting out demons. When the apostles saw it, they told him to stop because he was not one of them. When they told Jesus what they'd done, Jesus told them that they shouldn't have made him stop because whoever is not against us is with us. What then, do you suppose he would say about your claim that "Its meaningless to say you are a Christian or a member of a particular church unless you share its essential beliefs." I'll tell, you, he wouldn't have cared about your precious "essential beliefs".
Yes. Have you read it? It says that.
That you should give away all your money. That you should accept and love all people. That you should hate your father and your mother. That you should not abide in laws and rules, but rather focus on love. That you shouldn't lord over each other. Pretty much the whole of the gospel message has been thoroughly rejected and rationalized away by the "church".
Re:Depends what you mean. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Depends what you mean. (Score:5, Insightful)
Strictly speaking, Jesus never command you to do any of those things (nor to believe anything). He did command a couple things (love God, love one and other, make disciples of all nations) and he was pretty clear that doing those things was of paramount importance. He never (as far as I'm noticed in all my readings) placed any emphasis in belief, though some people misread faith as belief.
Here's my beef with belief. People will say they believe something, and intellectually that may be true, but if they don't practice it they don't believe it in their heart. That is worthless
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm curious, which 21st century Christian figures are calling for and filing motions for government-sponsored murder?
Wrong question.
The interesting question is what countries enable you to file a religion-based motion for government-sponsored murder.
You have nutters all over the place, of every colour and (proclaimed) stripe/culture/religion - the problems is having those nutters in powers. Screw the reformation - the seperation of church and state, constitutions and bills of right are what makes a difference!
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Funny)
Progress is progress.
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I hate to bring this up because it's off topic. But Hitler was Catholic. He went to church, was backed by the Vatican and mentions doing Gods work in Mein Kampf. You can't disown him from your belief system because he was a cunt.
What??? How was this modded informative?? Hitler may have been born Catholic, but he was Catholic in the same way Marx was Jewish--both are religions that are also ethnic identities, because people are inducted into them in childhood. Here are some representative quotes from his later life:
"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
(Quoted by Albert Speer, architect of the Third Reich)
The individual may establish with pain today that with the appearance of Christianity the first spiritual terror entered into the far freer ancient world, but he will not be able to contest the fact that since then the world has been afflicted and dominated by this coercion, and that coercion is broken only by coercion, and terror only by terror.
--From Mein Kampf
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."
Re:I love moderates (Score:5, Insightful)
What??? How was this modded informative?
You must be new around here. Anti-Christian posts are always modded up Informative or Insightful. The more outlandishly silly, the more so. They are the slashdot equivalent of trash-talk on the basketball court. And don't imagine that most modders take the moderation rules seriously. Modding is an expression of solidarity with the trash-talkers.
I demand (Score:5, Funny)
I demand a pony! I want a pony! So I can chop it's head off and put it in a Pakistani lawyer's bed.
They would only be hurting themselves (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:5, Funny)
"Koran-thumping hicks" is my new phrase of the month. Thank you.
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:4, Insightful)
What if that religious fanaticism happens to be the religion that controls a major portion of the oil in the world? Islamic countries tend to stick together for no other reason than they happen to be islamic.
It also is a sign of things to come: more countries will sue citizens of other countries for what they did on the Internet. There is a real risk that this will impede business all over the world.
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That’s apparently the difference between us... I don’t believe that insulting someone’s religion should carry the death penalty.
You’re just as bad as this idiot Pakistani lawyer.
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:5, Funny)
I support his execution for other reasons, such as his crappy facebook privacy games.
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:5, Insightful)
More likely: "we're a bunch of weenies who are willing to bow to pressure from intolerant koran thumping hicks who say they want to behead us for exercising our rights."
Pointing out the absurdity of people being offended by stupid things is nothing to be ashamed about. Here, I'll even do it right now: 8===D O: That is Muhammad sucking a massive cock, for those unaware.
What facebook should be ashamed of is that they bowed to pressure from these lunatics.
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:4, Insightful)
Says the man e-raging on slashdot.
Regardless of what you say (or I for that matter), Pakistan is still a backwards shithole, this lawyer is still a certified idiot, Muhammed was still a pedophile, and Islam is still not a religion of peace. Deal with it.
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:5, Funny)
ah, but I've already learned what happens: I get e-raged at by Michael Kristopeit who proceeds to CAPS at me while telling me he's not raging, while making passive aggressive threats. Kind of like Muslims who demand the beheading of those who challenge Islam's peacefulness.
Most amusing.
Re:They would only be hurting themselves (Score:4, Funny)
And let me guess: you won't die because Allah has granted you eternal life and 72 virgins for so deftly defeating enemies of Islam on the internet with your fine words? Is that about right?
hilarious indeed.
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and what sign does facebook hold to the world?
"we're a backwards shithole, filled with idiots who will insult your religion just because they know nothing makes you more mad."
kill them all.
Facebook?
I dunno... Something like "people will willingly share any information you ask for as long as they can play crappy flash games with their friends" I'd imagine.
Or are you referring to the whole Draw Muhammad thing? Because that wasn't really Facebook-sponsored. It did have a presence on Facebook... But it was started elsewhere and spread just about everywhere.
And while I'll agree that it's kind of dickish to intentionally piss someone off just for the hell of it... I don't think it is OK to imp
You know... (Score:4, Interesting)
... while the wider implications are scary, I'm not sure I really have a problem with this particular case. Think they could make Four Square a crime against humanity while they're at it?
It comes down to... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Islam - a religion of peace. Are you serious?
Has your favorite religion ever killed anyone?
What you'll find with Islam, like any other religion with millions of followers, is that the adherents hold a broad variety of attitudes. Best not to judge all by the behavior of some, just as with skin color, nationality, hairstyle, or anything else.
Heck, I remember seeing on the news in the '90s where two sects of Buddhist monks were going at it with quarterstaffs, fighting over control of a shrine.
I met Iranian Moslems in college who were thoroughly westerniz
Re: It comes down to... (Score:4, Funny)
Best not to judge all by the behavior of some, just as with skin color, nationality, hairstyle, or anything else.
I dunno, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with a mullet has a tendency to beat people with a hockey stick.
Re:It comes down to... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It comes down to... (Score:5, Insightful)
Christianity not being a "religion of peace" (no news here, don't think you are so terribly insightful) doesn't mean that Islam is. Both are free to be ridiculed at the same time.
On the other hand, this article is definitively about Islam, so that is what's being discussed.
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So by your reasoning, the next time some thug who happens to be an atheist kills someone, it proves all atheists are potential murders?
Re:It comes down to... (Score:5, Informative)
The crusades were politically motivated and it’s a shame everyone believed the religious excuse that was used to keep people interested in a perpetual bloody conflict.
Re:It comes down to... (Score:4, Interesting)
Politically motivated or not, religion was a useful tool to justify them. Without that tool, they would have had to fall back on reason, which means they might have found it a lot harder to justify their position.
Sure, why not? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re: Sure, why not? (Score:5, Informative)
How about the fact that DoD was so infested with political correctness that it ignored the warning signs regarding a Muslim service member whom later went on a shooting rampage and killed over a dozen innocent people?
There's also Comedy Central's hypocrisy -- they allow South Park (and Jon Stewart to a lesser extent) to rip every other religion to shreds but refuse to allow them to do the same to Islam.
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A Modest Proposal: Thunderdome (Score:5, Funny)
That's not "a nightmare scenario of legal jurisdiction". That's an opportunity. Allow me to sever the Gordian knot of tangled jurisdictional issues with justice, THUNDERDOME style.
Tonight's card: Muslim Fundamentalist Lawyer vs. Mark Zuckerberg. Two men enter, one world wins.
Re:A Modest Proposal: Thunderdome (Score:5, Funny)
Please, can't we just get beyond Thunderdome?
Agreed, we don't need another hero.
No problemo... (Score:5, Funny)
All the Pakistanis have to do is give us Osama Bin Laden first!
In the meantime, we'll keep Mark in a nice safe cave built by the CIA.
Re:No problemo... (Score:5, Funny)
Slight overreaction (Score:3, Insightful)
Exaggerate much? This is up there with the summary from a few years ago about how the squid's beak will revolutionize engineering [slashdot.org].
Mark Zuckerberg (Score:5, Funny)
Here is a better reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't wait for HTML5 (Score:4, Interesting)
Once canvas takes over, we draw can Muhammad every fucking where.
It's sad, because I really want to support executing Zuckerberg. But . . .
I get the general religious offense in drawings of Muhammad. In that regard, it's like the Piss Crucifix. But, I don't see the need for the great animus behind all this. I mean, are Muslims really such pussies they can't take a fucking joke about their Prophet? Also, isn't this sort of elevating the Prophet to the level of a deity? And if so, doesn't that sort of nullify the Muslism creed (there is no god but God, and the stick figure behind the "censored" blackout bar is His Prophet)?
In the meantime, here's a fucking ASCII drawing of Muhammad . . .
O ----( Allahu akbar! ) -|- | /\
Dark Ages (Score:5, Insightful)
Yet another example showing that the Islamic world is still in the Dark Ages that most of the rest of the world emerged from sometime in the 13th century.
Re:Dark Ages (Score:4, Insightful)
Yet another example showing that the Islamic world is still in the Dark Ages that most of the rest of the world emerged from sometime in the 13th century.
and to which Christian fundamentalists want to drag us back.
The dangers of submitting to local community rules (Score:5, Insightful)
I guess this is a development that no one really foresaw in the early stages of the Internet: instead of creating a global village with a global set of social mores, the Internet is creating a global court room where every jurisdiction can claim tort against anybody who does something over the Internet. Furthermore, it was always implicitly assumed (especially in the US) that the Internet users would adopt, or at least move to American moral standards. Instead, we're discovering that there are plenty of communities out there who are happy to apply their local standards to the world, and that these communities have enough power to at least make life uncomfortable for everyone.
There is a lesson here. Actually, there are two lessons here. One, Americans aren't the only ones willing to export their values, and they will have a difficult time arguing that others shouldn't. Two, we can lay to rest the notion that the Internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it: nations have enough power, and those in power have enough incentive, to use the other code base to control the Internet - the code of law.
I have a sneaking suspicion I know which one is going to win, and it's going to give geeks heartburn all over the world.
Jurisdiction (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't think that Mark Zuckerberg is under the jurisdiction of the Pakistani police. He doesn't live there, he isn't a citizen of Pakistan, he didn't even commit this infraction himself.
Of course, I am not a Pakistani lawyer, so don't take this as legal advice, Mark.
This is why the US is "anti"-Islamic-terrorist (Score:4, Insightful)
And yet people get so upset and claim that the US "made" the terrorists. I guess they did. Just like Mark Z. did. It does not take much for a western to anger someone. In fact, most people on slashdot would be likely candidates for execution; most of them deny that Allah exists.
But what we really need to do is talk about this with them and come to an understanding...
And by the way, Israel is bad. Israel shouldn't have a blockade, Hamas isn't really a big threat. They just want to "execute" Israel...
Hm.
Re:This is why the US is "anti"-Islamic-terrorist (Score:5, Informative)
Israel has given up land.
Israel appears to think the current national entity should not be a national entity, but appears to be willing to allow people to live there, in the name of peace.
Hamas, on the other hand, thinks all Israel - the Jewish PEOPLE - be killed. They don't care about the political status of Israel, they hate the Jews.
That's a big difference. One is anti-ethnic-group (genocide), and the other is anti-political-entity (mmmm land dispute, nation dispute, not genocide).
By the way, if Israel doesn't acknowledge the right for Palestine to exist, why do they allow ANY aid into Gaza? On one hand, you have Israel allowing aid (yes, we can argue about how well they are doing that, but they ARE doing it). On the other hand, we have Hamas actively trying to kill all the Jews in Israel. Hmmmmm. Yup, sounds very equal to me, as your one-liner seemed to imply... [/sarcasm]
Islam question (Score:4, Interesting)
Could someone explain why some Muslims believe that their rules need to apply to non-Muslims?
As a point of contrast, many Christians believe that their primary responsibility is to not themselves sin. Secondarily is to encourage their fellow Christian to avoid sinning; this includes (at the worst) kicking people out of the church when they're chronically unwilling to shape up. But But it's pretty hard to find anything directly in Christian theology that suggests Christians are supposed to try to impose these standards on non-Christians.
So what is it about some Muslim theologies that leads them to try to, for example, feel justified and/or compelled to try to kill Dutch cartoonists and Facebook executives?
Re:Islam question (Score:5, Informative)
Because the Koran is not just a book of religion with philosophy, it also presents the plans for civil government, laws, and punishments as well. That's the entire Sharia law that you hear about when talking about Muslim countries and the Taliban. It doesn't just apply to Muslims because it is stating the laws that their government should use for everybody under its jurisdiction, believers and non-believers.
Look at it this way... (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if you look at it from their perspective, that Mark Zuckerberg is somehow guilty because he's "enabling" these "offensive" actions on his website, doesn't that make their entire religion guilty because they're enabling the grisly murders of people like Daniel Pearl, or hell, all of 9/11?
They are going to end up executing their savior (Score:3)
If you think about it. If Mohammed actually ever came to meet his people. They'd execute the guy for defaming himself. I mean seriously who the hell could live up to the hype that they've been pumping for generations. Aren't they at least a little bit embarrassed by this?
It's a real risk for Zuckerman (Score:5, Interesting)
It's a real problem for Zuckerman. He's previously made fund-raising trips to Dubai. [techcrunch.com] That's over. The UAE has blasphemy laws [wikipedia.org], which they enforce. The UAE also has an extradition treaty with Pakistan [dailytimes.com.pk], but not with the United States. So he can no longer visit Dubai, and is unlikely to get funding from any source in the Arab world. He can't even fly Emirates Air.
Re:It's a real risk for Zuckerman (Score:4, Informative)
Would they settle for a plea bargin? (Score:5, Funny)
Would they be willing to settle for a plea bargin of having a drawing of Mark Z executed on national television?
In related news... (Score:4, Funny)
Really? Is this where we can tell Pakistan (Score:4, Funny)
To bite America's shiny metal ass?
Not fair! (Score:4, Insightful)
Just earlier this month I WANTED to strangle Zuckerberg. How is it possible for these assholes to suck the fun out of everything?
Re:Get in the queue buddy... (Score:5, Insightful)
And on a more serious note... what does the people who want the UK Hacker extradited and tried in the USA think of this?... after all the crime was commited in Pakistan (showing drawings of Teh Propeth) no?
Re:Get in the queue buddy... (Score:4, Insightful)
See, hacking government computers is illegal everywhere, recognized by a crime by two allies who have an extradition treaty with each other. "Blasphemy" isn't a crime in America, or most of the non-Muslim world. Pakistan is basically the world's Arkansas and no one takes them seriously. There is no moral or legal equivalent.
Re:This should be interesting... (Score:5, Insightful)
No, people are assholes pretty much anywhere.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Unless Facebook is running servers in Pakistan or Zuckerberg has been to Pakistan, he did not commit a crime in Pakistan. The US authorities will note that fact.
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Well, Facebook has customers in Pakistan, and that is probably enough, for FB to be considered a fugitive.
However, it should probably be noted that Zuckerberg is NOT facebook.
Can you imagine what would happen if CEOs for companies were actually personally criminally responsible for any illegal action anyone at their company committed, or that their company enabled any customer to commit?
If that were true we might have companies actually following the law....
Re:This should be interesting... (Score:5, Informative)
Mohammad was a child-raping psychopath and Allah doesn't exist.
There, now CmdrTaco can't go to Dubai.
Re:grow some skin (Score:5, Insightful)
Muslims consider the Christian and Jewish G-d to be Allah and Jesus to be a prophet. They are unlikely to make fun of them. Islam's crime is rather the denigration of all non-Muslims into non-humans.
Re:Slashdot Posters Want Pakistani Lawyer Executed (Score:5, Funny)
I think it's more likely that Slashdot posters want Zuckerburg executed too, only for different reasons. My personal feeling it death is too good for the guy who founded Facebook and caused me to waste so much of my time.
Re:Slashdot Posters Want Pakistani Lawyer Executed (Score:5, Funny)
If you've ever logged on to Facebook, you have only yourself to blame. I like Zuckerburg - after investors complained about the company's wasteful spending, wondering whether he was wasting all their money on hookers and blow, Zuckerburg once filed an expense report itemizing his expenses as "hookers and blow". He's the hero of anyone who has ever struggled with getting expenses denied.
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Sorry man (Score:5, Insightful)
But it is not just one guy. I don't care what people want to say Islam is supposed to be, you have to take what it in. In particular, look at the countries that are Islamic countries. They are almost to a one fundamentalist dictatorships of one form or another. You have Iran that has sham elections but is run by a "Supreme Leader" that is a cleric and an "Assembly of Experts" also clerics. You have Saudi Arabia, a long standing monarchy where they don't use lawyers but clerics in court and so on. The actual implementation of Islam is stuck back in the crusades and no amount of explaining away can change that. I don't care if that's not what it is "supposed" to be, that's what it is. I'm not going to say that Christian behavior in the actual crusades was ok because it was "Actually Christian". Sorry, it was what the vast majority of the follower of that faith did at the time. Doesn't matter if the book said they shouldn't, they did and justified it with their faith.
This is the same kind of crap from the people who cry that every single communist state "Isn't a real communism," and therefore communism is still a fine idea. Well strictly speaking that may be the case but practically speaking when communism is implemented, you get the USSR or Vietnam or Cuba and so on.
It's all the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Oh those guys aren't TRUE Muslims. Yes, they are. They identify as Muslim, they follow the basics, they are Muslim. They may not be what you think a Muslim should be, but they still are.