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UK ISP Spots a File-Sharing Loophole, Implements It 179

Posted by kdawson
from the this-way-round dept.
An anonymous reader writes "As well as taking an active part in OFCOM's code of obligations in regards to the ill-conceived Digital Economy Act (the UK three-strikes law for filesharers), niche ISP Andrews & Arnold have identified various loopholes in the law, the main one being that a customer can be classified as a communications provider. They have now implemented measures so in your control panel you may register your legal status and be classed as such." Another of the loopholes this inventive ISP sussed out: "Operating more than one retail arm selling to customers and allowing customers to migrate freely with no change to service between those retail arms, thus bypassing copyright notice counting and any blocking orders."
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UK ISP Spots a File-Sharing Loophole, Implements It

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  • Re:That'll work (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Tony Hoyle (11698) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Wednesday April 28 2010, @05:23AM (#32011520) Homepage

    2*[branches of the ISP]*[Family members/friends/dog]

    Also the act says nothing about keeping a count for *ex* subscribers.. so pingponging between two may be enough.

  • by Richard_at_work (517087) <richardprice@gma ... m minus math_god> on Wednesday April 28 2010, @05:28AM (#32011552)
    I see this as something a Judge will strike down as spurious rather than an actual loophole - Judges love to come down harshly on people they think are deliberately trying to circumvent the law.
  • Re:Well done (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AlexiaDeath (1616055) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @05:32AM (#32011580)
    So, who will be suing them? The Labels cant. The practice of letting users register as communications providers has nothing to do with them or their content. The state? Over a service they provide for their customers? Not happening. Also UK is not us AFAIK. No punitive damages.
  • by Tony Hoyle (11698) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Wednesday April 28 2010, @05:35AM (#32011596) Homepage

    It was voted in by about 200 pissed up MPs who had been dragged out of the pub to make sure it passed. Only about 40 actually attended the debate.

    Watching it happen was an eye opener to say the least. Any illusions that we have actual representation died that day.

  • by AlexiaDeath (1616055) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @05:38AM (#32011608)
    If I have wifi hotspot open to the world, nobody can say I'm in any way deliberately skirting the law.
  • Re:Lib Dems (Score:3, Interesting)

    by amw (636271) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:20AM (#32011834) Homepage

    The LibDems are the only one of the three major parties that stood up to this law (voting against it and calling for its repeal).

    They also seem the strongest generally when it comes to following common-sense approach to science; evidence-based policy is one phrase I've heard being banded around as well, which after the various allegations of ministers ignoring their own scientific advisors in the past few months is a welcome relief.

    However, I'm more than just a geek. When it comes to my vote in a week's time, I also have to consider the pros and cons of each party to all the other aspects of my life: my wife, baby son, job, house, local environment, health, personal and moral beliefs, just to name a few. Being geek-friendly is a positive trait, but there are also areas important to me in which the LibDems are weaker.

  • by Grumbleduke (789126) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:25AM (#32011856) Homepage Journal

    Just looking through the list, I'm not particularly excited by their loop-holes.

    • Ok, I'll accept that this is quite cunning; however, it is basically just shifting the burden. It means that rather than needing n strikes, you'll need 2n-1 strikes (assuming two people capable of signing the subscriber agreement). They will all still go on the list of alleged infringements and any allegations (from what I remember of the debates; can't find the Hansard quote) stay with you for some time, even if you switch ISP. - Ineffective
    • I'm a little worried by becoming a "communications provider". There are over 400 sections of the Communications Act 2003 [opsi.gov.uk] most of which seems to be aimed at laying down rules and laws for communications providers. I haven't read this Act thoroughly, but I think this will just end up placing a huge burden on the unsubscriber (like the provisions on Data Retention, or registering with the Information Commissioner - that sort of thing). Even then, it could be argued that if you are a communications provider, then you must provide the service to some sort of subscriber (even if it is just you) so then you become the target of all the initial obligations and liable for carrying them out. - Could cause a lot of trouble
    • This hinges on the definition of "allocation". Not sure how well this would hold up in Court (when the ISP is taken to court for not carrying out its obligations). However, it is a good example of what happens when you have an Act "debated" only briefly by people who mostly don't understand the context. - Possible, but might not hold up.
    • Comments to the second point apply here as well. Could work, but will likely be highly problematic for the unsubscriber. Also, this would only apply to some users, not all. - Problematic and limited
    • This was discussed in the Lords (should be quotes somewhere in Hansard) and there was an idea that the copyright notice count should follow you from one ISP to another. It's not explicit in the Act (from what I can see), but could be in the Code. It probably will be now. - Probably covered
    • This seems to hinge on the definition of an ISP. The definition is quite loose, and the three criteria are that they have subscribers (also defined quite loosely), they mainly or entirely provide access to the Internet and allocate IP addresses. The first and third have already been discussed, but the second might work; you'd need to find another primary business for the ISP - i.e. they sell invisible pink unicorns, but you get an Internet connection free with every monthly sale. - Could work
    • Well, this one should be a given. If they receive an invalid notice, they should delete it (or if I get my way, take action against whoever sent it). Of course, what makes it valid will be in the Code. The main criteria would be ensuring the evidence of infringement was up to standards (standards that aren't defined yet) and that whoever sent the notice actually owns the copyright. Both of these could require a lot of effort from the ISP to check. Also, if the ISP doesn't comply with the DEA, under Section 14 (2) they can be fined up to £250,000. This isn't something small ISPs are likely to mess with. Not really a loop-hole

    So, while I am impressed that at least one ISP has thoroughly read through the Act and is trying to work against it, I think their loop-holes aren't going to be that good in practice (with the one exception). Still, their draft Code seems to have highlighted many of the key points, and I hope that they will get heavily involved with the Code-drafting process.

    The best way to get around this sort of thing is to either fight for repealing the Act (so vote Pirate or Green - while the Lib Dems have said they want to repeal it, that's due to the process by which it was passed, they still seem mostly in favour of the content) or making sure that the Code approved

  • Re:Lib Dems (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Grumbleduke (789126) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:34AM (#32011914) Homepage Journal

    I think suggesting that the LibDems "stood up" to this is giving them a little more credit than they deserve. They ended up supporting it in the Lords and even adding the controversial web-censoring clause (I know they tried to get it removed, but it was too late then). As it was, only a handful (14?) of LibDem MPs turned up to vote, and even fewer made any sort of speech.

    The LibDems seem to want to repeal this mainly due to the method by which it was passed, not for the content; they claim they would "take it off the statue book and replace it with something better" - better for whom? From what I remember of their speeches in the debate, better here may be for copyright owners. This could just mean they want to remove all the loop-holes. I will not be voting LibDem next week - for other reasons as well - because I am certainly not convinced by their "promises" over the Digital Economy Act.

    Incidentally, I'm currently taking an OU law course and brought this up at one of my tutorials (a few days after it passed through the Commons) and none of the other 6 people present had even heard of the Act. The general public doesn't know - while there has been plenty of news in our section of reality, it hasn't been getting out into the rest of the country. Of course, once people start getting threatening letters, this could change, but by then it will be too late. Welcome to the British legal system.

  • by gbjbaanb (229885) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:38AM (#32011928)

    Well, if that's the case then all those peering network providers are also attempting to skirt the law.

    I could set myself up as a communicatins provider - I've thought of it actually - put a colo server in a datacentre, then offer bandwidth (and web space) to paying customers. But then, why not simply offer payign customers to use my existing bandwidth that I have at home. Its not much, so I can't see many taking my up on my offer, but as I'm offering a niche product that shouldn't be an issue.

  • by AmiMoJo (196126) <mojo@@@world3...net> on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:43AM (#32011948) Homepage

    Well I'd say that the biggest flaw is not the loopholes, it's the fact that in the end the copyright holder still has to sue the individual they suspect of copyright infringement. As yet the idea that a screenshot and IP address are enough evidence is an entirely untested one.

    There are also the human rights issues. If someone in a household does download something and gets the internet connection cut off, what about the other people who live there? Imaging being a student and not having the internet at home, preventing you from doing your work. Presumably you can't just switch ISP to get the connection back, unless they less that massive hole open too.

  • Re:Hmm... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:49AM (#32011994)

    What is funny is that with most decent wireless routers, having a public AP is easy to do too. This way, one can have their own private network that is WPA2-PSK or WPA2-Enterprise secured, but have the bandwidth they are not using open to the public.

    Apparently, this provides both plausible deniability, not to mention the carrier status. IANAL, of course.

  • by Rennt (582550) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @06:53AM (#32012020)

    Presumably you can't just switch ISP to get the connection back, unless they less that massive hole open too.

    Indeed, this is one of the holes they are exploiting: "Operating more than one retail arm selling to customers and allowing customers to migrate freely with no change to service between those retail arms, thus bypassing copyright notice counting and any blocking orders."

  • by Malc (1751) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @07:28AM (#32012232)

    Your best bet is to vote Lib-Dem this election, and suck it up until the following election. Then vote Pirate. Assumes though that the Lib-Dems will actually implement a decent form of proportional representation.

  • Re:Hmm... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tim C (15259) on Wednesday April 28 2010, @07:57AM (#32012416)

    That's very interesting indeed; I live alone, but my daughter and her mother live literally across the street, and they share my (secured) wifi connection. I most certainly am providing a service to them, and they don't even live under my roof.

  • Re:Well done (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PhilHibbs (4537) <snarks@gmail.com> on Wednesday April 28 2010, @07:58AM (#32012424) Homepage Journal

    There must be some redress that the labels can take against an ISP that is ignoring the rules. Now you can say "they aren't ignoring the rules", but the only person that can decide whether they are flouting the law or not is a judge.

  • Just out of interest, who would the rightsholder be allowed to approach (going by the DEA and AAISP's definition of 'subscriber') if the individual's personal details are suppressed?

    I think the idea here is "no one, get a warrant/subpoena". Since that information is, you know, private.

    Good on this ISP. Refreshing to see a company actually care about its customers.

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