South Park's Episode 201 — the Expurgated Version 1224
Yesterday we mentioned the controversy facing Matt Stone and Trey Parker after last week's South Park (episode 200) depicted Muhammad, founder of Islam, concealed in a bear suit.
Today, penguinman1337 writes "Apparently, all is not well over at Comedy Central. The heavily censored version of episode 201 that aired last night has a lot of people angry, including the show's creators." From their note: "In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps."
Re:You don't say (Score:5, Informative)
Because while Christians will turn the other cheek, and Buddhists likewise, Muslims will fucking kill you.
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:5, Informative)
You realize, the original episode that showed Mohammed before it wasn't cool to show Mohommed is on their website? here it is [southparkstudios.com]. Completely un-editied.
I'm expecting the 201/202 episodes to be posted the same way.
Re:Throw their weight around (Score:1, Informative)
Still, a lot of it I'm sure it based around detailed, multi-year contractual agreements between CC and SP. No network, however much they needed a show, would put themselves in a scenario where legal doesn't have final say in what gets aired.
So throwing their weight around isn't exactly the same as an at will employee threatening to quit if they don't get Hawaiian shirt Fridays.
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:3, Informative)
>>We apologize that south park studios cannot stream this episode.
Re:The terrorists have won (Score:5, Informative)
The terrorists have won.
They won on October 26, 2001, the day that George W. Bush signed the USA PATRIOT Act [wikipedia.org] into law.
Re:You don't say (Score:5, Informative)
Both of them do, actually. The Bible advocates stoning many people under various circumstances, and the Qur'an has a few specific instructions for dealing with infidels, including killing apostates.
Re:Why is Islam special? (Score:3, Informative)
Hell, in the same episode they have a "Jesus", "Moses", "Krishna", "John Smith", "Lao Tze", etc. It's not like Mohammed was singled out.
Send your complaints to Comedy Central (Score:5, Informative)
He is (Score:5, Informative)
and he is right to be afraid. even egyptian reformers were killed, just because they proposed the possibility of maaaybe reinterpreting koran with today's principles.
Re:This will kill South Park (Score:2, Informative)
But South park is written by Matt Stone and Trey Parker. It's family guy that is written by manatees.
Re:Throw their weight around (Score:3, Informative)
Saying Mohammed is not going to be judged obscene in any court in the US ... so legal's opinion in this matter is neither here nor there.
Re:Throw their weight around (Score:3, Informative)
That link doesn't support your claim. It says that the price-per-ad is higher for advertising on the Simpsons on Hulu. It does not say that the Simpsons makes comparable revenue on Hulu as on network TV. In fact, it says that the profit-per-episode-view is much higher on network TV (the revenue is 33% higher, anyway), because there are five times as many (cheaper) ads on network TV. And that doesn't speak to the overall amount of episodes viewed. Which turns out to probably be a lot less at this time judging from the percentages quoted in your article.
So let's fix your question: if the Simpsons can't even come close to the ad revenue they get on cable TV, why would you think that South Park could?
Fake Controversy (Score:3, Informative)
Revolution Muslim is a false-flag organization. Both the leaders are "supposide" Jewish converts. Here's an image of one of the leaders carrying a sign that misspells "Jews" as "Juice" (a Jew that can't spell 'Jew' correctly?)
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/death-to-the-ju.html [typepad.com] [typepad.com]
The pair is often featured on CNN and Fox News. I don't even think they have any actual followers.
There is some information collected about the pair here:
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3427255.0 [fisheaters.com] [fisheaters.com]
Re:You don't say (Score:3, Informative)
Sure, but by that same token, I seriously doubt the Koran explicitly advocates killing people indiscriminately.
It does not. It has very specific conditions which must be met to allow for the legal killing as defined by Islamic law. The problem has been, extremists, by far, stretch the conditions and ambiguity of some text to say that indiscriminate murder is demanded for anything and everything which isn't Islam.
In short, just as with any religion, you can basically divide people into two groups. Those who understand what it is they are reading and those who are fucktard, sock puppets void of any rational thought or ability to critically think for themselves.
In Islam, those who truly understand what it is they are reading, abhor violence and understand the Koran is very much against it. True followers of Islam are extremely peaceful and also accept both the Torah/Old Testament, as well as many of the Christian Gospels, as tenets of faith and articles to be read and understood. Its important to understand, Islam is entirely built on top of Judaism and Christianity. All three are considered to be religions of Abraham and worship the same god; be it Yahweh, God, or Allah.
Don't play by Comedy Central / Islam's game... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Islam is dangerous. (Score:5, Informative)
they are. but, in addition to koran, second tier of islam is mohammad's hadith, ie what he said. after that, his sunnet comes, which is the way he lived. the separations of sects in islam mainly start from that third point. some follow mohammad's life as example (sunnis) some dont. some follow his relatives (shiites). and so on. fundamentalism from koran remains same in all sects.
Re:Don't play by Comedy Central / Islam's game... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Islam is dangerous. (Score:1, Informative)
since all 4 major bibles were edited and decided upon in council of nicea in 325 ad in anatolia by the council called by byzantine emperor.
Sorry dude, this is where you lost me. You're going to have to provide a citation for this. I realize Dan Brown has a pronounced efficiency with the English language, but that doesn't mean you can take his words as truth. The First Council (325 AD) of Nicea's major contribution to Christendom was the adoption of widespread, though some of it short-lived, canon law. They also decided that Jesus Christ was the son of God. Solid, authoritative scripture was not discussed here.
Re:Ya well (Score:3, Informative)
Re:You don't say (Score:3, Informative)
Well thats the old part. I am hardly a theology scholar, but I think (could be wrong) a lot of the stuff in the new testament was ment to invalidate the old stuff, like stoning. So if someone is doing it for Jebus then they should be likewise against that stuff. If they just follow the old testament then they aren't really Christains, but that would be some valid form of religion I guess.
Maybe you should read that "new" part a little more closely:
Matthew:
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Here, Jesus is saying that he approves of the old laws (old testament), and that those laws are in place "Till heaven and earth pass". Or, as one might say "forever".
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:5, Informative)
the fucking crazy thing is (Score:5, Informative)
The guy in the bear suit wasn't even Muhammed. As became clear in episode 201, it was fucking Santa Claus. So these idiots who posted the threat on the website were essentially upset because Santa Claus was represented in a bear suit that a bunch of redheads had been tricked into believing was Muhammed. Just wrong on so many levels.
And by the way, the idiots who posted the threat really are just idiots posting on a website, not representative even of jihadist Muslims much less of mainstream or even "hardline" Muslims.
Inaccurate Summary (Score:3, Informative)
last week's South Park (episode 200) depicted Muhammad, founder of Islam, concealed in a bear suit.
This is incorrect. It was actually Santa Claus in the bear costume.
Re:Islam is dangerous. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Why THIS time Muhammed ? (Score:3, Informative)
Not to mention the fact that the super best friends episode is aired as a rerun frequently! The mental gymnastics required to reconcile that is making my head spin.
your argument is backwards (Score:5, Informative)
christians do violent things. ok. that implies what? that it is therefore ok that muslims do violent things?
the proper response is that when christians do violent things, we denounce them. and when muslims do violent things, we denounce them
your argument seems to be "because christians do violent things we can't criticize the muslims who do violent things"
bullshit. i condemn both. so stand with me and condemn these violent muslim fundamentalist assholes
Tonight on Comedy Central (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:1, Informative)
I never knew the Muslims had a Pope, and it was some nutjob kid in America with a website and a loud mouth who's not even a priest.
Re:You don't say (Score:1, Informative)
...If they just follow the old testament then they aren't really Christains....
...they're Jewish.
is this not common knowledge?
Re:You don't say (Score:4, Informative)
Nowhere did CC or Trey/Parker say that the images of Cruise or Mohammed being censored were not part of the show. It was the *auditory* censorship that was added by CC prior to airing. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the CENSORED box over Mohammed and Cruise were not part of the episode itself (without that, the point of Cruise being censored would have been weaker). I'd love to be proven wrong on this, I really would - however everything I have seen indicates that only the aural censorship was imposed by CC, and that's what the official statements I've seen have said. The only places I've seen anything saying that the black boxes were added by CC were by posts like this and unauthoritative blogs by authors who may have been equally ill-informed. I see that the parent is saying CC may have censored Cruise as a joke - but I haven't seen anything to suggest CC did that, only the beeping/aural censoring.
Like I said, I'd love to see a statement or other proof to the contrary. Either way CC toppled on this way too easily and for no reason, that argument isn't damaged by this.
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:3, Informative)
It'll be back up in about 2 weeks. They do this with all their new episodes (available right away, blocked for a couple weeks, then available again indefinitely).
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:5, Informative)
Let us say, for the sake of argument, that you live in the middle of the fucking desert a couple of thousand years ago.
You are (by accident of birth) quite high in your society's hierarchy - but a lot of things that we take for granted these days simply don't exist in the middle of this fucking desert.
There's no police force.
There's no farm subsidies (though there are farmers, it's a hard life being a farmer in the middle of a fucking desert).
The last couple of years have been tough - there's virtually no water (though the people in the next country have a number of rivers...). As a consequence, many of your people are starving.
There may or may not be such a thing as conscription, but keeping morale up in your army is damn hard. You can barely feed them, FFS.
There is precious little that would be recognised as a legal system two thousand years hence.
There's no international aid - it's every man for himself.
There's little education - those who aren't from a wealthy background (which 99% of your countrymen aren't) don't necessarily understand exactly how bad things are or how best to improve them.
What your people need to survive is some better farmland. And you know exactly what you need to get it - water. Easiest way to get this is to re-settle as many people as you can next to the neighbour's river. Your neighbour is likely to object, however, so you'll have to take it by force. How on Earth do persuade thousands of people to take up arms and invade your neighbour?
Well, like most leaders you're fundamentally a politician. Two thousand years from now you'd spin your people some line about how this neighbouring country has big scary weapons, but that doesn't work so well here because nuclear weapons aren't going to be invented for some time.
The most powerful thing you have available is your own local myths and legends - which include legends about how the world was created by an all-powerful being. Most of your people believe pretty firmly in them. So you spin them a line about how this all-powerful being has promised them the world - on condition they take on any "non-believers". And by an amazing coincidence, there's a whole bunch of non-believers in the next country.
Re:They won't back down to whacko Christian threat (Score:1, Informative)
Crusade.
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:4, Informative)
Re:You don't say (Score:3, Informative)
BILL HICKS IS A FUCKING GOD.
Right up there with Carlin, Pryor, Mooney, and Screaming Sammy :)
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I wonder how long until it "accidentally" leaks (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, I'm talking about religion in general terms.