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Groklaw Will Be Archived At Library of Congress 81

Posted by kdawson
from the history's-judgement-on-darl dept.
inode_buddha writes "Groklaw has just received an invitation to be archived in the Library of Congress. In true FOSS style, PJ has decided to ask all the contributors and commenters if they wish to be included, since commenters own the copyrights on their comments. So far, the answer seems to be 'yes,' even for Anonymous Cowards. It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person."
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Groklaw Will Be Archived At Library of Congress

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  • Congrats (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MightyMartian (840721) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @05:48PM (#31754666) Journal

    I give my congratulations to PJ. She has done a remarkable service and has proven the Internet's power for citizen advocacy, education and activism. Her success can be measured by just how much her enemies tried to, and in some cases still try to discredit her.

    • Kudos to PJ. I think it is quite well deserved.

    • I too offer my congratulations to PJ and the hard working Groklaw community. When I started reading her blog in the Spring of 2003 there was a lot of confusion as to the future of Linux and even the GPL. How a company that owed it's existence to Linux and the GPL (I'm referring to Caldera which became The SCO Group) could turn on the whole community as it did was a dark time in business.

      Of course nearly every claim was proven false (with the possible exception of errno.h and some drivers submitted by SGI, I

  • ie through a script :

    Anonymous Coward 138513

    Anonymous Coward 138514

    Anonymous Coward 138514
    ................

    Anonymous Coward whatever

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Or just prevent people contributing anonymously unless they give unconditional licence to reuse the prose, and affirm that they both own the content or have been granted permission to use it, or have fair use to it, under current copyright law.

      [This comment (c) 2010, Anonymous Coward #1123581321]

      • Or just prevent people contributing anonymously unless they give unconditional licence to reuse the prose, and affirm that they both own the content or have been granted permission to use it, or have fair use to it, under current copyright law.

        Or just apply creative commons, with an attribution state.

      • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        And what about all the people she "anonymised" when she deleted their accounts, but not their comments?

        (most notably John Gabriel, but others as well.)

      • by SmoothTom (455688)

        An additional problem with a good number of the earlier "Anonymous" posts is that they were originally owned by and identified to their copyright owners with the use of the Groklaw User IDs. In 2004, PJ went through a purge of a number of folks she disagreed with, deleted their users accounts, and all of their comments were instantly anonymized with no chance of recovery.

        PJ's essentially removing the copyright identification from those thousands of posts caused a bit of upset from those who felt that by rem

  • by bogaboga (793279) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @05:50PM (#31754678)

    I contributed several comments to Groklaw but those comments I lifted from a number of Slashdotters. How do I handle that? I just want to do the right thing.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Dynedain (141758)

      Explain that in your response to Groklaw and let them figure it out.

    • by RichardJenkins (1362463) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @07:46PM (#31756034)

      The right thing is obviously to sue the true rights holders in a protracted and monumentally expensive legal battle dragging your name through the mud and ultimately making a complete ass of yourself, after artificially inflating your stock price for a little while.

      • by RockDoctor (15477) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @10:59PM (#31757316) Journal

        The right thing is obviously to sue the true rights holders in a protracted and monumentally expensive legal battle dragging your name through the mud and ultimately making a complete ass of yourself, after artificially inflating your stock price for a little while.

        There is a man in Utah (I think) who is interested in your plan and wishes to invest his unemployment benefits in suing you for infringement of his patents. Call Darl@mcdonalds.ut.us

      • And start second version of Groklaw to cover related news and allow AC comments and ... well this can go on for ever!!!!
  • I am anonymous coward!

    Aw, hell

    And by the way, omniscient slashdot filter, I WAS YELLING

  • One LoC + x (Score:3, Funny)

    by Reason58 (775044) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @05:58PM (#31754792)
    This is going to throw off my entire measurement system. What's the size of a Groklaw so I can add that in?
  • by Angst Badger (8636) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @06:06PM (#31754918)

    It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person.

    I rather doubt many future researchers would think that "Anonymous Coward" is one person, though I can't speak for members of Congress. I can certainly imagine Ted Stevens talking about the tremendously prolific output of A. Coward flowing through a series of tubes....

  • "It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person."

    That would be one seriously disturbed person ;-) The future psychologists will have a field day analyzing this guy!

  • I hereby... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @06:13PM (#31754994)

    ... give permission for all my comments to be archived without limitations.

    Yours truly,

    Anonymous Coward

    Now slashdot won't have to worry about that in the unlikely case anybody ever finds its contents useful enough to preserve them for future generations.

  • by PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @06:19PM (#31755062)

    ... the mummified head of Daryl McBride on a pike.

    You toss in a quarter, and the head screams "I'll swallow your code! I'll swallow your code!," whilst you get to whack at it with a chainsaw and plink it with the shotgun out of the Smithsonian Housewares exhibit, and taunt it with Bruce Campbell grimaces.

  • Slashdot? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by adenied (120700) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @06:25PM (#31755140)

    Perhaps Slashdot should be included. But as a counter example.

    I keed I keed. You guys are all great! Except for the ones who aren't.

    Actually I got suckered into reading user comments on CNN.com the other day. Makes Slashdot look like powerful scholars who by all rights should be in charge of the playground. Not mopping up the melting snow with their ratty jackets.

    Damnit. I really do love you guys!

    • I can't figure out if you're at it with the Rum or the Whiskey.

    • by gangien (151940)

      Actually I got suckered into reading user comments on CNN.com the other day.

      I had this happen too. I feel your pain my /. brother.

    • Perhaps Slashdot should be included. But as a counter example.

      But then if a slashdot post refers to a Library of Congress as a unit for measuring data, that actual post will change the definition of a LoC so the LoC could never be meaningful on slashdot anymore.

  • by Curate (783077) <craigbarkhouse@hotmail.com> on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @06:38PM (#31755274)
    Does anyone know just how big the Groklaw archive is, anyway? Please answer in units of Libraries of Congresses, or LOCs. And how big will it be, in LOCs, after it gets added? And how big is the actual Library of Congress, in LOCs, both before and after the addition? I'd prefer it in metric LOCs (being Canadian), but I can convert from imperial LOCs if necessary. Thanks.
  • Censorship (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    PJ is notorious for censoring comments that she doesn't like. For instance, any reference to AllParadox will get your comment removed.

    It is PJ's blog and she can do what she likes but it isn't nearly as transparent as she would have us believe. It would be nice if they could restore the censored comments and archive those too.

  • SCO Group copyright claims:
    9th June 2003 What evidence of origin,ownership,copyright + GPL [slashdot.org]
    And soon SCO Group Vs IBM:
    12th June 2003 The Trillian Project : Proof of SCO's actions [lwn.net]

    "Now there is one element of OpenServer that is not coming over, we don't the IP, we just own all the right to distribution, ongoing development for the open server, and that has to tax and other considerations"

    Random Love, CEO Caldera, keynote address,LINUXWORLD 2000 conference, August

  • ... But who's willing to go for a name change?

    Groklaw has my ok.

  • by DodgeRules (854165) on Tuesday April 06, 2010 @08:19PM (#31756282)
    Reguarding the Anonymous Cowards comment, PJ had disabled new accounts so it is currently impossible for anyone to create one. All new users have no choice BUT to be anonymous. Some also prefer NOT to be anonymous, but their accounts were disabled/deleted because they posted a serious comment that was against popular opinion and labeled a troll. That isn't to say there aren't a lot of trolls there, because there are.
  • As an anonymous... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    It is my firm belief that all anonymous posts are public domain.

    It is precisely like someone shouting in a square -- and that's why I always choose to go anonymous.

    I want what I say to be judged on its own merits -- praised or rejected, whatever.

    That /. in practice relegated ACs to oblivion looks like totally idiotic to me (though I recognize jerks usually post anonymously)... we need a better system.

    Karma is only desired by those who must collect it with daily zeal; the truly enlightened, by the proper def

  • If future researchers decided that "Anonymous Coward" was one person, how could they help but wonder at the popularity of "Apple/Microsoft/Linux Fanboi", whom AC constantly orders to "suck this".

  • ...the library of Congress has been known to f*ck people [peikoff.com].

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