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Yale Delays Move To Gmail 176

Posted by timothy
from the but-it's-in-the-cloud dept.
Mortimer.CA writes "The Yale Daily News is reporting that the move to Gmail has been postponed. After further consultations with faculty and staff, the concerns raised 'fell into three main categories: problems with "cloud computing" (the transfer of information between virtual servers on the Internet), technological risks and downsides, and ideological issues.' In the latter category, 'Google was not willing to provide ITS with a list of countries to which the University's data could be sent [i.e., replicated], but only a list of about 15 countries to which the data would not be sent.'"
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Yale Delays Move To Gmail

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  • Re:Know what... (Score:5, Informative)

    by sopssa (1498795) * <sopssa@email.com> on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:17PM (#31692648) Journal

    It's probably most of the countries. Google has their own highly-redundancy file system that spans thousands of servers and even different datacenters and locations. Even data that is deleted could remain in the system for 9+ months. I think it's highly possible all of the data travels around the world and is stored in several locations.

  • Re:Good for them (Score:3, Informative)

    by BobPaul (710574) * on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:30PM (#31692880) Journal

    http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7190 [google.com]

    If you run a search for "sarah sextapes found" and then realize you have too many e-mails and only one you want has an attachments, go back to the search bar (which still has your filter) and add "has:attachment", then click search again.

    If you want to filter incoming e-mail, add options like "AND has:attachment" to the end of fields your already using. Such as From: "bill AND (has:attachment OR subject:more pr0n)"

  • Re:Know what... (Score:5, Informative)

    by The Angry Mick (632931) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:31PM (#31692910) Homepage

    I was just thinking the same thing. Our law firm is considering GMail as a possible alternative to Outlook/Exchange, and this is one question I know we overlooked. Most of our debate centered around a) loss of control over the data (Federal Discovery Rules), and b) privacy.

  • by eldepeche (854916) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:34PM (#31692950)

    Yeah, they just print them out and leave them in the lobby.

  • Re:RAID (Score:5, Informative)

    by bernywork (57298) <bstapletonNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:35PM (#31692980) Journal

    Sorta, Google call them shards.

    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-141569.html [zdnet.com]

    Shards can be located by different masters and different masters are located in different locations according to the data type.

    So I think Japan (That's where they just dropped their Asia - US cable after all, so it makes sense) has a "complete" replication of all Google data. Some data is also replicated to containers (YouTube etc) for hosting at major ISPs. So all email data would be replicated in non-realtime. If you request something that isn't in that DC it's located in the US or wherever is closest (I guess).

    There are multiple "complete" copies on the east and west coast as well as European hub sites or directly connected to European hub sites.

    If you ask for a citation, I can dig something up for you....

  • Re:Know what... (Score:5, Informative)

    by bernywork (57298) <bstapletonNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:42PM (#31693062) Journal

    That would be correct, if you look at their BGP advertisements it would figure that Google would have to transit it's own data.

    So if your request for data (YouTube video etc) isn't located in the DC that you connected to, they would have to transit that data across their own links. It would then make sense that they would replicate their own data over those same links during the night on that side of the world when the link is quiet.

  • Re:Know what... (Score:4, Informative)

    by timeOday (582209) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:51PM (#31693186)
    It seems like businesses aren't going to embrace cloud computing until/unless the security issues are solved. Email should be a relatively simple case, since the message content is simply copied from point A to point B and isn't processed in between. If google simply implemented client-side encryption, and opened the source for public scrutiny, it would do a lot to address these concerns. Yes, it would mess with content analysis, spam filtering, etc... but that will simply have to be accepted/paid for.
  • Re:Know what... (Score:3, Informative)

    by bernywork (57298) <bstapletonNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:56PM (#31693274) Journal

    IANAL but if you then accessed / distibuted that in the US you could be in trouble. Given that your data wouldn't be re-assembled (And certainly not in your possession) till you accessed it in The Netherlands you should be fine. Aside from plausible deniability and all that.

    Honestly, I would be more worried about the UK:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/24/extreme_pron_law_live/ [theregister.co.uk]

  • Re:Know what... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Brett Buck (811747) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @05:02PM (#31693372)

    They might claim it, but that doesn't make it so.

     

  • Re:Know what... (Score:3, Informative)

    by PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @05:50PM (#31693928)

    When I hear that name, I think of an American magazine for teenage girls.

    It's a Dutch magazine for men who like teenage girls.

    Although, I'd wager that most of the "girls" have been around the track a few times since the last time that they were "teens" . . . or that anyone called them "girls," for that matter.

  • by anderiv (176875) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @08:14PM (#31695618)

    We're going through this same conversation at my employer (a higher-ed liberal arts university). This article came up yesterday in my team, and we had a bit of a discussion about it. Here's the email I sent out to the group about the article and Yale's decision. Hopefully this will help to clear up some of the misinformation in the article.

    > Several members of the committee thought ITS had made the decision
    > to move to Gmail too quickly and without University approval, Fischer
    > said.

    Well yah, of course that's going to be a problem.

    > Google stores every piece of data in three centers randomly chosen
    > from the many it operates worldwide in order to guard the company’s
    > ability to recover lost information — but that also makes the data
    > subject to the vagaries of foreign laws and governments"

    Several other schools have fought this fight with Google and have gotten
    them to agree that all of their data will stay in the country.

    > Under the proposed switch, Yale might lose control over its data

    No, No, No. Google makes it very clear to its customers that the data is
    always "owned" by the customer.

    > or could seem to endorse Google corporate policy and the large
    > carbon footprint left by the company’s massive data centers

    For many years, Google has been a pioneer in building efficient, green
    datacenters. I guarantee you that proportionally-speaking, Yale's
    segment of Google's network has a *much* smaller carbon footprint than
    Yale's self-hosted system.

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