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Will Australia Follow China's Google Ban? 280

gadgetopia writes "A news report in Forbes says that China has blocked Google with its great firewall; now the world waits to see if Australia's Minister for Censorship, Senator Stephen Conroy, will do the same following his outrageous attacks on Google."
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Will Australia Follow China's Google Ban?

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  • by quarrel ( 194077 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:07PM (#31672350)

    Politics might be stupid in Australia, like lots of places. But no, it won't go the same was as China.

    We have transparency and rule of law.

    However fucked out Communications Minister might be.

    --Q

  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:09PM (#31672378) Journal

    Only a matter of time until the former discredits himself like the latter did. His railing against Google makes him sound foolish.

  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:12PM (#31672430) Journal

    >>>rule of law.

    "What's that?" - leader
    "No clue." - other leader

  • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:16PM (#31672504) Journal

    Let's hope that his "McCarthy" moment comes soon. Unfortunately these kinds of delusional windbags are all too often give far too much rope, and while their fall is spectacular, there are a lot of casualties along the way.

  • by copponex ( 13876 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:20PM (#31672584) Homepage

    >>>rule of law.

    "What's that?" - leader
    "No clue." - other leader

    "Well, fuck off then." -voter in next election*

    *only valid in literate and civically active cultures

  • by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:20PM (#31672592)

    It took around a decade to discredit McCarthyism, and there's a small but significant group of right wing pundits who still defend him. While waiting for people like this to self destruct, it's important do your part and give them a good shove in that direction whenever possible.

  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:22PM (#31672632)
    At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I should point out that Germany before the 1930's was almost unquestionably the most academically and intellectually sophisticated country in the world. If you had went back to Germany in the 20's and told them that within 20 years, their country would elect one of the most intolerant demagogues and world history as dictator and begin systematically committing the genocide of a sizable portion of their population, they would have laughed at the thought. We always like to think that we're above devolving into brutality, oppression, and totalitarianism; but things can fall apart amazingly fast once you start heading down a certain road. I wouldn't just dismiss it so casually.
  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:23PM (#31672648) Journal

    Most voters don't know what rule of law is either.
    Look how many of them think the Constitution is just a piece of paper,
    and therefore Parliament can do whatever it wants.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:25PM (#31672680)

    In the US they have transparency and the rule of law also. Problem is their government refuses to enforce the laws and claims national security trumps transparency.

    Good Luck to us all Mate

  • by Colonel Korn ( 1258968 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:28PM (#31672748)

    It took around a decade to discredit McCarthyism, and there's a small but significant group of right wing pundits who still defend him. While waiting for people like this to self destruct, it's important do your part and give them a good shove in that direction whenever possible.

    A new generation of McCarthy sympathizers is possible, given that the Texas textbook requirements have now been revised to show McC in a positive light.

  • Re:I would (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:40PM (#31672958)

    What about censorship of political, religious, and controversial viewpoints? This is about Freedom of expression and Freedom of communication more than it is about any single issue. If the blocking were voluntary so that people could decide individually if their internet should be censored, I could understand. If the black list were publicly available so that people inside and outside the country could audit what is being blocked, I could maybe understand. If the previously leaked block list hadn't included material that they had claimed wasn't going to be blocked, I could maybe, just possibly agree with you.

    As it stands, you have a government organization which will have the ability to block any website that they want without warning or explanation. There will be no way for people inside the firewall to know what is and what isn't being blocked. And said government organization has already been shown to be either incompetent or nefarious regarding what is being added to the blacklist. It's a bad situation, and it in fact does trample on human rights.

  • specifically (Score:4, Insightful)

    when your economy is trashed by greedy speculation then fear and hysteria. that's what sent germany to the dogs: the great depression, the collapse of the financial world

    aka, what the world just experiences in 2008 (on a much smaller scale, true)

    but this historical parallel leads us to four observations:

    1. the angry tea partiers, with their brick throwing and insane murderous anger, IS kristallnacht, on a smaller scale

    2. intolerant deluded propagandized fools hording guns in the woods are the seeds of fascism, NOT our protectors from fascism

    3. we need strong government regulation in the financial sector, and the assholes (greenspan and co) who dismantled the 1930s era (irony) protections need to be grilled a la congressional hearings and roundly castigated for their dangerous irresponsibility

    4. hopefully the world, and the usa, can weather this horde of angry morons out of work, the seeds of fascism, without them crystallizing around some modern day hitler-like demagogue and mounting a political (and visceral: they love guns) challenge to civilization. and then let the retards fade away into history

    interesintg note: many tea partiers receive government benefits (unemployment, medicaid)... while they rail against government aid. they go to tea party rallies... instead of looking for work. fucking ignorant hypocrites

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/politics/28teaparty.html [nytimes.com]

  • by Mindcontrolled ( 1388007 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @12:59PM (#31673358)
    I am not sure if that is completely right. Sure, Germany in the 20s was on the one hand a academically and intellectually sophisticated country. On the other hand, it was a severely torn country, with large parts of the population not standing behind the transition from monarchy to democracy, a hugely polarized political scene with fighting between communists and fascists on the streets - a pressure cooker waiting for the lid to blow. That is probably actually one of the reasons for the vibrant cultural scene of the 20s, everything being overheated, everything being in overdrive. I am pretty sure that there was a significant percentage at least of the intellectual groups of Germany's society in the 20s who would not have dismissed your prediction, who felt that there was an explosion to come.
  • Re:I would (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jandrese ( 485 ) <kensama@vt.edu> on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @01:15PM (#31673654) Homepage Journal

    I don't think anyone would be claiming that actually Google are fighting the good fight for internet freedom

    That's exactly what we're claiming. Google believes that information should be free, not controlled by those in power for their own ends, and it has shown a willingness to fight for that freedom.

    Before you say "But it's only kiddy porn!" just ask yourself how often bad and self serving legislation is passed under the mantra that it's "for the children"?

  • Re:I would (Score:2, Insightful)

    by dwandy ( 907337 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @01:25PM (#31673816) Homepage Journal

    If I ran a country

    There's the problem right there: In a free society it's supposed to be a stewardship, not a dictatorship.
    I highly doubt most citizens of a free country want their government to restrict where they can go online, much less censor via a secret list.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @01:49PM (#31674250)

    If you had went back to Germany in the 20's and told them that within 20 years, their country would elect one of the most intolerant demagogues and world history as dictator and begin systematically committing the genocide of a sizable portion of their population, they would have laughed at the thought.

    They might not have expected actual genocide (I mean, no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition), but Weimar Germany was never a stable polity and everyone knew it. There was a monarchy before the war, which might not be Slashdot's favorite form of government, but it only got worse thereafter. The Kaiser's abdication in 1918 was immediately followed by violence in the streets between leftists and nationalists (who eventually all threw in their lot with the Nazis). There was even a short-lived "People's Republic of Bavaria" around this time, as well as the founding of the Nazi party itself. The various rebellions were eventually put down and replaced by the perpetually weak Weimar Republic, but they continued to operate. The brutal provisions of the Versailles treaty kept the country in a state of perpetual depression throughout the twenties (the famous hyperinflation was in 1923), causing widespread political discontent, characterized by street fights between socialists and nationalists. The government was already harassing leftist media outlets by the late 20's, before the Nazis even took power.

    They might have been intellectually sophisticated, but politically and economically sophisticated they were not. I know Australia and the UK hate freedom a lot, so I'm not saying it couldn't happen there, but the situation in Weimar Germany is really not at all comparable.

  • Re:specifically (Score:2, Insightful)

    by frog_strat ( 852055 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @01:59PM (#31674430)
    The Tea Partiers are right when they say power corrupts and we should be wary of it concentrating too much in the govt. But why are they blind to the same thing happening with corporations ? It is just as bad or worse.
  • Re:specifically (Score:2, Insightful)

    by pitchpipe ( 708843 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @02:16PM (#31674696)

    IMHO, Tea Partiers are the ones trying to stop the full-on march to fascism, not create it. You can not create a fascist government regime by campaigning to strip the government of power! That's just stupid. Look to the ones trying to collect government power.

    So which is it: are they trying to stop Communism [wikipedia.org] or Fascism [wikipedia.org]? Because it seems to me that they are equated in the minds of the Teabaggers.

    I think what they are really trying to do is stop a black man from governing as President.

  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @02:53PM (#31675186) Journal
    It took a decade, but times have changed. Information moves a lot more quickly these days, so I don't think it would take nearly as long to discredit a modern-day McCarthy. Remember that a lot of the support for McCarthyism fell away after the McCarthy hearings were actually broadcast, and people could see what was actually going on. That's where we got the quote, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" It would be much harder for a modern day McCarthy to do something similar.

    McCarthyism was a matter of a power hungry person taking advantage of a real threat to increase his own personal power. It isn't a new thing, and has happened from time to time since the beginning of the country [wikipedia.org], and whenever it has happened, Americans have opposed it as soon as they realized what was going on. The solution is an alert and informed populace, and the result of the modern speed of communication can be seen in that Bush's attempt to consolidate power (based on the real threat of terrorism) was not nearly as horrible as McCarthy's or the federalists'.

    On the other hand, if the population supports the power-hungry, then no amount of information will limit them. Fortunately for the US, the vast majority of Americans oppose this sort of thing when they are able to see it for what it is. I suspect Australians are the same.
  • First they came... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by foxylad ( 950520 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @04:15PM (#31676600) Homepage

    First they blocked the child porn sites,
    and I didn't speak up because I abhore child abuse.

    Then they blocked all gay sex sites,
    and I didn't speak up because I'm not gay.

    Then they blocked all the sites that support terrorists,
    and I didn't speak up because I forgot that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

    Then they blocked all porn sites,
    and I didn't speak up because I like my sex real.

    Then they blocked all the all political sites,
    and I didn't speak up because who reads those things anyway?

    Then they blocked all the web sites complaining about the blocking,
    and I couldn't speak up.

    (Apologies to Martin Niemöller)

  • No. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jibjibjib ( 889679 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @05:28PM (#31677912) Journal
    Our Minister for communications etc. might be an idiot, but we're still a developed Western democracy in which the majority of the population have internet access and Google has most of the search engine market share. Blocking Google would be the end of this government and the internet filter; not a single voter would support it.
  • more than they fear morons running around with guns?

    its a serious, honest question

    i for one would gladly outlaw guns. the result? lots less senseless deaths. increase in risk of fascism? zero

    guns are not the salvation from, nor the guard against, a descent into fascism. fascism does not derive from a gunfight, nor is some gunfight going to save us from fascism. its some sort of boyscout fantasy

    indeed, if anything, if fascism comes to the usa, ti will be born of the same paranoid rantings of psychotics hording guns in the woods

    put it this way: if you trust to guns, more than you trust to words, that shows the extent of your commitment to civil democratic values

    guns are incompatible with democracy. they do not underpin it, they threaten it

    if the noble experiment known as the united states ever comes to an end, it will done at the hands of armed factions, it will not be saved by such visceral forces

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