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Australia Censorship

Pirate Party Pillages Private Papers 210

David Crafti writes "Pirate Party Australia has made the move to host the recently leaked ACTA document in order to highlight the lack of government transparency in the negotiation process. We believe that the document is not under copyright, and we are not party to any NDAs, so there should be no restriction on us posting it. We would like to see what the government (any government) tries to do about it. If it turns out that there is some reason that we have to take it down, then we will, but if this happens, it will only validate the document's authenticity."
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Pirate Party Pillages Private Papers

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  • by kabloom ( 755503 ) on Monday March 29, 2010 @09:48AM (#31656348) Homepage

    They should read it into the record of any parliament that they have seats in -- legislators (at least in the US, and I assume other countries too) have immunity from arrest for speech made as part of their legislative business. If they desire to declassify this information, then doing it in a way that's clearly part of their legislative business is the best way to keep the information public.

  • by Tsian ( 70839 ) on Monday March 29, 2010 @10:11AM (#31656682) Homepage

    And admire their resolve to make the treaty public -- indeed I am curious to see what it contains.

    However, I wonder if parliamentary decorum doesn't traditionally restrict public discussion of issues currently up for debate...

    Just because it is an unwritten rule does not mean it should be casually ignored... as much as we might disagree with the end results.

  • by KDR_11k ( 778916 ) on Monday March 29, 2010 @10:54AM (#31657246)

    I'm always of the opinion that making copyright "use it or lose it" would work best for encouraging the creation of creative works (if making a sequel or such counts as using the IP, the original work will sooner or later run out of sales potential and if they want to keep the IP they've gotta make another work with it) as well as preservation of older works.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 29, 2010 @10:55AM (#31657260)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by headkase ( 533448 ) on Monday March 29, 2010 @11:21AM (#31657682)
    I disagree. Not that there shouldn't be any copyright but that I disagree that the only voices that are heard are copyright maximalists and their voice is taken as gospel by government. It would take a fool to think that anyone is looking out for their best interests. What I am advocating is going with the spirit of the original deal not subvert it away through back-room deals until it doesn't have any meaning anymore. Are we a culture of jackals seeking to maximize everything for ourself? Or a people vibrant in evangelizing our ideas to every corner of this world?
  • Prove it! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dogbertius ( 1333565 ) on Monday March 29, 2010 @11:47AM (#31658090)
    Seeing as those involved with ACTA don't exactly have too much credibility in the eye of the public, how are they to "prove" the document has been doctored without releasing their original copy? Even better is the fact that those involved with ACTA could simply change it and re-release it themselves, claiming that this new "people-friendly" version is the true original. Since there's no effective time stamp as the original document was never released, the only credible source appears to be those that went out of their way to leak the document in the first place. Check!
  • by Omestes ( 471991 ) <omestes@gmail . c om> on Monday March 29, 2010 @12:57PM (#31659000) Homepage Journal

    Maybe the same people who claimed to believe in the Jedi religion on the national census (Google it if you don't believe) will vote for them?

    If there was such an entity as the Pirate Party, and it was possible for them to actually be represented, in the U.S., I would vote for them, even if they are a one cause "gimmick" party.

    Why? Because they at least would represent one area of the things I care about. Yes, members of both current parties generally have one area (at least) I agree with too, but generally they offset this by having a giant stock of ideas I find repugnant.

    With a one trick pony, I avoid this. With enough of them, you might get a whole horse.

  • by Mr. Slippery ( 47854 ) <.tms. .at. .infamous.net.> on Monday March 29, 2010 @01:43PM (#31659672) Homepage

    Additionally, while I agree with shorter copyright limits, one could make the argument that infinitely-long copyrights are better for society than no copyrights.

    No, not if one understands human history one can't. Humans created art before copyright, and some of those works have come down to us today. Meanwhile, existing copyright is preventing the preservation of existing works [boingboing.net].

    and without copyrights, there is no good economic model for the production of a lot of new work.

    Sure there are. There's various forms of patronage, there's government-funded production (which is no more an intervention into the "free market" than copyright is), and there's my favorite, royalty-right: anyone can copy a work for free, but commercial use -- selling copies or derivative works -- requires payment of a royalty. (Modeled on songwriter royalties: sing in the shower all you want, but sing at the bar to bring in more customers, and the songwriter gets their nickel.)

  • by jmorris42 ( 1458 ) * <jmorris&beau,org> on Monday March 29, 2010 @07:19PM (#31663844)

    I'm pondering.... The document says it is "confidential" not "classified" so I'm sitting here reasoning that if the NY Times can publish classified (and weren't some marked Top Secret) war documents then I outta be able to get away with mirroring a copy of this here in the US of A. The fun part is I'd do it on my homepage hosted on a public library's site and equipment. Now the way I see it one of three results are possible.

    1. I get shipped off a federal pen and buggered for the next ten years or more. This outcome would be bad but is it a realistic risk?

    2. I get a take down notice. I comply. :) And then we find out if the EFF is done with insane BDS ravings and ready to actually defend the online world from a real out of control Justice Dept. After all, news of the takedown and the legal wrangling would create far more interest in the document than it would ever get on a crappy homepage that hasn't even been updated for a while. Imagine the public relations nightmare Holder would be walking into! After almost eight years of deranged ravings about Bushitler's Justice Dept wanting to violate all sorts of fundemental rights at libraries, or hell just shutting them down or something because he was such an unhoopy frood and all, to now have them forced to take on the Obama Justice Dept for a real attack on a library would be so much fun to watch. Always good when you can cause chaos in the camp of one's foes AND strike a blow for Freedom at the same time. This scenario has so much potential for an Epic Win I can't imagine it actually happening.

    3. Which leads to the more probable option: Nothing happens. Oh well, try again.

    I really can't see any risk of #1 but before I actually do it I figure it is worth tossing the idea out for comment first.

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