House Passes Massive Medical Insurance Bill, 219-212 2424
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The votes are in: yesterday evening, after a last-minute compromise over abortion payments, the US House of Representatives narrowly passed a bill effecting major changes in American medical finance. From the BBC's coverage: "The president is expected to sign the House-passed Senate bill as early as Tuesday, after which it will be officially enacted into law. However, it will contain some very unpopular measures that Democratic senators have agreed to amend. The Senate will be able to make the required changes in a separate bill using a procedure known as reconciliation, which allows budget provisions to be approved with 51 votes - rather than the 60 needed to overcome blocking tactics." No Republican voted in favor of the bill; 34 Democrats voted against. As law, the system set forth would extend insurance coverage to an estimated 32 million Americans, impose new taxes on high-income earners as well as provide some tax breaks and subsidies for others, and considerably toughen the regulatory regime under which insurance companies operate. The anticipated insurance regime phases in (starting with children, and expanding to adults in 2014) a requirement that insurance providers accept those with preexisting conditions, and creates a system of fines, expected to be administered by the IRS, for those who fail or refuse to obtain health insurance.
Expensive (Score:1, Funny)
This Bill will cause Billing
Re:Pro / cons (Score:4, Funny)
The pros are the government gets to tell us even moreso what to do while extorting even more in the form of taxes.
The cons are the government gets to tell us even moreso what to do while extorting even more in the form of taxes.
Re:Jobs killing bill (Score:1, Funny)
The jobs killing bill just passed.
Don't worry, I am sure he could have got his liver transplant under the new scheme too. It would be nice if more people without corporate jets were able to benefit from that, but I don't think it will reduce red tape by that much.
Re:Pro / cons (Score:5, Funny)
From the U.S. population point of view - there are very few people that seem to be against reform.
This bill in particular has basically been a power play between the two big parties if I understand correctly.
It didn't really pan out brilliantly for either side - the Republicans get egg on their face because the other side got their bill through anyway, whilst the Democrats didn't really get the thing they wanted because they watered down their original bill to try and get Republican support.
The lead up to why this silly thing got pushed through can basically be summarised as follows (stolen from Digg - it's a great summation):
Democrats: "We need health care reform"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Give us a majority and we'll do it better"
Democrats: "Done, you have majority of both houses"
12 years later, health care is irrefutably worse in every respect for every single person in the United States
Democrats: "We need health care reform"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Americans are tired of partisan politics!"
Democrats: "OK, let's compromise"
Republicans: "OK, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done. Time to end debate"
Republicans: "Too liberal, we need more debate, we will filibuster to prevent you from voting"
Democrats: "OK, we'll vote--sorry guys, debate is ended. It's time to vote on the bill"
Republicans: "Too liberal, we vote no"
Democrats: "OK, it passed anyway--sorry guys."
One month later
Republicans: "Wait--wait, OK, we have less of a minority now so we can filibuster forever."
Democrats: "Sorry, the bill already passed, we need it to pass the House now"
Republicans: "But we have enough to filibuster"
Democrats: "Sorry, the bill already passed, we need it to pass the House now"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You haven't listened to our ideas! You've shut us out of this whole process!"
Democrats: "Sorry, show us your proposal"
Republicans: "Smaller government"
Democrats: "That's not very specific"
Republicans: "OK, here's our detailed proposal--It's our common-sense ideas we spent 12 years not enacting"
Democrats: "OK, we'll add a bunch more of your ideas"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You included all these back-room deals"
Democrats: "OK, we'll get rid of the back-room deals"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You're using obscure procedural tricks to eliminate the back-room deals!"
Democrats: "No, we're using reconciliation, which both parties have used dozens of times for much larger bills"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You're pressuring Congressmen to vote for your bill! Scandal!"
Democrats: "It's called 'whipping', it's been done since 1789"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Can't you see the American people don't want this?"
Democrats: "This bill is mildly unpopular (40-50%), doing nothing (your proposal) is extraordinarily unpopular (4-6%)"
Republicans: "We need to start over! We need to start over!"
Democrats: "We should really consider voting--"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Start over! Clean slate! Common-sense! America!"
Democrats: "OK, suit yourselves, here it comes"
Year of the Monkey (Score:2, Funny)
The US was 'Born' a Monkey.
Monkeys are crafty, crazy, explosive, clever little bastards. Simple and clean just isn't fun enough. It's ONLY fun when somebody loses an eye!
So of course you're going to get a screw-ball health system which is hopelessly messed up. Monkeys are insane. They deserve the misery they create for themselves.
So, yeah, nice job.
The U.S. took a ridiculously simple concept and made it unbelievably complex and punishing.
BTW, Canada is a "Rabbit" --Cordial, diplomatic, comfy, but fundamentally selfish, and smart enough to slip it all past the radar with a smile.
Rabbits piss me off almost as much as Monkeys. Those selfish rodents will be your friend until there's no room in the life boat.
The West deserves itself.
-FL
Re:health insurance is like auto insurance now (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but you're all communists living under oppressive regimes that stifle individual creativity and deny people the impetus and ability to make the use of their God-given talents, instead encouraging laziness and crime.
Re:Hoorah! (Score:1, Funny)
I concur though, welcome to the civilised world, America!
Re:health insurance is like auto insurance now (Score:4, Funny)
I live in Belgium, where we have health insurance and auto insurance and bicycles and none of the problems you imply. My parents live in Spain and also none f those issues. My sister in Germany? No problems there.
Yes, but on the other hand, you and your family then spend an inordinate sum on train fares whenever you wish to get together for holidays.
Erm, what were we talking about again?
Re:The only thing missing... (Score:3, Funny)
Only when it adopts a wide stance in an airport bathroom.
Re:health insurance is like auto insurance now (Score:1, Funny)
Absolutely! If I am rich I deserve far more rights than 'ordinary' people. After all, GOD gave me the money. It's not like I used tax laws, investment laws, government business incentives, and every other loop-hole created by the government to gain money. No, GOD himself came down and handed me a bag of shekels. GOD bless America!
Re:health insurance is like auto insurance now (Score:3, Funny)
Here in the states, you gotta spend roughly 20k per year in order to send your kids to college.
And if they want a job when they graduate, you have to spend $40k a year.
/currently living this
Re:Unintended consequences? (Score:4, Funny)
Realize that Costa Rica has public heath care. Rush is a drug abusing idiot.
Re:Hoorah! (Score:2, Funny)
It's true that this is a positive development, but it's only a good first step in America's bid to catch up with the rest of the civilised world. Congratulations, Americans! Here are some more issues you can work on:
I'll get back to you if I think of anything else.