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Officers Lose 243 Homeland Security Guns 125

In a screw up so big it could only be brought to you by the government or a famous athlete, 243 guns were lost by Homeland Security agencies between 2006 and 2008. 179 guns, were lost "because officers did not properly secure them," an inspector general report said. One of the worst examples of carelessness cites a customs officer who left a firearm in an idling vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store. The vehicle was stolen while the officer was inside. "A local law enforcement officer later recovered the firearm from a suspected gang member and drug smuggler," the report said.

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  • Uh.. what? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by CerebusUS ( 21051 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @02:52PM (#31202240)

    by the government of a famous athlete

    I'm sure you had a joke in there that you were dying to get out, but this makes less than no sense.

  • by jhoegl ( 638955 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @03:12PM (#31202390)
    Yup, we all do stupid things. Lose our car keys, forget to lock up our guns, dont wear a condom...

    Oh, but when it comes to a cop, they better be more than perfect.

    Just the other day a 3 year old shot themselves while attempting to get a gun from under their grandmothers couch.
    So... yeah. If anything this just shows they need better weapons handling training. What? You think this was the first time someone did something stupid with a gun?
  • by PoderOmega ( 677170 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @03:27PM (#31202608)
    I understand your point regarding incompetence, but the only reason we know about this is because this is a government agency. If it was private company the public would have no idea. You could make an argument regarding hiring standards between the government and private companies, but based on my experience private companies hire lazy and incompnent employees as well. Where is the public report from a Health Care company where mistakes cost hundreds of premium paying customers money or time to recoupe money due to sloppiness on the insurance company? Or worse, where are the reports where people were delayed necessary procedures? You won't see it because it is a private company. I agree the government may not do a great job managing heathcare, but this is not a valid example.
  • by qzak ( 1115661 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @03:31PM (#31202642)
    You'll have to explain to me how losing a statistically insiginficant number of weapons constitutes proof of government incompetence. Not that I necessarily assume the government is competent, mind you, but losing 250 out of a total number of guns that must be in the hundreds of thousands doesn't constitute 'proof' of anything.
  • Re:Statistics (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 6ULDV8 ( 226100 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @03:42PM (#31202812)

    How about looking at personal responsibility and labeling the individual as at fault. If you do that, your statistics will mean more. One officer was issued two weapons and lost one.

  • by TheCarp ( 96830 ) <sjc.carpanet@net> on Friday February 19, 2010 @04:24PM (#31203430) Homepage

    Well, we all also do illegal things, but you best be extra perfect in front of a cop. All you need to do is one illegal thing in front of a cop, and he will gladly do his job and process you into the system for punishment. Why should hey get a break when he gets caught slipping?

    -Steve

  • The Dems don't understand business and the private sector; they don't understand what actually generates wealth in this country because they themselves are destroyers, not creators, of wealth
     
    Interesting idea when you consider the largest destroyers of wealth are in New York City on Wall Street, rather than in Washington DC. But those of us in the know, know that the Dems and Reps all have their campaigns paid by Goldman Sachs anyway.
     
    To understand power in the United States, don't follow government. Follow the money.

  • Re:Too big to fail (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lithdren ( 605362 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @04:27PM (#31203484)
    ...Because a 0.09% rate of failure isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
  • Re:Statistics (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mjwalshe ( 1680392 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @04:28PM (#31203498)
    well you need to compare this to the army and the average loss rate in the general population
  • Re:Too big to fail (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Abcd1234 ( 188840 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @04:45PM (#31203816) Homepage

    No one else has proven capable.

    Next question?

  • Re:Statistics (Score:4, Insightful)

    by blueZ3 ( 744446 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @05:39PM (#31204556) Homepage

    I think you'd find the loss rate in the Army vanishingly small. The kinds of punishment a cop gets for misplacing a weapon pale beside what they can do to a soldier losing a rifle.

    For a good number of years I was the company armorer and ran the company arms room when I was in the Army and we never lost a weapon--because every soldier knows what will happen to him if he loses his rifle, and every sergeant knows what will happen to him if his troop loses it, and so on up the chain.

    I doubt any of the DHS employees got more than a wrist-slap

  • by Abcd1234 ( 188840 ) on Friday February 19, 2010 @05:45PM (#31204650) Homepage

    We're human beings. We're flawed. We do that sort of thing. Some leave their coffees, their groceries, or even their CHILDREN on top of their cars when they drive off. Some forget to take the iron off the board when they leave and their house burns down. Some forget to put the bar in the window and their child falls out when the screen gives way. Some turn around to talk to their kid about some detail of the day and drift in front of a semi. And none of us are immune to this sort of thing.

    No. But you also don't have dumbasses excusing this behaviour, saying moronic things like "Yup, we all do stupid things. Lose our car keys, forget to lock up our guns, dont wear a condom...", as if any of those things is even remotely equivalent to losing a firearm or leaving their child on the top of their car.

    Just like idiot parents should be reprimanded severely for leaving their kid on the top of their car and driving off (an action which, I'm certain, would wind you up in court for charges of negligence), cops should be reprimanded severely for losing their firearms. Period. No if's, and's, or but's. It's inexcusable behaviour from someone entrusted with my life, not to mention a dangerous weapon.

  • by CodeBuster ( 516420 ) on Saturday February 20, 2010 @01:35AM (#31208076)

    but based on my experience private companies hire lazy and incompnent employees as well.

    This is true, but there is one key difference between private businesses and the government. If a private business hires bad employees and operates inefficiently it goes out of business (or at least it should, provided that the government doesn't bail them out). The government, on the other hand, cannot go out of business or disappear; it usually takes a very protracted period of bad performance for governments to be finally shown the door. Also, we can choose not to patronize bad businesses, but taxes are not optional. These are a few of the key differences between private businesses and government.

  • by CodeBuster ( 516420 ) on Saturday February 20, 2010 @01:40AM (#31208102)

    To understand power in the United States, don't follow government. Follow the money.

    and where does all of that money lead? It says "federal reserve note" right on each bill. The government ultimately controls the money supply and the fact that Wall Street went to Washington for their bailouts demonstrates that the government is still master of the money supply; the source from which all credit flows.

The use of money is all the advantage there is to having money. -- B. Franklin

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