ACTA Document Leaks With Details On Mexico Talks 87
An anonymous reader writes "A brief
report
from the European Commission authored by Pedro Velasco Martins (an EU
negotiator) on the most recent round of ACTA negotiations in
Guadalajara, Mexico has leaked, providing new
information on the
substance of the talks, how countries are addressing the transparency
concerns, and plans for future negotiations. The document notes
that governments are planning a counter-offensive to rebut claims of
iPod-searching border guards and mandatory three-strikes policies."
Re:Sounds on the up and up (Score:5, Insightful)
I wouldn't relax yet. A controlled leak to discredit critics is quite likely.
Re:Sounds on the up and up (Score:3, Insightful)
That's the problem with conspiracy theories - there is no real way to tell about these until more evidence surfaces or the entire thing is revealed.
I mean, I agree, it would make a lot of sense for them to 'leak' this kind of info, to help qualm all the clammer about it.
However, the only evidence to support them doing so is just that it would be a good idea for them to do so.
So you can never really tell. I'm not betting on one or the other just yet.
show me what's on the table (Score:5, Insightful)
Solution (Score:4, Insightful)
Same old stuff (Score:1, Insightful)
So its still a one sided document being written up by those in the big industries and no input from anybody this document will most likely effect, the people. They are trying to control and impact technologies they don't understand in the least. I mean if they actually had real knowledge of the technology they were trying to control they would realize that they should be using this to their advantage instead of trying to stop it.
Re:Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
I think the thing here is this is a copyright treaty, they talk about secrecy being required for national security and I just don't see how debate about copyright law being public could possibly pose a clear and present danger.
The opacity of this whole process is proof enough that its not expected to be a popular body of law and probably is does not promote the general welfare but rather those of specific few. I don't think we need to see whats in to be opposed.
Re:Sounds on the up and up (Score:5, Insightful)
Really? What exactly does "ACTA" stand for again? Oh right - "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement". Which means that they should be talking about counterfeiting, right?
So tell me - in a trade agreement that is supposed to deal with counterfeiting, why are they talking about penalties for file sharing?
Now, if it was dealing with mass for-profit media duplication with the intent of passing off the product as the original, that would make sense.. but they're not. The discussions are about "three strikes" and other bullshit to combat file sharing.
What exactly does file sharing have to do with counterfeiting?
Re:Sounds on the up and up (Score:5, Insightful)
They equate it all under the umbrella of IP enforcement. They're talking about counterfeit goods (trademark violation), not counterfeit currency.
In my opinion, if you consider getting digital material from a non-official source, its still the same material. Its copyright infringement, not counterfeiting.
They want to label it all counterfeiting because it is much harder to take a reasonable stance against counterfeiting. Its victory by redefinition.
-molo
Re:Sounds on the up and up (Score:4, Insightful)
Really? What exactly does "ACTA" stand for again?
Anti-Consumer Trade Agreement
Re:why wont this one world order (Score:4, Insightful)
The biggest problem with 'one world order': Where does one go when they don't agree to the policies set forth by the one world order? What if I want to smoke a joint but it'll mean the death sentence if I do? What if they start basing their laws on Christian teachings, but I'm not Christian? What if I want to start a business somewhere the won't require me to hire equal numbers of all different races? I can't, because if the one world order decides it should be, then the world will be just that.
I don't mind countries forming defensive pacts or trade agreements. What I do mind is letting the people that can profit from those laws decide what should go in them.
Re:Solution (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:show me what's on the table (Score:2, Insightful)
Here's an easy fix. STOP STEALING SHIT! If people would stop stealing shit like a serial rapist, they wouldn't feel the need to lock things down as if it were their daughter's chastity.
If people weren't pirating the shit the companies would still pretend they did because pirates are an easy way to claim that your product is appealing and you only need some technical measures to increase your revenue instead of admitting that the appeal of your product is limited and you need to branch out to see any further increase in revenue.
Treason (Score:3, Insightful)
Secret laws are a slippery slope that eventually encourage lawlessness and act against the interests of the citizenry. Why should any citizen obey the laws they do know, if they can always be punished severely for breaking laws they aren't permitted to know about? It's unconstitutional in most places, and especially the US that is founded on rule "by the people for the people". Anyone enacting these laws should be brought up on charges of treason, as should anyone attempting to enforce them. Quite ironically, there are probably anti-terror laws that apply too.