Follow Slashdot blog updates by subscribing to our blog RSS feed

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Television The Courts

Will Your Super Bowl Party Anger the Copyright Gods? 560

garg0yle writes "According to some folks, watching the Super Bowl on a television bigger than 55 inches is illegal. Is this true? Yes and no — long story short, if you're in a private residence you're probably okay, but if you're running a sports bar you may technically have to negotiate a license with the NFL. Just don't charge for food, or call it a 'Super Bowl' party, since the term itself is copyright."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Will Your Super Bowl Party Anger the Copyright Gods?

Comments Filter:
  • Old news (Score:5, Informative)

    by eihab ( 823648 ) * on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:11PM (#30984880)

    We talked about this two years ago [slashdot.org]. Copyright still sucks, nothing new here.

    P.S.: Amazingly, that was on February, 2nd 2008. I wonder if we will be talking about Yahoo considering an alliance with Google [slashdot.org] tomorrow!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:13PM (#30984912)

    ...call it a 'Super Bowl' party, since the term itself is copyright.

    Summary fail. Perhaps you mean trademark?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:22PM (#30985062)

    when you start charging for food, you move from being a collection of friends to a sport bar, and sports bars don't get fair use.

  • by gman003 ( 1693318 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:24PM (#30985086)
    There are sports nerds. The guys who memorize every stat for everyone on all thirty-something teams. I may not partake in that, but I will recognize it as something nerd. Of course, we are both going to be sued by the NFL for using the words in the comment title, so who cares? See you in court, co-defendant.
  • RTFA, submitter (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:33PM (#30985232)

    From the summary:

    Just don't charge for food, or call it a 'Super Bowl' party, since the term itself is copyright.

    The article directly contradicts both of those claims.

    It's one thing to comment without RTFA, but to submit without RTFA takes a special kind of stupid.

  • by Grond ( 15515 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:38PM (#30985306) Homepage

    Just don't...call it a 'Super Bowl' party, since the term itself is copyright.

    The term is not copyrighted. The term is trademarked.

    The trademark status has advantages and disadvantages. Since it's been registered and in use for at least 5 years (since 1969 in fact), the trademark is much harder to invalidate, per 15 USC 1065 [cornell.edu]. Unlike copyrights, trademarks really do last forever, given proper maintenance (yes, I realize that copyrights practically last forever too, but there are trademarks that are centuries old).

    Some of the disadvantages of a trademark are that the remedies are weaker (no statutory damages) and the trademark holder must police the mark. You can't license it to just anybody. You have to maintain some control over the licensed good or service, typically in the form of quality standards. You also have to go after potential infringers. Failure to do so can lead to losing the mark.

    It's that last requirement that is driving the NFL's actions here (well, that and the money to be made). Whether the law in fact requires them to be as strict about it as they are is another question, one that very few people on Slashdot are really competent to answer. Whether the law should require them to be so strict, however, is a different question and one that most of us probably agree on the answer to.

    As a side note, footage of individual games is copyrighted. The NFL argues that footage of the game is licensed only for private viewing and not for commercial viewing, which is how they go after sports bars and the like. I would argue that if you put your game on the public airwaves, it should be fair game for live viewing. If they want to enter into a more restrictive license with the viewer they should put the game on pay per view, a premium channel, or a cable channel at the very least.

  • by JNSL ( 1472357 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:39PM (#30985332)

    when you start charging for food, you move from being a collection of friends to a sport bar, and sports bars don't get fair use.

    This is wrong. In a lot of ways.

    First, as has been said many times in these comments already, we're dealing with TM when using the term "Superbowl" and copyright when we dealing with showing it on TV. Though you probably don't know it, and besides the fact that a bar would also have to serve alcohol, the statutory exception you're referring to is an exception to the copyright rights. Certain kinds of establishments are allowed to violate the holder's copyright (and here I mean the prima facie violation of a section 106 right). And I believe I'm remembering this correctly, but the size of the TV's doesn't matter. It's the size of the establishment and the number of TV's.

    Second, sports bars can get fair use. Whether a court finds a fair use depends on a balance of assorted factors, only one of which is whether the organization is for profit.

  • Re:Old news (Score:4, Informative)

    by v1 ( 525388 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:45PM (#30985426) Homepage Journal

    I'm also streaming it live over the internet to anyone who wants to watch.

    I advise you to also time shift it and remove the commercials. All but the "superbowl commercials" of course.

  • by hedwards ( 940851 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:50PM (#30985520)
    Which is completely unenforceable, since you're allowed to use trademarks for the purpose of referring to the item. Meaning that they might get upset about you calling it a "Super Bowl party" but if you have a party where you watch the "Super Bowl" there isn't really anything they can do about it.
  • by Nadaka ( 224565 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:51PM (#30985530)

    It could be worse. They could be claiming a trademark an a symbol that is thousands of years old and has been iconic and representative of a house of nobles, a city founded under their reign and an entire culture for several hundred years or the symbol of a major social organization or perhaps even an official state symbol... Oh wait, they ARE. Several restaurants in New Orleans have been sued for trademark infringement by the NFL over the use of the Fleur De' Lis, a symbol that some of them have been since before the NFL existed.

  • by Megahard ( 1053072 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @03:53PM (#30985586)
    And then the NFL wanted to trademark the Big Game [slashdot.org]. Schools with their own Big Games got upset. The insanity continues.
  • by mcgrew ( 92797 ) * on Monday February 01, 2010 @04:13PM (#30986012) Homepage Journal

    As for sports bars, they're a business mooching off someone else's content. Of course they should pay.

    They're already paying. They have higher cable/satellite bills than home subscribers.

  • Re:Your Honor... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Moryath ( 553296 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @04:14PM (#30986024)

    Run that by me again?

    A year of Pelosi and Reid blocking any Republican bill from the floor is "nonpartisan"? Including blocking THREE Republican health-care bills from discussion while lying their asses off claiming the Republicans were "not offering alternatives"???

    Holding closed meetings behind locked doors, Democrats-only, to "hash out" the Senate vs House bills, was "trying to appease" the other side?

    Pull the other one. Partisan hackery is alive and well in Washington, especially in the Oval Office.

  • Re:Old news (Score:5, Informative)

    by DrGamez ( 1134281 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @04:28PM (#30986256)
    Some new "licensed" or "official" content required you have DRM approved connections every step of the way to play it. That means an approved machine, an approved tv, an approved HDMI cable, every single step must be on the "ok to run licensed content" list. The handshaking constantly between them all causes problems - as does any DRM given enough time.
  • EXACTLY, WHO CARES?? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01, 2010 @05:01PM (#30986844)

    Instead of throwing your life away living vicariously throw some commercial saturated medium, filling the coffers of industry whores, disengage, disconnect and dispose of this idiocy by-

    1) having more sex
    2) having even more sex
    3) getting some excercise and having more sex
    4) read a book, write some music or code

    Fuck them ALL!

  • Re:Old news (Score:3, Informative)

    by Iron Condor ( 964856 ) on Monday February 01, 2010 @06:11PM (#30987960)

    And for something like the Super Bowl, which nearly everyone watches,

    If I read Sports Illustrated [cnn.com] correctly (though this is from 2006), not even 1/3 of US Americans watch the Super Bowl (~95M out of ~320M) and maybe another few million around the globe outside the US.

    That makes the claim that "nearly everyone watches" it a little vacuous.

  • Re:Old news (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01, 2010 @07:52PM (#30989392)
    Fuck the Superbowl. Do something useful with your time instead, like getting off your fat asses and getting some exercise.

The moon is made of green cheese. -- John Heywood

Working...