Making Sense of ACTA 155
Hodejo1 writes "This past week Guadalajara, Mexico hosted the 7th secret meeting of ACTA proponents who continue to ignore demands worldwide to open the debate to the public. Piecing together official and leaked documents from various global sources, Michael Geist has coalesced it all into a five part ACTA Guide that offers structured insight into what these talks might foist upon the populace at large. 'Questions about ACTA typically follow a familiar pattern — what is it (Part One of the ACTA Guide listing the timeline of talks), do you have evidence (Part Two), why is this secret (Part Three), followed by what would ACTA do to my country's laws (Part Four)? Countering the momentum behind ACTA will require many to speak out" (Part Five).'"
Fuck ACTA (Score:5, Insightful)
The whole secrecy only adds to the resistance (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's be level headed here for a moment. Let's assume for a moment ACTA was a "fair" agreement. Designed to give all affected parties a fair share of the cake. Even then, it would be met with incredible resistance once it hits the fan. Why? Because it's kept secret. You design a contract that will affect me but I don't get to read it until after it is signed. How in the world could I not resist it with all the force I could possibly have?
Also, they will soon notice that all the secrecy around it only makes it more interesting. If ACTA was published and discussed in plain view, it would soon be drowned in the noise of everyday politics. A few activists would care and as usual, nobody would listen to them. Do you think it would be on /.'s frontpage every other day if it was public? This way, it's kept in our minds, fresh and looming, a secret deal that will affect us but we don't get to see it. Can you imagine anything more interesting?
Of course (please put on your tinfoil hats now), it could all be a gigantic plot to keep our interest on it so we overlook something else. But generally, if ACTA is supposed to become reality some day, the whole secrecy around it will ensure that every government will have to fight an uphill battle to get it ratified and codified and every single step will be monitored closely and reported widely, simply because ACTA got that much limelight. Due to its secrecy.
Re:No Jokes Here (Score:4, Insightful)
Batman is a comic, you know that I hope? Because in reality, someone like Batman would be hunted by the executive worse than any criminal you could imagine. No country on this planet lets a private citizen crack the force monopoly.
Well, not without a reasonable kickback.
Re:Could someone explain to me (Score:4, Insightful)
how it would be constitutional to enact laws that were developed behind closed doors by private interests?
How would it not? There is a parliament, whose members are elected by the public, and whose task is it, to enact laws. That's how it is put down in the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that every proposed law has to be published first and being discussed by the public. That's what the debates in the parliament are for.
Re:Fuck ACTA (Score:5, Insightful)
Meetings like ACTA conspiracy (any such hidden meeting certainly qualifies!) are proof Timothy McVeigh got the wrong building.
I don't advocate what he did, but as the proponents of secret government become more and more abusive they are going to provoke the fringe...first.
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Re:Really, it's stupid. And also in effect in the (Score:4, Insightful)
That seems pretty reasonable. So why don't they negotiate the terms out in the open?
I suspect that there's more to it than just this. Someone is trying to slip some funny language into the agreement. Often, when negotiating contract terms, one can deduce where such language is being injected into the document by observing how dearly one party has become attached to some particular wording or content. And in finding these particular terms, one can guess at what sort of hidden agendas the various parties might have.
Re:The whole secrecy only adds to the resistance (Score:2, Insightful)
You design a contract that will affect me but I don't get to read it until after it is signed.
If its passed I will simply use every means at my disposal to ignore it.
Do you think it would be on /.'s frontpage every other day if it was public?
So what? Its on the front page of a half-dead geek website every other day. How often is it mentioned on the cover of a
national paper? How often is it mentioned on a news channel on TV? What percentage of the population has even heard of
ACTA? Maybe 5%? How many care? 1%?
But generally, if ACTA is supposed to become reality some day, the whole secrecy around it will ensure that every
government will have to fight an uphill battle to get it ratified and codified and every single step will be monitored
closely and reported widely, simply because ACTA got that much limelight
I think you're seriously overestimating the power of the people. Your lobbying dollars will never equal the amount the
RIAA/MPAA/BSA members and others can generate. The public are mostly weak-willed sheep who gladly swallow every word of
the crap they're fed by the media. They are easily distracted and change their minds based on the slightest whim or on
what they believe is popular opinion. The people behind ACTA are totally single-minded in their desire to increase their
power, influence and profits.
Dont get me wrong.. I wish you were right but the simple fact is that most people just dont care.
Re:Could someone explain to me (Score:4, Insightful)
That won't work. The 'content' just isn't that critical and the natural retaliation to it being too expensive suggests itself!
Instead of the stick, I suspect they'll offer the carrot under the table to legislators who agree to betray their country, just like always.
Re:They do realize it has to go public at some poi (Score:3, Insightful)
Politicians haven't been held responsible for this kind of shit ever since they realised the full extent to which they could abuse redistricting.
Re:Could someone explain to me (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, the question above is exactly why this is a problem: US citizens have no idea how their government works in practice, let alone how it should work in theory.
how to defeat acta: (Score:4, Insightful)
ignore it
technology has gotten to the point that piracy is simply the best distribution model around, for creators and consumers (oh, you thought the law was supposed to protect creators? it protects distributors: look at the contracts distributors sign with creators and tell me who really benefits). consumers get bounty, creators get ancillary revenue streams and distributors die. end of story
let them pass any law they want. no really: what is the value of an unenforceable law? people are getting upset about acta, but i really have to ask everyone: acta may sound diabolical and severe, but its toothless: there's no enforcement of it possible. sure, they may get the occasional grandmother with an unsecured router or a soccer mom who's kids friends take advantage of her hospitality, but that's going to stop technological progress?
let them fund stables of tens of thousands of lawyers and put behind them far reaching draconian laws. whoop de friggin doo. tens of millions of media hungry, technologically savvy and POOR teenagers has them all beat, and then some. the contest is a joke, the laws mean nothing, the game is over: technological progress wins, distributors die
we are simply living in a transition period in which we must suffer the bluster of morons from another media era who simply don't get the fundamental changes taking place around them
Re:Could someone explain to me (Score:4, Insightful)
if true i do hope that everyone calls that bluff. that way American content will finally die the death that it needs to. I don't know about you but all the good stuff is filmed in other countries anyways.
You know, I remember a story my Father used to tell me about why there weren't any new brick buildings in Southern California (this was long before the Sylmar earthquake). He drove a concrete mixer, and his attitudes were probably colored by it - he said "There are no more brick houses because the unions priced themselves out of the market."
Now I'm not trying to bash the unions here, they have their place - but the fact is, raise the price too high for a quality product and buyers will re-define their concept of what they like. And if the interest moves away from the traditional stuff, the quality will too. Fashions will get redefined.
My point is that the content of media controlled by ACTA and other attempts at legitimatizing RIAA and MPAA enforcers will have the effect of more and more music and video coming from indie sources. Good stuff, too. Put too tight a control on your contributions and the world will pass you by.
Re:Fuck ACTA (Score:5, Insightful)
Meetings like ACTA conspiracy (any such hidden meeting certainly qualifies!) are proof Timothy McVeigh got the wrong building.
I don't advocate what he did, but as the proponents of secret government become more and more abusive they are going to provoke the fringe...first.
Can't feel too bad for them. If they want people to take their arguments the legal route, they perhaps shouldn't outlaw all the legal routes.
Close off every possible method of counter except violence, and people will not hesitate to use what you left them.
Re:Fuck ACTA (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:how to defeat acta: (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Fuck ACTA (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:how to defeat acta: (Score:3, Insightful)
let them pass any law they want. no really: what is the value of an unenforceable law?
It's not unenforceable. The tech can be turned against it's users. Imagine a closed Internet where every communication, every URL and every download is logged. We're not that far off such a thing. So people stop using the net and start copying files. What do you think "trusted" computing is about. There will be a day when hard drives start dobbing their owners in. Imagine mass round ups of teenagers that are guilty until proven innocent and go to jail for years over copyright infringement. It's all possible if no one stands up to this madness.
Re:No Jokes Here (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:unauthorized IP distribution = piracy (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:how to defeat acta: (Score:4, Insightful)
Nobody is worried about the future of distributing content. There will always be crackers, and the effort of one is enough to liberate some piece of content for everyone. What we're worried about is that the *AA will destroy the internet trying.
Re:Could someone explain to me (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Fuck ACTA (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:unauthorized IP distribution = piracy (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, just as Disney used the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy to glamorise piracy & promote their pro-sharing, anti-copyright agenda.
Oh, wait...
Re:Fuck ACTA (Score:3, Insightful)
The Geneva Convention even specifies the status of non-uniformed combatants; they have no rights and may be executed on the spot. I'd say in light of that, Guantanamo detainees have been treated with far more compassion than they legally deserve. After a thorough no-holds-barred interrogation, when I was certain they were of no more intelligence value, all I'd give them is a blindfold and a cigarette
It's heartening to know that you hold yourself to such high moral standards.