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Comments: 144 +- Your Rights Online: Augmented Reality and Privacy on Monday November 30, @08:04AM
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An anonymous reader recommends a piece up at Augmented Planet that makes a couple of points about privacy in the realm of geotagging and augmented reality that haven't been discussed much. First, once you geotag and upload, say, a photo to the Net you can lose ownership over the data and especially its metadata. Second, data on the Net is long-lived and might be put together in ways you wouldn't like, long after it was created. "If you geotag a picture with your new 50" plasma TV in the background and upload it to the Web, congratulations you have just told everyone where you live and what you have of value. The web has a long memory — geotag something today and in six months it is still on the Web. When you tweet from the beach in Barbados telling your friends you are away for 2 weeks, that picture of your 50" plasma will still be out there along with its location. It's easy to track down someone's home address if you have their real name." The submitter adds, "I never really cared about my online privacy too much. This article made me think seriously about privacy for the first time. No mean feat."
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Submission: Augmented Reality and Privacy - Do You Care? by Anonymous Coward
leverage, n.:
Even if someone doesn't care what the world thinks
about them, they always hope their mother doesn't find out.
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1. memorize a fake birthday (Score:5, Insightful)
2. keep all online family pictures private, behind a password
it always amazes me to find online profiles with birthdays and family member's photos: there's your mother's maiden name and your birthday on full display or a few clicks away, handy for opening new credit cards in your name
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Hardly my problem if a credit card company decides to give a credit card to someone masquerading as me... well I spose it depends on the laws of the country you live in, but where I live (the UK) this is the Credit Card companies' fault... and responsibility, not mine.
that doesn't matter (Score:2)
even if the cost to you is $0 financially, the cost to you is high in terms of hassle and headaches in dealing with bank bureaucracy over an extended period of time. you have to cut off the fake credit cards. additionally, now your real transactions are under the spotlight of greater scrutiny by the banks, which could result in denials or delays
Re:1. memorize a fake birthday (Score:5, Insightful)
This does not indemnify you against information uploaded by unwitting friends, relatives, acquaintances, or colleagues. The more people come to rely on the internet as a venue for socializing, the less control any individual will have over their personal information or their privacy. As information collecting becomes more automated, AR will become more useful and hence more commonplace, possibly bringing some of the issues raised by the article to the fore.
I think it's important to recognize that even though AR introduces additional risks to *your* security and privacy, it has the exact same effect on a *criminal's* security and privacy. I'll throw a hypothetical scenario out there - say you enabled a service at the supermarket that automatically emails you a copy of your receipt whenever you make a purchase. If your identity thief makes a purchase at one of these supermarkets, you have an incriminating email containing unrecognizable foodstuffs and a credit account you never opened, which can be used to spearhead an investigation pulling CCTV footage from that supermarket to compare to a facial recognition database, resulting in the identification and arrest of the identity thief.
Given this scenario, I think that rather than rebel against the erosion of our privacy, we need to accept that privacy in its current incarnation will never exist again, and instead work towards ensuring that no single group of people is allowed to exempt themselves or abuse this new information.
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easy way to generate a fake birthday: (Score:2)
just take a simple truncation of your real birthday
if your real birthday is sep 26, 1975, use sep 20, 1975. or if it is may 17, 1987, use may 10, 1987
the same goes for your name. unless absolutely necessary, never use your middle name. and if you have to use it, try to use only your middle initial. and if you can get away with it, use only your first name initial too. if you are fred willard, try to be f willard as much as possible. if you are jay leno, you are now j leno (heh, perhaps a bad example for all
Re:easy way to generate a fake birthday: (Score:5, Insightful)
The insanity isn't there.
The insanity is in assuming that if a unknown person knows the name and birthday of a certain individual and his mother, then that is proof positive that he IS that person. By that logic, I am a dozen different people. It's just nonsense, pure and simple. Allowing a new line of credit to be opened on such skimpy information is grossly incompetent, and should result in the automatic assumption that the organization doing so is responsible for any and all losses resulting from their neglience.
If I want to open a new account here, I need either a digital signature (yes, one that uses two-factor authenthication to ensure I'm me), or I need to physically go to the post to pick up the card -- the post will then demand I present an actually valid ID before they give it to me. (a service they charge for, and call "verified recipient")
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solution: security freeze (Score:2)
http://www.consumersunion.org/campaigns/learn_more/003484indiv.html [consumersunion.org]
shame on you alabama, michigan, and missouri: the only states where this consumer initiated credit lock is not the law
but it's cool and hip (Score:4, Funny)
to always broadcast your location and everything about me to everyone on the internet? we are all friends, right? everyone on the internets cares about what i do everyday, right?
Re:but it's cool and hip (Score:5, Interesting)
This obsession with self-visibility is a byproduct of "celebrity culture", which itself is a byproduct of XX-century broadcasting. Once current paradigms of information consumption give way to something different and more bidirectional, people will stop obsessing about exposing themselves.
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I'd love to expose myself. But first we need to repel these totalitarian indecency laws.
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I agree to a certain extend, but it's beneficial in another perspective completely detached from the negative undertone: I love it when there are a few people reviewing their restaurants, adding their fav places, uploading
Re:but it's cool and hip (Score:4, Funny)
Look, Elvis is really, really, REALLY dead; live with it!
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Yeah, but handing it out 20 years later would be a bit difficult.
We're from the internet (Score:5, Funny)
Avatar (Score:5, Insightful)
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That's called foresight, man.
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I haven't used my real name anywhere on the Internet in about ten years.
It seems that you have been living two lives. In one life, you are Warren Oates, program writer for a respectable software company.
The other life is lived in computers where you go by the hacker alias Neo, and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for, including the unauthorized use of the D.M.V. system for the removal of automobile boots.
New business opportunity (Score:5, Funny)
A search engine for burglars!
Quick, let's file a patent...
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Patenting something that you will only sell to thieves doesn't sound like a smart thing to do.
-Apologies if this goes off topic-
You'd be surprised (Score:3, Interesting)
Thieves are not *pirates*, you know.
(more seriously, thieves are quite happy to pay like everyone else when the profit/cost ratio is high enough.)
Re:New business opportunity (Score:4, Informative)
This is Exactly what s happening to celebrities today. Out here in LA there were was a gang of teenage girls that followed al the celeb mags, watched the TV shows where the celebs showed off their houses etc. Then they got on Twitter and face book to see when these celebs left town. BAMN! they robbed the house. Took the police a year to find them!
They had millions of dollars worth of crap they hadn't figured out how to fence!
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This is also happening in England's "football country", the Manchester / Liverpool area (which also happen to include some of the poorest urban areas in the entire country). More and more in recent years, footballers' houses are broken into during match days (which are known months in advance).
This resulted in a direct economic boost to the security industry in the region, so there is a positive side to it :)
Nobody gives a shit about you (Score:4, Insightful)
Nobody reads your twitter, nobody follows your flicker account and no 2bit criminal is going to do both when i can just drive round the block and see your curtains haven't changed states in the last 3 days. There are reasons to care about your privacy, future blackmail, employer searching for you, etc, but nobody reading you (mirco)blog is going to steal your TV.
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s/i/he #damn Freudian slip!
Re:Nobody gives a shit about you (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Nobody gives a shit about you (Score:4, Informative)
That might be one reason. Another is to give the police time to tell the family members so they don't find out about it from watching tv or reading a newspaper.
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Who would want a plasma TV !? (Score:2)
Come back when you have an OLED ! *g*
I had TWO attemped burglaries in my life (Score:3, Insightful)
BOTH happened when I was at home and there was clear activity. One in the morning, busy getting ready and suddenly someone was in the kitchen who ran out.
Other time 3 people tried to climb on the balcony while 4 people were in the house.
The fast majority of crime in holland is committed by imigrants (don't bother telling me otherwise, all attempts were made by dark-skinned people) who have the combined IQ of a raisin.
/. nerds come up with all kinds of clever tricks to steal things, that is not how criminals do it. Brutality and a surety that the legal system has been gutted makes them attempt break ins where there is no point because they want cash now. Planning... that just doesn't feature. It is opportunity crime, when you are home, you got doors and windows unlocked, when you are away, you double bolt everything.
Mythbusters had a few of those Mission Impossible style break in attempts, meanwhile the biggest diamond heist that really happened, just involved driving up, loading the bags and driving away. No complex stuff, no sci-fi. Just the arrogance to think you can get away with it, and you often can. And when you don't, the law has so little change to catch you, it is worth the risk (conviction rate in Holland is less then 10% of REPORTED crimes, only a fraction of crimes are known to be reported, so do the math).
Do you really think a criminal who is going to sell your new plasma for at most a 100 dollars (think about it, even if you buy blackmarket, you want a box, you steal TV's from the warehous factory, not somebodies house) is going to bother keeping track of potential photo's that might show a plasma you had then and corrolate that with when you CLAIM to be away?
Real burglars just walk past and LOOK. And they are a hell of lot more interested in a place that is dark where they can get inside very quickly and away very quickly. And even then, what are they going to do with a 50inch plasma screen? Takes ages to unplug, get off the wall, into a car and then you got what? A 2nd hand tv. Oh yeah, fences pay big bucks for that.
I swear slashdot is the nerds fox news. You know those jokes:
amount of pedophiles in the entire world: -
amount of pedophiles on myspace according to Fox: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA broken up because of crap filter AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Slashdot is like that with privacy
Real world criminals tracking you: -
Criminals tracking you according to the privacy crazies on /.: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA broken up because of crap filter AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It is like the crappy filter /. uses: Real spam stopped 0. Jokes and valid points ruined: zillion.
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I had TWO attemped burglaries in my life...
The fast majority of crime in holland is committed by imigrants (don't bother telling me otherwise, all attempts were made by dark-skinned people)
Really? That's your argument?
You have a sample size of exactly two and from that you feel confident to extrapolate to all crime in the country?
After demonstrating such absurdly bad reasoning skills, why should anyone take anything else you have to say seriously?
Bigotry is innumeracy.
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I've been robbed two times by clowns. If I come home to find grease paint smeared on my door handle and unicycle tracks all over my hardwood floors, I swear I'm gonna do something drastic!
What Augmented Reality doing here? (Score:3, Informative)
In six months... (Score:3, Funny)
"If you geotag a picture with your new 50" plasma TV in the background and upload it to the Web, congratulations you have just told everyone where you live and what you have of value. The web has a long memory -- geotag something today and in six months" nobody will care about your antiquated plasma TV.
Sorry, but no (Score:3, Insightful)
If you buy a 50" Plasma and bring it home, anyone driving by while you take it inside now knows you own a 50" Plasma and where you live. Where does it stop?
While theoretically, it is possible to figure something like this out for a robbery or something like that, the chances are incredibly slim, and nothing you do with the exception of completely unplugging and never leaving you home is going to make you completely secure. This is just fear mongering, you are at no higher risk with internet than you are with normal conversation (you tell friend 1 you just got a tv, they tell their friend that a friend of theirs just got that new TV, later on you leave on a trip and tell your friend, whose friend happens to be around/friend 1 tells, and now he can go steal your TV.) It is the nature of socializing, you are gonna give information that is innocuous by itself but when pieced together information can be used for bad deeds.
Ok, go ahead and mod flaimbait or troll now
No, it's called "paranoia". (Score:3, Insightful)
Not everyone suffers from paranoia.
There is nothing wrong with uploading a bit of metadata about you here and there, the problem is when it becomes highly visible, which is the case with "augmented reality" systems (where the entire point is *seeing metadata*).
No, it's called "Cautious." (Score:4, Interesting)
Paranoia's just a state, it's neither bad nor good. Acting on that paranoia to hurt ones self or others, that's bad. I see nothing harmful about not uploading these bits of information and therefore, paranoia or not, it's not a bad idea.
Now, I may not agree it's common sense as the GP does, but I don't think it's paranoia either.
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Paranoia's just a state, it's neither bad nor good.
The fact that is a medical term should tell you something about that.
After working for 30 years on crashy, unreliable and insecure machines, most geeks are justifiably paranoid... But it's not a state of mind we should really come to see as "healthy". It's a reaction to the sorry state of our technology.
Simply stated, the responsibility is on developers to make sure that their creations cannot be used for nefarious purposes.
Re:No, it's called "Cautious." (Score:4, Insightful)
That pshrinks are prejudiced against the justifiably concerned?
Certainly not. It's both unreasonable and impossible for them to do so.
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That pshrinks are prejudiced against the justifiably concerned?
They tend to be quite prejudiced on lots of other things, which often overlap with what is considered "healthy".
Simply stated, the responsibility is on developers to make sure that their creations cannot be used for nefarious purposes.
Certainly not. It's both unreasonable and impossible for them to do so.
RLY? Let's build an atomic bomb in my backyard and see how society reacts...
Re:No, it's called "Cautious." (Score:4, Insightful)
Just look at the example given in the article summary. There's no concievable way a developer could protect against that situation, short of not developing the technology to begin with. Sometimes, security/privacy falls to personal responsibility. Sure, that's where all the best systems go to hell, but it's just not something we can (currently) just work around. We can warn users, tell them the dangers, but when it comes right down to it: it's all about the nature of the user. If the user's nature is (right or wrong) paranoid/cautious, then we're going see less abuse than if their nature is wide open.
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Sometimes, security/privacy falls to personal responsibility.
I agree, but defining "sometimes" is where the argument lies. If you build a system that shares metadata, it's your responsibility to worry about who can see that metadata, and build a privacy system that will explicitly give responsibility back to the user. Facebook was forced to do that, for example.
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The developer can (and should) empower the user to control their data and metadata, and the user must be cautious enough to exercise that power appropriately.
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If the only harm caused by others to yourself that you can see arises from software security flaws, then you really, really need to get out more.
Actually, check that; if you really are that clueless as to how others can cause you harm, you're better off holed up wherever you are.
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If the only harm caused by others to yourself that you can see arises from software security flaws, then you really, really need to get out more.
Tell you what, I come out and teach you how to read properly, which you clearly need. Deal?
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There's no point in uploading metadata unless it's visible. If you don't want it to be visible, don't upload it.
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If you don't want it to be visible, don't upload it.
And what if I want it to be visible for trusted parties only?
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So the WWW came before the computer, and well before 1989 (when TBL proposed to build it) ?
And you are so rich, you have nothing to steal?
You must be the head of some world-ruling conspiracy. WTF are you doing on Slashdot?