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Posted by Soulskill on Saturday October 17, @08:18AM
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Andorin writes "Eugene Kaspersky, CEO of well-known computer security company Kaspersky Labs, is calling for an end to the anonymity of the Internet, and for the creation of mandatory 'Internet passports' for anyone who wishes to browse the Web. Says Kaspersky, 'Everyone should and must have an identification, or internet passport ... the internet was designed not for public use, but for American scientists and the US military. Then it was introduced to the public, and it was wrong ... to introduce it in the same way.' He calls anonymity 'the Internet's biggest security vulnerability' and thinks any country that doesn't follow this regime should be 'cut off.' The EFF objects, and it's likely that they won't be the only ones."
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  • "Papers Please" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by brunes69 (86786) <slashdotNO@SPAMkeirstead.org> on Saturday October 17, @08:20AM (#29776951) Homepage

    Yes, because requiring passports to entry countries stops all terrorism and crime.

    • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Informative)

      by jcr (53032) <jcr@NOspaM.mac.com> on Saturday October 17, @08:22AM (#29776967) Journal

      Yes, because requiring passports to entry countries stops all terrorism and crime.

      That's the asinine thing about the ID fetish that all the apparatchiki are pushing. The 9/11 perps weren't using fake IDs, even. They had genuine passports and credit cards.

      -jcr

      • incentives (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Gary W. Longsine (124661) on Saturday October 17, @10:57AM (#29777979) Homepage Journal
        Great. Everybody must have an Internet Passport. Just great. The spammers will have an incentive to steal those. It's bad enough now when somebody steals your identity. Takes years, sometimes, to clean up after that. Imagine what it will be like when somebody steals your Identity and the next step is for your Internet Passport to get shut off, for months, while a retrained electrician cum Internet Passport Agent from Xe (née Blackwater), Haliburton, or KBR sorts it out.

        Next, some genius will get the bright idea to bring biometrics to the Internet Passport, surely *that* will stop The Bad Guys. At that point, spammers have an incentive to kill you and cut off your hand, which they'll attach to a little machine to keep it at the right temperature and perspiration level, so they can send V1@gra spam.
        • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 17, @09:07AM (#29777301)

          They were scanned and recorded at the airport before launch.

                • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Insightful)

                  by Paleolibertarian (930578) on Sunday October 18, @01:35AM (#29782325) Homepage Journal

                  It isn't FUD at all. History provides ample evidence that whenever government or any quasi-government organization gets to regulate something there is always a political aim in doing so to the detriment of users and usually to the benefit of government or corporations.

                  When there was a single provider of domain names in the U.S. they were very expensive. When the monopoly was broken domain names are now much cheaper.

                  If a "passport" is required for internet access you can be sure that the hoops will be set in ways that prevent some people from having access. Even when they intend to do no harm at all. Convicted felons I predict would be the first group to be banned. Followed by children below a certain age. Then they will require that filters be put in place for some types of "passports" etc...

                  The internet is a very public place for the practice of free speech and dissemination of all sorts of information, both good and bad. It has been said that the antidote for "bad" speech is not regulation but more speech. Only the individual is capable of determining what he gets from the internet is good or bad... for HIM, NOT the government. Governments will always want to regulate communications between individuals. Governments prefer ignorant taxpayers. A passport would provide the means to identify an individual so they could be readily punished or prevented from exercising the right to speak freely. This is ALWAYS a bad thing.

                  The answer to the wild and woolly internet is for people to get more intelligent which is something the internet does very well in spite of all of the crap that is out there. Any regulation at all is a bad thing.

                  Kaspersky is at best a fool.

                  Edwin

        • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:4, Informative)

          by fyrewulff (702920) on Saturday October 17, @09:15AM (#29777361)
          They were not vaporized. Clearly you didn't see the pictures submitted as evidence at the trials. (I wouldn't recommend looking at them, either)
        • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Daengbo (523424) <daengbo@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Saturday October 17, @10:47AM (#29777921) Homepage Journal

          But your freedom is defined by your government. If your government thinks you should not have the right to free speech, then it has no problems making it prohibited by law.

          Indded! I just moved from South Korea, and my last few months there were made difficult by its new Internet ID requirements [koreatimes.co.kr]. Suddenly, I couldn't comment on [koreaittimes.com] (or sometimes simply log into) many large websites. Foreigners living in Korea are not able to log into or comment on Korean sites at all, though ironically, ethnic Koreans living overseas are able to register for an ID number [koreatimes.co.kr].

          This has a real chilling effect on speech [koreabeat.com] (and I'm not talking about anonymous trolls). There is no way for a well-meaning whistle blower to escape the reach of Korea's oligopoly and political in-fighting.

          Even sadder is that the whole system is strongly tied to IE and ActiveX (just like the banking). Sigh. I'm happy to be out of that situation. If the rest of the countries of the world adopt similar systems, we'll see the Balkanization of Internet. That shattering of communication (and a non-neutral Internet) may be inevitable.

          • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:4, Insightful)

            by postbigbang (761081) on Saturday October 17, @10:58AM (#29777991)

            The US Consitutional right to free assembly also embues a right to anonymity.

            Kapersky is just looking for a new revenue stream. Indeed there ought to be a way to partition out obvious malware sites and even those that are infected because their management didn't patch them.

            But you'll not get rid of anonymity. It's the human condition.

        • by Shakrai (717556) on Saturday October 17, @11:44AM (#29778273) Journal

          Only thing is, they didn't need the passports after their suicide mission.

          Yeah they do. You think you can get into paradise to fuck 45 virgins without documentation of some sort? Can you imagine if they just let anybody into paradise without the proper documentation? You'd have every Tom, Dick and Harry claiming that they died for Allah and eventually the place would run out of virgins. Then where would we be?

    • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Smegly (1607157) on Saturday October 17, @08:40AM (#29777085)

      Yes, because requiring passports to entry countries stops all terrorism and crime.

      Exactly. But then creating a fear based "papers please" society [wikipedia.org] was never about stopping crime or terrorism to begin with, anyway. Thats just a convenient for voters to believe so various profitable charades [wikipedia.org] can continue [wikipedia.org] and profits continue [wikipedia.org] to flow in...

    • by Runaway1956 (1322357) * on Saturday October 17, @01:00PM (#29778779) Homepage Journal

      Kaspersky. See the name? He's a Slovak - I would say Polish, but Slovak for sure. He lives in Russia. He's no young puppy. The man grew up under the old Soviet. His values are not the values of the western world. I don't mean to be judgemental, per se, but I recognize that he ain't like me.

      While most of us in the western world tend to deny it, there is comfort to be had inside of a totalitarian regime. You know your place, you know everyone else's place, you do your job and keep your nose to yourself, and everyone gets along. It's easy to sell to the masses, and Joe Sixpack manages alright unless and until some silly sumbitch decides to sacrifice Joe for the "good of the party".

      So, Mr. Kaspersky has a touch of nostalgia for the good things from the Soviet, and forgets about the bad things. People tend to do that. Right here in the US, we have all kinds of people who remember the '50's (or whichever decade they were teenagers in) as Utopia. Life was simpler then - mostly because they were kids with no responsibilities.

      For that matter, I can probably find a few million people right here in the US why would fall right in line with Mr. Kaspersky's ideas, because it just makes sense. No one needs to be anonymous, unless they are up to no good. Hell, with my own relatively open mind, I think kids are goofy for wearing hoodies. Why cover your face, and try to hide your features, if you're not ashamed of what you are doing? But, I don't make a big deal of the hoodies, because I know the cops aren't always right, or even always honest.

      Yeah, I could easily find several million people in the US who will agree with Mr. Kasperski. Some kind of a psychological analysis would be nice to look at. Or, the conclusions drawn by the psych people, anyway.

      Any takers?

      • by theshowmecanuck (703852) on Saturday October 17, @02:30PM (#29779333) Journal

        From the Wikipedia article on Kaspersky, it says, "Kaspersky graduated from the Institute of Cryptography, Telecommunications and Computer Science, an institute co-sponsored by the Russian Ministry of Defence and the KGB[1] in 1987 [wikipedia.org]."

        A product of the KGB and defence ministry of the Soviet era. His views make sense then... for a KGB apparatchik. He probably backs the idea of returning Putin back to president (even if he hasn't really stopped running Russia). And he runs the company that many people are 'securing' their computers with. Think about it folks. About as smart as North American bankers offshoring the programming of their financial systems to Chinese and Indian programmers.

      • Yeah, I could easily find several million people in the US who will agree with Mr. Kasperski. Some kind of a psychological analysis would be nice to look at. Or, the conclusions drawn by the psych people, anyway. Any takers?

        I agree with what I assume to be Kasperski's motive: without anonymity, we'd know who controls all these spambots or who is involved in identity theft, or who's writing all this malware, or who writes all those racist trolls on Slashdot. The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory [penny-arcade.com] is undeniably true... make someone attach their name to what they write and they're more civil, more reasoned, and they generally tend to take responsibility for their words. Throw anonymity into the mix with an audience and you get a total fuckwad.

        Imagine if people could drive a vehicle on the roads and be guaranteed that nobody could ever find out whose vehicle it was or who the driver was? Can you imagine the level of road rage that would result if someone pissed you off and you could simply ram them off the road with no repercussion? Today, the only anonymity we have on the roads is by walking, using a bicycle, or through a proxy such as a bus or taxi where someone else's identity is responsible for the driving.

        The problem with Kasperski's approach is that it's completely impossible to retrofit the entire Internet for this kind of identification. Not only that, but there's no technical way to guarantee that it's unhackable. Your computer gets compromised somehow and now someone has the ability to do anything using your identity. And it fails to take into account a family computer, for example. Did John Smith really write that, or was it one of his kids fooling around?

        So unless we want to turn the Internet into a place as highly regulated and enforced as the average Western nation's public roads, mostly anonymous it is.

        • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) on Saturday October 17, @09:34AM (#29777501)

          On the internet, there's plenty of reason to preserve anonymity and free speech. You can't kill someone over the internet, and real criminals will always find ways around a "passport" system, they already find ways around other kinds of security.

          Which, as far as Kapersky is concerned, is a business opportunity! Eliminate anonymity, and then sell products that mostly, but far from perfectly, protect against abuses of that information.

          Always follow the money, it explains all corporate actions.

          • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Interesting)

            by The Archon V2.0 (782634) on Saturday October 17, @10:27AM (#29777817)

            Eliminate anonymity, and then sell products that mostly, but far from perfectly, protect against abuses of that information.

            One of the other technicians where I work recently used a computer with Kaspersky on it. I watched their scanner merrily let spyware through while actively stopping some of the techniques and programs we use to get rid of spyware. Delete an infected registry key? "Kaspersky has stopped a change to your registry!" Unregister a spyware-installed DLL? "Kaspersky has stopped a change to your critical system files!"

            In light of this, I suggest changing "sell products that mostly, but far from perfectly, protect against abuses of that information" that to "sell products that appear to, but don't, protect against abuses of that information".

            • Re:"Papers Please" (Score:5, Insightful)

              by ultranova (717540) on Saturday October 17, @10:34AM (#29777839)

              Though, on the other hand, they make a good product, and just because the figurehead is a dumbass with some things doesn't take away from that fact.

              Then you just have to decide which is more important: that the product is good, or that buying that product funds War on Freedom.

  • by jcr (53032) <jcr@NOspaM.mac.com> on Saturday October 17, @08:20AM (#29776955) Journal

    Then he can just start his own network and only let people use it if they identify themselves.

    -jcr

    • by sakdoctor (1087155) on Saturday October 17, @08:30AM (#29777017) Homepage

      You mean he's going to make his own network without blackjack and hookers?

      Ps: Eugene Kaspersky murders and eats cats.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eugene-Kaspersky/26270793749?v=wall [facebook.com]

      Here's his failbook page if anyone wants to harass him.
      I'm posting this anonymously because I can and this is the way the internet should be.

    • by TheRaven64 (641858) on Saturday October 17, @08:50AM (#29777173) Homepage Journal
      Mod this up. If you think anonymity is a bad thing then create VPN on top of the Internet, with certificates required to connect, and reject any traffic that doesn't come over this VPN. Only make your services available over this VPN, and not over the public portion of the Internet. Come back in a year and tell us what proportion of Internet users are connected to your system; if it's more than 1% I shall be very impressed.
        • by Pharmboy (216950) on Saturday October 17, @09:23AM (#29777421) Journal

          I don't get your point. That sounds just like required registration on most websites nowadays.

          Like Slashdot? I'm guessing tkinnun0 isn't your real name, and pharmboy isn't mine. With proxy servers and/or anonymous email, it is trivial to comply with "required registration" and still be anonymous.

    • by Hierarch (466609) <wilsonm.cs@rpi@edu> on Saturday October 17, @10:21AM (#29777775) Homepage

      This isn't pure rhetoric and sarcasm, whether the author meant it that way or not.

      Credential Grab: I'm a doctoral candidate, and this is in my area of research.

      The right solution, without considering feasibility, is that traffic may be anonymous, but that receivers should be able to refuse to receive anonymous traffic, and should also be able to refuse to grant resources (such as incoming network capacity) to that traffic. The current Internet architecture doesn't make this technically feasible, as the sender is generally in control of your inbound network capacity. There's a research push toward architectures that remove this limitation, such as the Internet Indirection Infrastructure [berkeley.edu] (i3). (Not one of my favorites, but it illustrates the point.)

      My personal goal is that we develop an internet architecture which allows for provisioned virtual network links on shared physical infrastructure. Then Kaspersky (and anyone who agrees with him) really can have an isolated network, carried on the same physical infrastructure, while those who think anonymity is an important goal can have their own isolated network, sharing hardware but with neither able to impact the other. Network overlays can do all of this right now except for the provisioned links, and MPLS and similar technologies could already enable provisioning if they were widely adopted and deployed.

      (My own research is into high-speed overlay hosting platforms.)

        • by Hierarch (466609) <wilsonm.cs@rpi@edu> on Saturday October 17, @11:30AM (#29778171) Homepage

          Who is the receiver? Me, or my ISP?

          You are the receiver. Your ISP is a carrier. You elect to connect to private networks, who may charge subscription fees of you. For use of the ISP's network, those same private network owners may pay for their provisioned capacity.

          ...what happens if my ISP decides - of its own free will or because Disney/Government forced it to - to deny anonymous inbound traffic? I don't have any choice of ISPs where I live, and of course they too would be forced to obey such laws.

          This is possible, sure. Just as, today, the same lobbying group could attempt to force the government to mandate that your ISP sniff your every packet to detect that you're pirating Steamboat Willie. However, bear in mind that the goal is to add an economic incentive to the ISP to fight restrictions. The ISP wants to sell services to as many private network providers as possible because they are being paid for the reserved capacity. When the copyright cartel meets the ISP lobby in Congress, there's at least a chance that things could improve. As it stands, the only ISP incentive to fight it is the cost of the monitoring equipment, and I'm sure the copyright cartel would be thrilled to provide it to them, along with their own custom software....

          ...the rest of us are not allowed to keep our own anonymous network, because anonymity is a threat to those in power by making monitoring people harder. Please cease researching growth hormones for Big Brother, it's huge enough already.

          Either I have not explained things adequately or you have misunderstood. The goal is to enable disruptive, innovative network technologies which cannot currently be deployed because they might conflict with the existing technologies. (For a particularly disruptive example, look at Decongestion Control [PDF [ucsd.edu]].) There's no desire to block existing technologies, and I'd fully expect the existing Internet to continue alongside the new networks. Retaining the existing Internet is a primary goal of the research thrust, and I'd reject as unworkable any new architecture that didn't enable it.

          Really, the most undesirable thing about the model is that it enables a lot more nickel-and-diming from the ISPs and the network providers. You might pay a base fee for ISP connectivity, followed by an additional fee for access to the base Internet, then you pay a fee to connect to the SpamFreeEmailNetwork, and so forth ad nauseum. But at least you only need to pay for the services you use, and I could see package deals (analogous to cable channel bundles) becoming a selling point, too.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 17, @08:27AM (#29776991)

    Dear Eugene,

        Go fuck yourself.

    Sincerely,
    Anonymous.

  • I agree! (Score:5, Funny)

    by cerberusss (660701) <slashdot&vankuik,nl> on Saturday October 17, @08:28AM (#29777005) Homepage Journal

    It should also not be possible to anonymously put mail in mailboxes. The harm that is done through postal mail is incredible!

    Yeah, I'm sarcastic here.

  • This guy apparently doesn't understand that for many, anonymity is a security feature.

    Anonymity is prone to abuse, sure, but it is vital for free exchange of ideas. People who are identifiable are less likely to make risky statements, and this is detrimental to culture. Repression and oppression should not be the goal of Security.

    Beyond that, not everything on the internet is a person.

    • by Shin-LaC (1333529) on Saturday October 17, @08:45AM (#29777139)
      Indeed, this could be a serious PR blunder for Kaspersky. His statements single-handedly changed my perception of the brand "Kaspersky" from "respected maker of Windows antivirus software" to "worse than Microsoft AIDS" (a hypothetical product with the combined potential of causing sever harm to both your computer and your own personal well-being).

      Then again, I wasn't really in his potential customer pool to begin with, so it might not matter.
    • by WCMI92 (592436) on Saturday October 17, @09:11AM (#29777323) Homepage

      People like this need to understand who is actually making the purchasing decisions for software such as what Kaspersky makes.

      It's people like us. And we tend to be very libertarian when it comes to free speech and anonymity. The guys in the suits who sign the PO's don't make these kinds of decisions in reality because they don't want to get the blame for a bad decision made out of ignorance.

      I, too, will make sure his product doesn't grace the door where I work. And we, in fact, just happen to be looking for a new Corporate antivirus/spyware/spam suite now that our McAfee contract has (thank God) ended. They were on our list to evaluate. They won't be on Monday when I get to work.

      As others have said, physical passports in the REAL world did nothing to stop terrorists from coming in. They also do nothing to stop millions of Mexican peasants who can't even speak English from crossing the border, getting driver's licenses, and getting jobs despite the fact that all THAT is supposed to require passports and documentation.

      Considering how much easier it is to forge stuff that is in 1's and 0's than paper, do the math. All this "Internet Passport" idea is going to do is make it easy for oppressive countries like China, Russia, and yes, add the United States to that list too with that wannabe Hugo Chavez in the white house. His people also want to regulate speech on the internet and have a goon in the FCC already proposing it. This will only punish the honest, criminals will never submit to it. Suggesting that ending anonymity for web surfing is going to end whatever problem he is proposing it as a solution for is going to be as effective as gun bans have been at ending crime. Zip, Zero, Nada effect.

      Fact of the matter is, the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. The only way to change that is to tear it down and redesign it from scratch to be the KGB controlled streets of the Soviet Union. Thank God it was designed in the 1970's in this case.

    • by BZ (40346) on Saturday October 17, @09:51AM (#29777623) Homepage

      Another reason to not buy his software, fwiw, is that it injects DLLs into Firefox that slow down DOM manipulation by 100x or so. And those DLLs are injected even if the antivirus software is disabled, as long as it's installed.

      • by TheRaven64 (641858) on Saturday October 17, @08:52AM (#29777191) Homepage Journal
        Absolutely! Nothing important was ever published anonymously before the Internet [wikipedia.org]! Anonymity is a brand new thing that only exists on the Internet and is clearly not important there because it's not important anywhere else.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 17, @09:36AM (#29777515)
        free speech as embodied by the First Amendment in the states accepts that anonymous speech is essential to the free sharing of ideas.

        There are two parts to free speech. First is the ability to speak without any explicit or implicit restrictions. Explicit restrictions are outright bans or legal restraints. Implicit restrictions are what they call "chilling effect". Intimidation in the form of threats or simply having a law enforcement official standing nearby while you are speaking.

        The second is the ability to listen without any explicit or implicit restrictions. It does you no good to speak if nobody feels free to listen to what you're saying. If the cost of me hearing someone speak on some topic is being identified, I'm probably not going to do it thereby denying the speakers free speech right.

        We have had anonymous speech in the United States for over 200 years. the most common form of anonymous speech prior to the electronics era has been pamphlets and posters. Law enforcement agencies have routinely violated anonymity and speech rights by photographing people in crowds and then publishing those photos trying to identify the "perpetrators"

        Anonymity has nothing to do with cowardice or irresponsibility. It has everything to do with being able to speak against the more powerful foe and hopefully survive any retribution for speaking out.

        anonymity can be abused by many people ranging from sociopaths, /. Users, and those in power but used appropriately, it's a wonderful tool

        • by WCMI92 (592436) on Saturday October 17, @09:18AM (#29777377) Homepage

          Uh, OK. How do you propose to bring about a society in which everyone respects the free exchange of ideas, and a government that can perfectly protect everyone who expresses an unpopular opinion?

          The First Amendment's free speech clause is very misunderstood these days, thanks to decades of piss poor civics and history education in the government schools. Thankfully I wasn't mis-educated in one of them.

          The First Amendment isn't in there to protect popular speech. It's in there to protect UNPOPULAR speech, so that people who say something that the government or even a large majority of the people CAN say it without being thrown in jail.

          Does anyone want to live in a society where I can't say "Bush was an idiot and Barak Obama is too" without being thrown in the gulag? Well, that day is coming. They already want to restrict blogs.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 17, @08:29AM (#29777013)

    They can call it the Kaspersky Guardian Bureau.

  • too late (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tverbeek (457094) on Saturday October 17, @08:31AM (#29777025) Homepage

    He may be correct that the internet shouldn't have been opened up like it was. I've been online long enough to remember when you could assume (perhaps wishfully) that nearly anyone obviously misbehaving badly on it could be identified with a couple e-mails or phone calls to the right sysadmins, and the notion of banning a user or cutting off a rogue node was plausible. I kind of miss the relative safety and decorum of that internet. But the ship of general unrestricted access set sail a couple decades ago, and that horse has long since left the barn. If you want an internet with the kind of accountability that Kaspersky is taking about... it can't be the internet that everyone's already hooked up to. That bell can't be unrung... and if you need any more metaphors for this, I can supply them. :)

  • Yes (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 17, @08:32AM (#29777027)
    I agree!
  • by damburger (981828) on Saturday October 17, @08:37AM (#29777067)

    But most of the people it is a threat to, frankly deserve to live with being threatened.

    Anonymity can enable online bullying or petty fraud, but those are nuisances on the grand scale of things. The people for whom anonymity is an actual threat are governments who want to monitor and control their citizens, unsavory groups such as the church of Scientology who want to harass their critics, and businesses that want to force consumption of their products in the way they demand they are consumed.

    Let them be threatened. They deserve to live in fear.

  • by nurb432 (527695) on Saturday October 17, @08:40AM (#29777091) Homepage Journal

    Around where i live, a drivers license just says you have paid your tax ( ok, and taken the 'competency test'.. but that's a different discussion ) and gives you the right to drive around at will, anonymously. We don't have checkpoints where we have to produce ID.

    Perhaps its different where he lives, which is a shame.

  • by Thad Zurich (1376269) on Saturday October 17, @08:59AM (#29777247)
    I don't buy the Wikipedia claim that Kaspersky "worked at a multi-discipline scientific research institute", unless you consider KGB's R&D organization to meet that criterion (well OK, it probably does). This appears to be a person dedicated to advancing a political agenda that does not permit dissent.
  • As you might expect (Score:4, Interesting)

    by samael (12612) * <Andrew@Ducker.org.uk> on Saturday October 17, @09:05AM (#29777287) Homepage

    Security expert wants a more secure system. Freedom experts want a free system. Unsurprisingly these two views clash - because they are designing things for different use cases.

  • by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Saturday October 17, @09:22AM (#29777401)
    If he believes this then what privacy violations will he do to users of his software. I can be certain that his software is now blacklisted from my company network. Who knows what self righteous use he might make of being behind my firewalls?
  • by NeverVotedBush (1041088) on Saturday October 17, @09:23AM (#29777423)
    Just this one thing and now I really don't like the guy.

    Certainly there is a lot of fraud and theft on the Internet, and people who do bad things. But the anonymity aspect to the Internet is one of its greatest assets. I prefer my identity to not be known when I post, read news stories, research things, and known only to those where I buy things.

    As it is, if someone really wants to know who I am, they can find out. Link up IP address with logs from my ISP and I'm no longer anonymous.

    Already, and it is just the nature of the beast, everything people do online can be sifted, sorted, mined, etc. People can be identified by their browsing habits. They can be profiled by their search histories. Governments everywhere have their unblinking robot minions scanning for any key words and actions that might indicate someone is a malcontent and worthy of monitoring more closely. There is no need to make it any easier to monitor people or to allow others to join in the fun.
  • Anonymous Wants End to Online Kaspersky CEO.

    Anonymous Coward writes "Anonymous, from the well-known Internets, is calling for an end to the Kaspersky CEO on the Internet, and for the creation of mandatory 'Brains and common sense' for any CEO who wishes to browse the Web. Says Anonymous, 'Every CEO should and must have a brain, or common sense ... the internet was designed not for retard Nazis, but for porn and free thought. Then it was introduced to the commerce, and it was wrong ... to introduce it in the same way.' He calls the Kaspersky CEO 'the Internet's biggest freedom vulnerability' and thinks any community that wants to limit this freedom should be 'cut off.' The PMF (Political Marionettes Foundation) objects, and it's likely that they won't be the only ones."

  • by viralMeme (1461143) on Saturday October 17, @09:34AM (#29777499)
    If you had the power to change up to three things in the world today that are related to IT security, what would they be?

    Internet design--that's enough.

    That's it? What's wrong with the design of the Internet?

    There's anonymity. Everyone should and must have an identification, or Internet passport. The Internet was designed not for public use, but for American scientists and the U.S. military. That was just a limited group of people--hundreds, or maybe thousands. Then it was introduced to the public and it was wrong...to introduce it in the same way.
    -- unquote --

    That's total BS, what's wrong with the Internet is the vast networks of compromised desktop computers co-opted to be used as botnets to provide spamming and phishing services to the criminal sector. The vast majority of which run on Microsoft Windows. And people like you making a good living out of selling 'security' solutions. If everyone on the planet switched off their office 'computer' when they went home from work, the amount of spam/malware on the Internet would drop by over a half.

    There is nothing wrong with the Internet, it performs as designed. It delivers packets to-and-from IP addresses. It doesn't know or care what's in 'em. Nor should it, that would break the design. Security should be handled at the end connections. What would cure the current smam/phishing/malware infestation is to design a desktop 'computer' that don't get infected by opening an email attachment or clicking on a URL.

    "If I were Bill Gates, I'd run another company--100 percent owned by Microsoft--that produces the antivirus under a different brand"

    It's never occured to Kaspersky to suggest that Bill Gates design an Operating System that don't rely on AV to protect. As Marcus Ranum [ranum.com] once said enumerating badness is a bad idea since, ' the amount of Badness in the Internet began to vastly outweigh the amount of Goodness '.

    So basically because people like Kaspersky have failed at security, and want to implement an Internet Stasi (Staatssicherheit). I don't think so. There are enough people out there that'll see it don't ever happen. --

    'Kaspersky Lab UK provides the leading antivirus [reviewcentre.com] and spyware software'

    please by more of my bogus 'security' solutions - nuff said .. :)
  • by BlueParrot (965239) on Saturday October 17, @10:06AM (#29777689)

    In order to actually enforce what he is suggesting you would have to effectively ban or censor all private individuals and companies from using protocols not endorsed by the government, all countries would have to agree on the bans and rules, and you would have to block traffic from non-cooperating countries.

    However that is not enough, because some of the countries from which you want to allow traffic may be allowing proxies used by countries that don't cooperate. So if Switzerland were to allow the Swedish to use Swiss proxies, and if the US didn't like Sweden's way to do things, then not only would they have to refuse all traffic from Sweden, they would have to refuse all traffic from Switzerland too. And if the UK allowed the Swiss to use UK proxies, you'd have to ban the UK too.

    Then there is the practical problems. How do you stop people from stealing each others "passports"?. How do you stop people peeking over each others back when they type in passwords ? How do you stop man in the middle attacks? Are you going to encrypt every single transmission ? And all countries will agree to encrypt all their traffic too? How do you manage the keys across international boundaries? What happens when I go on vacation in a country that doesn't agree with your rules ?

    Now what about compromised systems? What do you do when you get packages from Russia, Nigeria and China flooding your key servers with false requests? What do you do when the attacks come from compromised systems in Australia, Norway, Israel and France? Do you block all those countries, do you disconnect all your citizens that can't access your key servers? Do you allow everybody access if the key-servers are flooded? Do you cut foreign countries off from your citizens thereby screwing over all your international trade?

    Somebody didn't think this through...

  • Follow the money. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by John Hasler (414242) on Saturday October 17, @10:08AM (#29777703)

    Such a program would need to be administered, of course, and who's better qualified to do so than "security" companies? A billion or so Internet licenses at maybe $5/year with a buck or two in "adminstrative expenses": do we see a financial interest here? Naw. I'm sure he has only the best interests of the Internet community at heart. No CEO would ever be influenced by the prospect of increased revenue for his company.

  • by MikeURL (890801) on Saturday October 17, @11:46AM (#29778287) Journal
    It is already virtually impossible to "hide" on the internet IF you want your activities to benefit you in the real world. If you just want to surf anonymously that is possible but that doesn't hurt anyone.

    There is this common misconception that the TCP/IP allows people to do things anonymously with impunity. Tracking down bad actors is more a lack of political will than a lack of the technical ability to do so. If the various government and quasi-government agencies used all the tools they already have they would be able to shut down botnets overnight. That would turn off the vast majority of the space that allows for phishers, et al, to operate.

    Going after end users to try to make them even more identifiable is like the EPA going after carmakers while they ignore the MUCH larger problem of legacy diesel engines.
  • by jellybear (96058) on Saturday October 17, @11:55AM (#29778347)

    Can we just cut Kaspersky off? Put him in a tightly sealed room where he can be safe and happy, and securely identified, free to send authenticated packets to himself.

Executive ability is prominent in your make-up.