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Musician Lobby Terms Balanced Copyright "Disgusting" 319

An anonymous reader writes "While most of the attention at Thursday's Canadian copyright town hall was on the recording industry's strategy to pack the room and exclude alternate voices, the most controversial activity took place outside the hall. It has now been revealed that security guards threatened students and a Member of Parliament for distributing leaflets, and the American Federation of Musicians termed the MP's leaflet, which called for balanced copyright, 'disgusting' and demanded a retraction and apology. At this point, such an admission seems unlikely."
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Musician Lobby Terms Balanced Copyright "Disgusting"

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 30, 2009 @11:12AM (#29251625)

    I skimmed through the linked stories, and none of them seem to have copies of the leaflet that they were distributing. I'm curious what they contained that the AFM thought was so 'disgusting'. Perhaps they were using the goatse guy to illustrate the position the *AA's new laws would put us in. Does anyone know where to find a copy? (Of the leaflet, not the goatse picture.)

  • Re:Actually (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LinkX39 ( 1100879 ) on Sunday August 30, 2009 @12:08PM (#29252009)
    I agree whole-heartedly. I was in band from the 4th grade all the way through til high school graduation and I saw what copyright "protection" did to our music program. I remember having to share one sheet of music for 4 people because our director didn't want to take a chance at violating copyright by making an extra copy or two; whether a violation would have occurred or not didn't matter (and I'm not sure it would have), the fear of it happening was enough. Except in areas where the band actually makes a profit (all of our concerts were free at the time and open to the public, no profit was made except during marching band season) how is this not all covered under fair use? It's ridiculous. The only reason we didn't have financial problems was because we had such a good group of lobbying parents in the past that pushed the district for money, allowing us to build a substantial back catalog of music we could play from. I can see why smaller schools don't even start up band/orchestra programs though, it's too damn expensive. IMO, the RIAA will be a major culprit in the death of music education in America.
  • Re:haha (Score:5, Interesting)

    by parodyca ( 890419 ) on Sunday August 30, 2009 @12:34PM (#29252221) Homepage

    Oh well, if we are playing the stats game. Here are a few more stats for you

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate [wikipedia.org]
    Infant mortality (per 100000)
              Canada 4.8 5.9
              United States 6.3 7.8

    Life expectancy
      Canada 81.23
      United States 78.11

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems [wikipedia.org]
    over all cancer mortality rate
    Canada 148.2
    US 160.5

    And you can talk waiting lists as long as you want. Canada, the U.K. and many European countries may have waiting lists that force those with money to wait a bit longer, but they also ensure that those without get the same respect. In the US those without the means don't even get on the waiting list.

  • Re:Frankly (Score:5, Interesting)

    by seizurebattlerobot ( 265408 ) on Sunday August 30, 2009 @12:45PM (#29252307)

    Nope. There's a famous historical anecdote about this very issue.

    Twice a year a celebrated Misereri by Allegri, an early seventeenth-century composer, was performed by the choir, but the work, which existed only in MS., was so highly esteemed that to copy it was a crime visited with excommunication. Young Mozart nevertheless determined that he would secure a copy, and after two hearings he had the whole thing so perfectly on paper that next year Dr. Burney, the musical historian, was able to publish it in London.

    Mozart had to worry about excommunication as punishment for his piracy at the time. If the RIAA were functioning in Mozart's time as it is today (100+ year copyrights), he would have been prosecuted.

    Source: http://www.music-with-ease.com/mozart.html

  • Re:Frankly (Score:5, Interesting)

    by canadian_right ( 410687 ) <alexander.russell@telus.net> on Sunday August 30, 2009 @12:46PM (#29252323) Homepage

    Sorry no. While he did start writing his own music at a very early age, he did indeed get his first music lesson playing others music. And Mozart lived before all copyright laws so he often found that after one of his new pieces was played in concert, the town down the road was performing his music the next week and he didn't see a cent.

    A want copyright laws that allow artists to earn a fair living. I want fair use spelled out. I want a limited copyright term, say 20 years. I want NO DMR.

  • by linzeal ( 197905 ) on Sunday August 30, 2009 @01:53PM (#29252969) Journal
    I have noticed that they are not giving as many mod points to the old timers anymore. It seems the new kids on Slashdot tend to be politically correct to the point of absurdity. If that is what Slashdot is becoming, just another place for kids to browbeat their elders for perceived slights that go over their heads I will stop coming.
  • by petrus4 ( 213815 ) on Sunday August 30, 2009 @01:58PM (#29253015) Homepage Journal

    Americans typically see Canadians as stoic and think we're passive. You see we're self-deprecating and think we lack confidence. You see we're polite and think we're weak. Then you come up against our hard limits and wonder what you were thinking.

    As an Australian, this is what I've never been able to understand. America on the one hand appears continually as sociologically/culturally speaking, representing the proverbial mouth of Hell, and yet Canada is consistently depicted as the very paragon of civic responsibility, integrity, and harmony by comparison.

    If it's true that you're so much more enlightened, why haven't they learned from your example? Also, do you think it would be possible for you to somehow teach them to stop making war on the rest of the planet? Some of the rest of us would really appreciate it. ;)

  • Re:Forces of Reality (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 30, 2009 @02:45PM (#29253397)

    How might authors be protected from the devaluation of their work when copyright no longer exists? /. seems to forget that downloading media is stealing; you are getting something without paying for it, and authors are not compensated for the enrichment they give to their audience. What would protect authors from lost revenue when their work is stolen?

  • Re:Actually (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepplesNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday August 30, 2009 @02:59PM (#29253525) Homepage Journal

    Except in areas where the band actually makes a profit (all of our concerts were free at the time and open to the public, no profit was made except during marching band season) how is this not all covered under fair use?

    Because your music director chose to perform works first published on or after January 1, 1923 (in the United States), or works whose author was still alive or had died less than 70 years ago (in most other countries).

  • by mbone ( 558574 ) on Sunday August 30, 2009 @03:00PM (#29253539)

    About 8 years ago, I warned industry types that the end result of their activities would be the destruction of copyright - not because I wanted it destroyed, but because the more hysterical and unbalanced their attempts to protect their legacy business models become, the stronger the inevitable reaction would become.

    I was roundly jumped on for that opinion, but I have seen nothing the period since to make me change it. In fact, I think it's now like Communism during the 20 years after the suppression of the Prague Spring - it's already too late to reform it, and the only real question is how the end will come.

  • Re:haha (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Stevecrox ( 962208 ) on Monday August 31, 2009 @05:27AM (#29258515) Journal
    I'm English, I live in Yeovil, Somerset. I was born in Plymouth, Devon in an NHS hospital. No one I know or have met has called NICE nasty, not even the tabloid trash like The Sun or The Mirror call NICE nasty.

    We also have private hopsitals, I've even known people who had knee surgery in a private hospital paid for by the NHS because the NHS didn't have an open slot soon enough. If thr NHS won't treat you you can rely on your medical insurrance (if you have any) to get you treated. I have private healthcare myself, never used it.

    I don't know why I'm bothering your obviously just an eejit troll.
  • Re:haha (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mfleonhardt ( 1628119 ) on Monday August 31, 2009 @06:53AM (#29258751)
    I think you're confusing needs with wants, even if the arts did make Maslow's hierarchy. You can label it what you want, but do I believe that a person should have a monopoly over the products of the labor of his/her own mind? Absolutely. Society has no right to something that someone has created. It is the property of the person/company that created it. As a composer and a software engineer, I deal in intellectual property. Why should I have any less a right to the product of my work than I do to any physical property I might purchase?

Love may laugh at locksmiths, but he has a profound respect for money bags. -- Sidney Paternoster, "The Folly of the Wise"

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