It seems that Swedish regulators have decided to extend the requirement of not calling yourself a bank to the registration of domain names. Now anyone that tries to register a .SE domain name with the word "bank" in it will need to prove they are a legitimate bank. Hopefully there are no blood banks or anyone with the last name of "Banks" that might want a .SE domain. Here is a Google translation of the demand issued by the authorities to the .SE registry.
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my doughnut activism site (bankrispiekremes.se), my Cretaceous-themed bar's site (clubankylosaurus.se), and my large brass instrument tribute to 90's crap pop site (tubankotb.se). Sigh.
So that explains why I couldn't reach www.BjörnsSpankBank.se and I'll have you know that I expect a full refund for the *cough* services that "Björn" failed to render. Thankfully www.BjörnsPörn.se is still up or I'd have to switch to Swiss or *shudder* German sites.
Also, sorry to the three or four Swedes out there that were going to launch individual websites to show off their antique piggy bank collections over the next decade.
Of common sense. There should be some things allowed within reason though. I can think of a few things that have "bank" in them that would not ever be misinterpreted as being a bank.
Espcially since a lot of other meanings for bank [reference.com] came first. The original use of bank, in terms of elevation, came into use around 1150-2000 AD, while the bank that handles money didn't exist until 1425-1475 AD. Also, the original word can trace it's origins back to the swedish word, backe [google.ca], meaning hill.
Although, it wouldn't be long before we start seeing 'MoneyRepositoryOfNigeria.com' 1)Sign up for an online account 2)Enter your current bank's name, web address, your id number and password 3) Click submit to "transfer" your money from your old account to your new money repository account. It's that simple!
Imagine having to audit their liquidity? I believe thier best practices for an audit involve lots of defrosting and shuddering by a third party accounting firm.
Hopefully there are no blood banks or anyone with the last name of "Banks" that might want a.SE domain
The ban on the characters "B A N K S" in that order is obviously a thinly-veiled attack on Wolfram Alpha, particularly on Stephen Wolfram.
As well all know, Stephen Wolfram is the man behind Wolfram Alpha, and also the man behind the "New Kind of Science" -- NKS.
Also, as we all know, the ancient Egyptian word for soul is "Ba".
Therefore, we can conclude that the controllers of the.SE domain have a vendetta against Stephen Wolfram, the soul behind NKS... the Ba-NKS.
So who cares about the edge cases of blood banks or food banks or river banks or the purveyors of fine piggy banks. The real concern here is that there is a government conspiracy against a potential rival of Google... how deeply does Google have its claws sunk into European governments? When can be expect them to ban "Bing" from the url of any site that is not owned by either a registered wholesaler of a certain kind of cherry or a seller of outdated Christmas music?
There are over 2000 domains with "bank" as part of their name in the.se-domain - most of them are not banks in the traditional we-take-care-of-your-money banks. One example is platsbanken.se which is the national goverment register of open jobb.
And strangely enough some of the real big banks don't use bank in their domain name.
I know from several involded in the NIC.SE they dont like this at all and intend to fight it. Actually this is something that has been pushed by the banks for several years but became more prominent because of well-published fishing-scams against the banks - which actually managed to steal some money. The 'fun' part is that the fishing attempts didn't use.se domain names but domain names in other TLDs.
Tracing who created an.SE domain is easier then for other TLD so we probably will never see anyone trying to use the.SE TLD for fishing scams against the banks. So PTS - the national post and telphone goverment overseer - are pushing an agenda that won't really had help against the fishing attempts.
So this is nothing that are decided - yet. It will be a battle between PTS and NIC.SE over who decide over domain names.
The press release [www.pts.se] (Swedish) from PTS (the regulating body referred to) makes it clear that the word is banned unless for banks or if it is otherwise clear that the name in question can not lead to misunderstandings.
A little more information than what you can get from the summary, TFA or the contentless blog rant TFA links to.
So what if I have a domain name promoting bankruptcy related legal services, or a travel website for Fairbanks Alaska, or snowbanking, etc. There's probably a huge list of things I haven't already thought of, but... it seems to not really address the problem with financial service website forgery. I doubt some identity thief will go "Well snap!, lets wrap it up boys, Sweden finally put an end to our tomfoolery!, the game is up!"
When setting up a company in the UK your name is also restricted [companieshouse.gov.uk], though notably they do not include "bank" as sensitive, I assume in recognition of the variety of uses. The principle is a good one - people often assume an element of legitimacy to a limited company and assume they are somehow "approved". A limited company effectively makes a bargain with society: its investors enjoy limited liability but in return must conform to certain rules and make certain information public. Does any such bargain exist for domains?
Unless this denial is automatic and without recourse, having no allowance for human review or appeal, then the only problem I see here is yet another Slashdot article exaggerating the facts for the sake of copy.
English is not a romance language either. Both English and Swedish are Germanic languages, and Swedish does use 'bank' in the manner suggested (blodbank = blood bank, pantbank = pawn shop, platsbank = jobs available etc). It's not a bad point that different languages don't necessarily correspond in usage though.
They haven't banned the word bank. They've merely asked the registrar to highlight requests containing the word "bank" so that they can be checked for adherence to an existing law regarding portraying a company as a banking institution if it is not.
Confirmed, in the original, untranslated PDF.
They even point out (like a score of/.ers did) that the word "bank" has several meanings.
Easier solution - *.bank.se (Score:5, Insightful)
Let sweden register "bank.se" and offer subdomains only to valid banks.
It works here in the UK - schools get .sch.uk, the police get .police.uk, etc., while we normal people get .plc.uk, .me.uk, .co.uk and so on.
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It won't work
You will get, just
www.bankofsweden.me.se
And nobody will notice.
I bet that even a
www.bankofsweden.yahoo.com will fool most of stupid users
But if they actually ban anything with word 'bank' it might at least help a bit
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we already have that.
Think of all the spam we get that goes to something like ht[]tp://bankofamerica.abcd3242.com
Re:Easier solution - *.bank.se (Score:5, Insightful)
www.bankofsweden.me.se And nobody will notice. I bet that even a www.bankofsweden.yahoo.com will fool most of stupid users
Agreed. There are few cures for stupidity, and regulating the word "bank" in a domain name is not one of them.
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regulating the word "bank" in a domain name
Yeah... somebody should make a website...
www.BanKookyIdeas.se
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I get lots of phishing scams with referred domains formatted like:
www.secure.chasebank.com.clientlogin.app37o7.se
www.fifththird.com.secure.clientid411739.cn
and it's obviously enough to fool at least some people
So much for... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:So much for... (Score:5, Funny)
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Or any domain using any of these words:
http://www.morewords.com/contains/bank/ [morewords.com]
Re:Easier solution - *.bank.se (Score:4, Interesting)
Your argument is as sound as "People will not buy vanity plates with obsceninites because it is illegal".
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That Explains It (Score:5, Funny)
Sperm banks & food banks out of luck (Score:2)
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Re:Sperm banks & food banks out of luck (Score:5, Funny)
They will simply become Swedish Sperm Savings and Loans.
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Made me think of Ghostbusters (Score:2, Funny)
Sudden Outbreak... (Score:3, Insightful)
Of common sense. There should be some things allowed within reason though. I can think of a few things that have "bank" in them that would not ever be misinterpreted as being a bank.
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Huh? (Score:3, Funny)
Sperm banks? West Banks? Bankruptcy Help Club for Men? Anne Bankroft? (Yeah, I know...)
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s/bank/repository/g
Blood repository, sperm repository...etc.
Although, it wouldn't be long before we start seeing 'MoneyRepositoryOfNigeria.com'
1)Sign up for an online account
2)Enter your current bank's name, web address, your id number and password
3) Click submit to "transfer" your money from your old account to your new money repository account.
It's that simple!
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Bummer (Score:5, Funny)
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Thought one used babymakersrus.biz
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No No No No
www.babybatter.se
Re:Bummer (Score:4, Funny)
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A Sperm Bank is probably okay (Score:4, Funny)
As long as they meet the reserve requirements.
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Sigh... (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like their registration system is borked.
Bankrupt blood-bank in Burbank... (Score:2, Funny)
Please proof read your sig file... (Score:2, Funny)
It's a good thing you don't attach that to everything... oh, wait...
Edge cases (Score:4, Funny)
The ban on the characters "B A N K S" in that order is obviously a thinly-veiled attack on Wolfram Alpha, particularly on Stephen Wolfram.
.SE domain have a vendetta against Stephen Wolfram, the soul behind NKS... the Ba-NKS.
As well all know, Stephen Wolfram is the man behind Wolfram Alpha, and also the man behind the "New Kind of Science" -- NKS.
Also, as we all know, the ancient Egyptian word for soul is "Ba".
Therefore, we can conclude that the controllers of the
So who cares about the edge cases of blood banks or food banks or river banks or the purveyors of fine piggy banks. The real concern here is that there is a government conspiracy against a potential rival of Google... how deeply does Google have its claws sunk into European governments? When can be expect them to ban "Bing" from the url of any site that is not owned by either a registered wholesaler of a certain kind of cherry or a seller of outdated Christmas music?
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An obvious joke, more like, and I'm as puzzled at the Insightful mod as you are.
So I guess Softbank (Score:3, Funny)
Looks like... (Score:3, Funny)
Svenske? Nei (Score:3, Funny)
Who cares about the Swedes anyway. Norway is much better.
Rob A. Bank (Score:3, Informative)
2000+ domains with bank in the name in .se (Score:5, Informative)
There are over 2000 domains with "bank" as part of their name in the .se-domain - most of them are not banks in the traditional we-take-care-of-your-money banks. One example is platsbanken.se which is the national goverment register of open jobb.
And strangely enough some of the real big banks don't use bank in their domain name.
I know from several involded in the NIC .SE they dont like this at all and intend to fight it. Actually this is something that has been pushed by the banks for several years but became more prominent because of well-published fishing-scams against the banks - which actually managed to steal some money. The 'fun' part is that the fishing attempts didn't use .se domain names but domain names in other TLDs.
Tracing who created an .SE domain is easier then for other TLD so we probably will never see anyone trying to use the .SE TLD for fishing scams against the banks. So PTS - the national post and telphone goverment overseer - are pushing an agenda that won't really had help against the fishing attempts.
So this is nothing that are decided - yet. It will be a battle between PTS and NIC .SE over who decide over domain names.
Besides the obvious (Score:2)
There is also the possibility that a domain name might have a combination of letters that could spell "bank". Something like turbankiosk.se.
Holy sensationalist summary, Batman! (Score:5, Informative)
The press release [www.pts.se] (Swedish) from PTS (the regulating body referred to) makes it clear that the word is banned unless for banks or if it is otherwise clear that the name in question can not lead to misunderstandings.
A little more information than what you can get from the summary, TFA or the contentless blog rant TFA links to.
Not a great idea (Score:2)
So what if I have a domain name promoting bankruptcy related legal services, or a travel website for Fairbanks Alaska, or snowbanking, etc. There's probably a huge list of things I haven't already thought of, but... it seems to not really address the problem with financial service website forgery. I doubt some identity thief will go "Well snap!, lets wrap it up boys, Sweden finally put an end to our tomfoolery!, the game is up!"
I'm safe (Score:2)
no bank/banks? (Score:2)
so...no sperm banks either?
Or if your name is "banks" [wikipedia.org]?
Or if you happen to be a particular brand of beer [wikipedia.org].
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Or want to talk about a place where water and and land meet.
But my bank doesn't have 'bank' in the domain (Score:2)
so no (Score:2)
bobeubanks.se for Bob Eubanks
company names (Score:3, Interesting)
When setting up a company in the UK your name is also restricted [companieshouse.gov.uk], though notably they do not include "bank" as sensitive, I assume in recognition of the variety of uses. The principle is a good one - people often assume an element of legitimacy to a limited company and assume they are somehow "approved". A limited company effectively makes a bargain with society: its investors enjoy limited liability but in return must conform to certain rules and make certain information public. Does any such bargain exist for domains?
Slashdot sensationalism again? (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless this denial is automatic and without recourse, having no allowance for human review or appeal, then the only problem I see here is yet another Slashdot article exaggerating the facts for the sake of copy.
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Re:Why is everyone assuming they use... (Score:4, Informative)
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Confirmed, in the original, untranslated PDF. They even point out (like a score of /.ers did) that the word "bank" has several meanings.