alphadogg sends in a Network World piece on the unexpectedly effective technologies Iran is now employing to thwart their citizens' access to the Net. "While the government's initial efforts to censor the Internet were blunt and often ineffective, it has started employing more sophisticated tools to thwart dissidents' attempts to communicate with each other and the outside world. Iranian dissidents are not alone in their struggle, however, as several sympathetic hacker groups have been working to keep them online. One such group is NedaNet, whose mission is to 'help the Iranian people by setting up networks of proxy severs, anonymizers, and any other appropriate technologies that can enable them to communicate and organize.' NedaNet project coordinator Morgan Sennhauser, who has just written a paper detailing the Iranian government's latest efforts to thwart hackers (PDF), says that the government's actions have been surprisingly robust and have challenged hackers in ways that the Chinese government's efforts at censorship have not."
Hey! Bored, and waiting for a phone call, so I figured, what else to do but reply to the comments on slashdot!
1) Right now we recommend Tor, we're testing out some other solutions that will be more easily integrated into how people are already using their computers. Dumb down the client requirements as much as possible. However, it's hard, since any solution is temporary- it's just a matter of how temporary. That said, we do have a few tools used for specific purposes inside Iran, however they're quite
The government employs the most respected hacker in the world, and he'll end up getting defeated by some 17-year old kid in a winner-take-all hacking showdown.
And who is providing the Iranian government with the technical know-how to implement these censoring measures?
Is it private consultants? Is it foreign governments?
Is there sufficient know-how within Iran's pro-government citizenship to effect the censorship?
I'm very curious who, if anyone, is helping Iran's government do this. Because I do control a decent amount of spending, and I'd like to know if there's anyone I do business with that I should think twice about renewing contracts with. I'd be disappointed, and more than a bit shocked, if any of my suppliers are helping Iran do this. But there is precedent [ibmandtheholocaust.com]. And my (and my employer's) dollars can speak a lot louder than this comment.
FWIW... I'm taking Nokie/Siemens words with a grain of salt... they are not exactly a neutral party.
I don't know if they should be considered in any way culpable (lots of research to be done), but any link that contains the words "press release" needs to be vetted thoroughly by an independent party.
Nokia-Siemens are basically stating (correctly) 'we didn't do anything there that we aren't required to do elsewhere.' That's all well and good, but it doesn't address the fundamental question: Is what they did in Iran (and do elsewhere) the Right Thing?
The whole question about how - and when, and who - to intercept in the context of the Internet is particularly troubling. Here's an excerpt from a longer piece [imagicity.com] I wrote about the situation:
Nokia-Siemens, defending its role in the creation of a centralised mobile telecommuncations network, stated recently that:
In most countries around the world, including all EU member states and the U.S., telecommunications networks are legally required to have the capability for Lawful Intercept and this is also the case in Iran. Lawful Intercept is specified in standards defined by ETSI (European Telecommunications Standards Institute) and the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project).
Yes, decentralised communications come at a cost. They make surveillance efforts of all kinds more difficult. The two competing questions we need to ask ourselves are:
How far are we willing to compromise ourselves in the pursuit of state security?
How much are we willing to compromise state surveillance capability in order to protect our own freedom to communicate?
These are knotty issues with complex and often subtle ramifications on society. They demand a level of public engagement on the principle - and more importantly, the practice - of free speech that we havenâ(TM)t seen since the Red Scare of the 1950s.
And who supplies the FBI and NSA's intercept software and hardware for all their warrentless wiretaps?
the Iranian country is small for internet access, and they have carefully controlled it from the beginning. The trick here is the no one can actually say anything as the same hardware and software is even used for LEGAL wiretaps by just about everybody. What is needed is for someone to make a second Internet and trick the world into using it before governemetns realize they can't control it.
And what if they're using *gasp* linux. A local coffee shop I frequent use many of the same techniques to try to stop people from downloading torrent files after getting a couple infringement notices. They do it via a Gentoo linux box and off the shelf FOSS tools. They don't do the DPI or SPI, but everything else, such as QoS, blocking ports, and IP blocks they do and it doesn't take a super consultant to set it up. I know the kid who set up this box. He's knows enough to do it, but isn't any type of super genius.
Can you get around the blocks here at the shop? Yes, but only if you know what you're doing. I can do it. I know a couple others who can as well, but 95% of the people sipping coffee around me don't have a clue. And it's enough to thwart the average attempt to use services like limewire and Bit Torrent.
It's quite possible that they're using tools they are implementing without outside help. But given the scope of the project, and the increase in effectiveness, I'd expect that they've hired someone to help.
What are you saying there aren't smart, technical savvy people inside Iran, some of whom may work for their security services? There are fairly bright people all over this earth, and they all different ideas of "right/wrong". SIGINT's price tag has come down a lot thanks to commodity hardware and community software. I'm willing someone somewhere in their intelligence apparatus saw this coming, had the tools, but had to have the right time to show case their talents. And given Iran's nature of wanting to
And my (and my employer's) dollars can speak a lot louder than this comment.
The great thing about the internet is that your comment can speak louder. Maybe your comment convinces someone to do a little digging and find out who is helping Iran. After that ten other people, maybe some with even greater spending power than the yourself hear about this and follow suit. These people tell other people and a movement is born, Iran is finally reformed. All because of your comment. Now this is starting to sound like a Hallmark film.
And who is providing the Iranian government with the technical know-how to implement these censoring measures? Is it private consultants? Is it foreign governments?
This is a good question. I've asked a few people and no one is fessing up to suppling Iran publicly. I've worked in that particular industry so I have some good contacts who should know. We know they use software from CA based Secure Computing, but the company denies having sold them a license so it seems they're just pirating the software. The Nokia Siemens partnership is selling them some gear but denies selling them monitoring software for anything other than cell phone networks.
Is there sufficient know-how within Iran's pro-government citizenship to effect the censorship?
There is a surprising amount of network traffic shaping and monitoring software related to the middle east. Half the startup companies in the business a few years ago had founders educated in Israel. It is possible, therefor that the locals do have such knowledge, but on the other hand the Israelis and Iranians don't really get along (understatement of the year nomination please).
And my (and my employer's) dollars can speak a lot louder than this comment.
I'm all in favor of accountability. I'd like to think the press would be competent enough to figure do some serious investigation of this and that the US government would make sure any companies involved were exposed as such to the public as well as subjected to punishments for doing business there (at least being unavailable for US contracts for a few years). I'm afraid I've become more of a cynic iver the last decade and I have little faith in either the press or the US government to push for the truth and hold people accountable. But seeing as most of the public has the attention span of a fruit fly and doesn't care enough to vote based upon such things anyway, I suppose we get what we deserve.
Accountability, the man says? Where is the media? Are they ALL in bed with the politicos?
The fact is, politicians have not only enabled monitoring and censorship, they have mandated it. There is no reason in the world to think that only "good guys" will have those weapons. Monitoring and censorship are a little like guns and knives - good guys might have them, bad guys WILL have them.
The accountability for repressive technology begins in the UK's ministries, and in the US' congress and senate, and we can
"I'm all in favor of accountability. I'd like to think the press would be competent enough to figure do some serious investigation of this and that the US government would make sure any companies involved were exposed as such to the public as well as subjected to punishments for doing business there (at least being unavailable for US contracts for a few years)"
The problem with this is that the US government doesn't do it fairly.
Look at the Senators who complained about Nokia/Siemens selling stuff to Iran un
"China has several gigabytes per second of traffic to deal with and has a lot more international businesses," he says. "They can't be as heavy-handed with their filtration. The Iranians aren't as concerned about that⦠so they get to use all these fancy toys that, if the Chinese used them, could cripple their economy."
I myself ordered Chinese products from sites using SSL. I don't think even they would be crazy enough to turn down money - but it seems Iran's leaders are. Are they going North Korea style? At least Chinese have a positive side to their repressive government. They have the money, they'll transform that to power and influence. Iran's policy is VERY bad for business - who seem to really WANT their people to be poor and unemployed. Which also leads to emigration of smart, competent and anybody willing to work. So yes, killing protesters and having a idiotic clerical fascistic system will make Iran poor and irrelevant in time. Countries with saner systems will benefit from importing their disgruntled intellectual elite - because smart people might be more tolerant by average, but also have lower tolerance for being served hypocritical crap.
Iran and China are not the same thing. Iran's government is much more repressive. It's not a technology issue. It's a repression issue. The "quote" acts like China and Iran are apples to apples and if China could do it too, they would. Just because China is repressive doesn't mean all repression is equal, and that they and Iran are two equals on a scale of *free -to- enslaved* . It's like when people try to compare to US to Iran because you can cherry pick incidents from each country and draw parallels. It'
So yes, killing protesters and having a idiotic clerical fascistic system will make Iran poor and irrelevant in time.
As someone who fled for exactly those reasons, I fully agree with whole of your comment, except that little bit about a clerical fascistic system.
The recent "election" (read coup) was the beginning of transformation of Iran from a theocratic oligarchy into a military dictatorship. Otensibly, Khamenei and a few select clerics hold some power, but in reality, revolutionary guards' commander
If there exists any means of communication that is not blocked, that means can be subverted to support every form of communication. As a result, any partial technological block will inevitably be defeated.
The alternative to censorship is self-censorship - alter society such that it no longer wants to communicate in such-and-such a form, or to transmit such-and-such information. This has mixed results. Certainly, China and Iran haven't done well in convincing their citizens not to communicate with the outside world. On the other hand, the Pitcairn Islanders are not exactly broadcasting the facts behind the crimes of the power-brokers there.
I guess the difference is that all the Pitcairn Islanders are, to some extent, guilty of the crimes that only a handful were actually convicted for, and talking could lead to their conviction as well. On the other hand, dissidents in Iran and China don't see themselves as guilty of the crimes of their leadership and so have no need to protect themselves.
(One wonders how many other people have been silent of things they should have spoken up over, to avoid being convicted. It's a part of the censorship debate that IS important, as it is the only part that cannot be technologically circumvented. Well, not until mind-reading machines have been developed.)
In a way, I guess the Iranian censorship technology is a good thing, in that it seems to be pressing the technologists more, forcing them to come up with cleverer solutions. It's good for the mind and may, someday, lead to Iranian inventors and innovators gaining some clout in the world. Adverse conditions tend to produce some brilliant minds.
The Iranian, Farsi speaking people have a complex and fascinating history. Farsi, like English, is an Indo-European language, and, the Persian Empire could be said to be the catalyst driving the birth of Europe. The Spartan and Athenian alliance bringing the victory of the Persian Wars was thought by the Greeks to be caused by the Gods as the Persians were seen as Asians and, it was thought, the Gods would never allow one people to rule both Europe and Asia. The matter grows complex as Alexander Hellenized the Persian world. Although in Persia lower caste people would abase themselves before someone seen to be a superior, but the Greeks only bowed to a God and thus the Persian custom was seen as Alexander elevating himself to the ranks of the Gods. But for my money the big fillip was introduced, perhaps by the Jews, when sin was passed from the King to the people. Some ancient civilizations were known to have beaten the statues of Gods when things went wrong and, further down the road, Kings and priests were punished when things went wrong as it was thought they were custodians and servants of the Gods and thus responsible if the Gods should be made angry. Some tyrant, somewhere, came up with the truly remarkable idea that if sin was ascribed to the people s/he ruled, then, if the Gods punished the people it was the peoples fault. This ascription of sin to the populous was one of the neatest tricks a ruling elite ever effected on an enslaved population. I think all western theocracies are supported by this central idea, that each person is born into sin and is a sinner and thus accountable for anything and everything that goes wrong.
We're creatures of context and our ideologies are drawn from and enforced by the symbols that surround us. From this it follow that freedom of speech is fundamental to democracy and personal growth. If Iran is to grow and the Iranian people free themselves, then they must always have available to them the symbols of freedom.
Just my loose change, btw "hello", a decade or so ago we exchanged what I enjoyed as some interesting posts here when I was new to Linux and/., but that was another incarnation.
Not if the government decrees and installs mandatory censorship backdoor software/hardware on every communication device sold. Passing laws for that to happen in the name of the children or the security or freedom is easier than we think. It will probably be called Free Speech Protection or something similar.
Then, even though communication around it will be theoretically possible, the threshold will be high enough from technical standpoint and if tampering with the device is punishable with harsh enough measures, then few enough people will make efforts to go around it, which is few enough from the governing entity's standpoint.
Possible future solutions are being beta tested in places like UAE, China, Korea, and now Iran.
And speaking of bright minds, history shows that oppressive governments never mind putting a bullet through one.
I feel sad for their people. However, the solution has to come from within. Now that USA has freed itself from the tyranny of the extreme right, we can hope that Iran can do the same. Remember, regimes do fall, often with no violence or war.
Those that fall without violence generally (but not universally) do better than those that fall with violence. Violent revolutionaries tend to fear being replaced by yet other violent revolutionaries, which can lead to ever-increasing oppression. This is not a universal rule.
The closest thing that there is to a universal rule is that societies are better off for solving their own problems, rather than having a solution imposed. Especially if the imposer and imposee are culturally and/or technologi
The simplest way to bypass hardware monitoring devices is to hide your message inside an innocuous message. Plain-text stenography has been around a long time. Have the important letters follow a known series, then fill in the gaps such that the message appears to be genuine and innocent.
You can also use non-technical solutions, such as using phospher-based invisible ink. You can get this past censors by using an ink that IS visible but is based on something that sublimates at room temperature. The visible
Assuming that the government of Iran has some concern for the world's opinions just how do they hope to justify disallowing free speech and association?
Did Iran take lessons from Bush or something?
I can't be bothered with an on-line PDF-file — is voting fraud [slashdot.org] on the list? Because the Honduran fraudster got the backing [thehill.com] of the current US Administration... Someone needs to tell the mullahs, that the easiest way to the heart of America's President may lie through something, that they already doing...
The amazing thing is that there is enough intellectual firepower which supports this draconian regime to even dream up these 5 technologies.
After all, advanced education in other than the Koran is viewed with deep suspicion by the Islamasists that have risen to power. Showing up God!
That leaves those educated in a more liberal era/setting and its heartbreaking to see such people apply their knowledge propping up such a brutal government.
If and when this segment turns, the game is over for the Mullahs.
What if to move every day a hard-disk, say 1 or 2 TB, for sort of a http proxy via the border.
While outside the firewall, download on it websites, which may be of an interest and serve them from within of your office or home LAN.
Yes, so far, such a hard disk is still detectable. But if memory volume of a flash drives will continue to grow, I can imagine a point of time, when the whole Internet, or at least forbidden Internet, could be carried over the border on a minuscule flash drive. Which then is plu
Yes, Iran has a long history of attacking other countries in wars of aggression so claiming peaceful use is a farce. Nuclear technologiy is only safe with peaceful countries who have never lead any wars of aggression or used WMD, like say the U.S.A. and Germany.
Agreed. I'm optimistic that there will be a day when there are no wars, but unfortunately I think that will be right after the meteor wipes us humans off the face of the earth.
And, THAT is exactly why I want to see a city on the moon, more cities on Mars, and ships headed out, deeper into space, to plant more colonies yet.
How the hell we gonna have Star Wars, if everyone is killed off by a single comet? We must spread out to preserve our capability to wage war!!! Or, even peace, now and then.
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Since this was written by a NedaNet [nedanet.org] guy, my question would be "Does NedaNet provide a end-user solution for normal Iranians.
Weird though that their website isn't reachable by https.
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Hey! Bored, and waiting for a phone call, so I figured, what else to do but reply to the comments on slashdot!
1) Right now we recommend Tor, we're testing out some other solutions that will be more easily integrated into how people are already using their computers. Dumb down the client requirements as much as possible. However, it's hard, since any solution is temporary- it's just a matter of how temporary. That said, we do have a few tools used for specific purposes inside Iran, however they're quite
One (Score:3, Informative)
Haystack [haystacknetwork.com] (full disclosure: I wrote it.)
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Haystack is NOT from NedaNet.
NedaNet does not endorse Haystack.
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wait a minute... I've seen this movie!
The government employs the most respected hacker in the world, and he'll end up getting defeated by some 17-year old kid in a winner-take-all hacking showdown.
technical assistance (Score:5, Interesting)
Is it private consultants? Is it foreign governments?
Is there sufficient know-how within Iran's pro-government citizenship to effect the censorship?
I'm very curious who, if anyone, is helping Iran's government do this. Because I do control a decent amount of spending, and I'd like to know if there's anyone I do business with that I should think twice about renewing contracts with. I'd be disappointed, and more than a bit shocked, if any of my suppliers are helping Iran do this. But there is precedent [ibmandtheholocaust.com]. And my (and my employer's) dollars can speak a lot louder than this comment.
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I don't know if they should be considered in any way culpable (lots of research to be done), but any link that contains the words "press release" needs to be vetted thoroughly by an independent party.
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You are an independent third party.
Re:technical assistance (Score:5, Insightful)
And the company themselves debunked this rumor. http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm [nokiasiemensnetworks.com]
That's a rebuttal, not a refutation.
Nokia-Siemens are basically stating (correctly) 'we didn't do anything there that we aren't required to do elsewhere.' That's all well and good, but it doesn't address the fundamental question: Is what they did in Iran (and do elsewhere) the Right Thing?
The whole question about how - and when, and who - to intercept in the context of the Internet is particularly troubling. Here's an excerpt from a longer piece [imagicity.com] I wrote about the situation:
These are knotty issues with complex and often subtle ramifications on society. They demand a level of public engagement on the principle - and more importantly, the practice - of free speech that we havenâ(TM)t seen since the Red Scare of the 1950s.
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And who supplies the FBI and NSA's intercept software and hardware for all their warrentless wiretaps?
the Iranian country is small for internet access, and they have carefully controlled it from the beginning. The trick here is the no one can actually say anything as the same hardware and software is even used for LEGAL wiretaps by just about everybody. What is needed is for someone to make a second Internet and trick the world into using it before governemetns realize they can't control it.
Re:technical assistance (Score:5, Interesting)
And what if they're using *gasp* linux. A local coffee shop I frequent use many of the same techniques to try to stop people from downloading torrent files after getting a couple infringement notices. They do it via a Gentoo linux box and off the shelf FOSS tools. They don't do the DPI or SPI, but everything else, such as QoS, blocking ports, and IP blocks they do and it doesn't take a super consultant to set it up. I know the kid who set up this box. He's knows enough to do it, but isn't any type of super genius.
Can you get around the blocks here at the shop? Yes, but only if you know what you're doing. I can do it. I know a couple others who can as well, but 95% of the people sipping coffee around me don't have a clue. And it's enough to thwart the average attempt to use services like limewire and Bit Torrent.
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What are you saying there aren't smart, technical savvy people inside Iran, some of whom may work for their security services? There are fairly bright people all over this earth, and they all different ideas of "right/wrong". SIGINT's price tag has come down a lot thanks to commodity hardware and community software. I'm willing someone somewhere in their intelligence apparatus saw this coming, had the tools, but had to have the right time to show case their talents. And given Iran's nature of wanting to
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And my (and my employer's) dollars can speak a lot louder than this comment.
The great thing about the internet is that your comment can speak louder. Maybe your comment convinces someone to do a little digging and find out who is helping Iran. After that ten other people, maybe some with even greater spending power than the yourself hear about this and follow suit. These people tell other people and a movement is born, Iran is finally reformed. All because of your comment. Now this is starting to sound like a Hallmark film.
Re:technical assistance (Score:5, Informative)
And who is providing the Iranian government with the technical know-how to implement these censoring measures? Is it private consultants? Is it foreign governments?
This is a good question. I've asked a few people and no one is fessing up to suppling Iran publicly. I've worked in that particular industry so I have some good contacts who should know. We know they use software from CA based Secure Computing, but the company denies having sold them a license so it seems they're just pirating the software. The Nokia Siemens partnership is selling them some gear but denies selling them monitoring software for anything other than cell phone networks.
Is there sufficient know-how within Iran's pro-government citizenship to effect the censorship?
There is a surprising amount of network traffic shaping and monitoring software related to the middle east. Half the startup companies in the business a few years ago had founders educated in Israel. It is possible, therefor that the locals do have such knowledge, but on the other hand the Israelis and Iranians don't really get along (understatement of the year nomination please).
And my (and my employer's) dollars can speak a lot louder than this comment.
I'm all in favor of accountability. I'd like to think the press would be competent enough to figure do some serious investigation of this and that the US government would make sure any companies involved were exposed as such to the public as well as subjected to punishments for doing business there (at least being unavailable for US contracts for a few years). I'm afraid I've become more of a cynic iver the last decade and I have little faith in either the press or the US government to push for the truth and hold people accountable. But seeing as most of the public has the attention span of a fruit fly and doesn't care enough to vote based upon such things anyway, I suppose we get what we deserve.
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Accountability, the man says? Where is the media? Are they ALL in bed with the politicos?
The fact is, politicians have not only enabled monitoring and censorship, they have mandated it. There is no reason in the world to think that only "good guys" will have those weapons. Monitoring and censorship are a little like guns and knives - good guys might have them, bad guys WILL have them.
The accountability for repressive technology begins in the UK's ministries, and in the US' congress and senate, and we can
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"I'm all in favor of accountability. I'd like to think the press would be competent enough to figure do some serious investigation of this and that the US government would make sure any companies involved were exposed as such to the public as well as subjected to punishments for doing business there (at least being unavailable for US contracts for a few years)"
The problem with this is that the US government doesn't do it fairly.
Look at the Senators who complained about Nokia/Siemens selling stuff to Iran un
No business (Score:4, Interesting)
"China has several gigabytes per second of traffic to deal with and has a lot more international businesses," he says. "They can't be as heavy-handed with their filtration. The Iranians aren't as concerned about that⦠so they get to use all these fancy toys that, if the Chinese used them, could cripple their economy."
I myself ordered Chinese products from sites using SSL. I don't think even they would be crazy enough to turn down money - but it seems Iran's leaders are. Are they going North Korea style? At least Chinese have a positive side to their repressive government. They have the money, they'll transform that to power and influence. Iran's policy is VERY bad for business - who seem to really WANT their people to be poor and unemployed. Which also leads to emigration of smart, competent and anybody willing to work. So yes, killing protesters and having a idiotic clerical fascistic system will make Iran poor and irrelevant in time. Countries with saner systems will benefit from importing their disgruntled intellectual elite - because smart people might be more tolerant by average, but also have lower tolerance for being served hypocritical crap.
Re:No business (Score:5, Insightful)
Oppressive regimes see their own countries' intellectual elite as an enemy.
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As someone who fled for exactly those reasons, I fully agree with whole of your comment, except that little bit about a clerical fascistic system.
The recent "election" (read coup) was the beginning of transformation of Iran from a theocratic oligarchy into a military dictatorship. Otensibly, Khamenei and a few select clerics hold some power, but in reality, revolutionary guards' commander
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Like if your IP address would be out of reach of the iranian secret police
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Censorship is absolute or doomed. (Score:5, Interesting)
If there exists any means of communication that is not blocked, that means can be subverted to support every form of communication. As a result, any partial technological block will inevitably be defeated.
The alternative to censorship is self-censorship - alter society such that it no longer wants to communicate in such-and-such a form, or to transmit such-and-such information. This has mixed results. Certainly, China and Iran haven't done well in convincing their citizens not to communicate with the outside world. On the other hand, the Pitcairn Islanders are not exactly broadcasting the facts behind the crimes of the power-brokers there.
I guess the difference is that all the Pitcairn Islanders are, to some extent, guilty of the crimes that only a handful were actually convicted for, and talking could lead to their conviction as well. On the other hand, dissidents in Iran and China don't see themselves as guilty of the crimes of their leadership and so have no need to protect themselves.
(One wonders how many other people have been silent of things they should have spoken up over, to avoid being convicted. It's a part of the censorship debate that IS important, as it is the only part that cannot be technologically circumvented. Well, not until mind-reading machines have been developed.)
In a way, I guess the Iranian censorship technology is a good thing, in that it seems to be pressing the technologists more, forcing them to come up with cleverer solutions. It's good for the mind and may, someday, lead to Iranian inventors and innovators gaining some clout in the world. Adverse conditions tend to produce some brilliant minds.
Re:Censorship is absolute or doomed. (Score:5, Interesting)
The Iranian, Farsi speaking people have a complex and fascinating history. Farsi, like English, is an Indo-European language, and, the Persian Empire could be said to be the catalyst driving the birth of Europe. The Spartan and Athenian alliance bringing the victory of the Persian Wars was thought by the Greeks to be caused by the Gods as the Persians were seen as Asians and, it was thought, the Gods would never allow one people to rule both Europe and Asia. The matter grows complex as Alexander Hellenized the Persian world. Although in Persia lower caste people would abase themselves before someone seen to be a superior, but the Greeks only bowed to a God and thus the Persian custom was seen as Alexander elevating himself to the ranks of the Gods. But for my money the big fillip was introduced, perhaps by the Jews, when sin was passed from the King to the people. Some ancient civilizations were known to have beaten the statues of Gods when things went wrong and, further down the road, Kings and priests were punished when things went wrong as it was thought they were custodians and servants of the Gods and thus responsible if the Gods should be made angry. Some tyrant, somewhere, came up with the truly remarkable idea that if sin was ascribed to the people s/he ruled, then, if the Gods punished the people it was the peoples fault. This ascription of sin to the populous was one of the neatest tricks a ruling elite ever effected on an enslaved population. I think all western theocracies are supported by this central idea, that each person is born into sin and is a sinner and thus accountable for anything and everything that goes wrong.
We're creatures of context and our ideologies are drawn from and enforced by the symbols that surround us. From this it follow that freedom of speech is fundamental to democracy and personal growth. If Iran is to grow and the Iranian people free themselves, then they must always have available to them the symbols of freedom.
Just my loose change, btw "hello", a decade or so ago we exchanged what I enjoyed as some interesting posts here when I was new to Linux and /., but that was another incarnation.
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Re:Censorship is absolute or doomed. (Score:5, Insightful)
Not if the government decrees and installs mandatory censorship backdoor software/hardware on every communication device sold. Passing laws for that to happen in the name of the children or the security or freedom is easier than we think. It will probably be called Free Speech Protection or something similar.
Then, even though communication around it will be theoretically possible, the threshold will be high enough from technical standpoint and if tampering with the device is punishable with harsh enough measures, then few enough people will make efforts to go around it, which is few enough from the governing entity's standpoint.
Possible future solutions are being beta tested in places like UAE, China, Korea, and now Iran.
And speaking of bright minds, history shows that oppressive governments never mind putting a bullet through one.
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I feel sad for their people. However, the solution has to come from within. Now that USA has freed itself from the tyranny of the extreme right, we can hope that Iran can do the same. Remember, regimes do fall, often with no violence or war.
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Very true.
Those that fall without violence generally (but not universally) do better than those that fall with violence. Violent revolutionaries tend to fear being replaced by yet other violent revolutionaries, which can lead to ever-increasing oppression. This is not a universal rule.
The closest thing that there is to a universal rule is that societies are better off for solving their own problems, rather than having a solution imposed. Especially if the imposer and imposee are culturally and/or technologi
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That's not necessarily true either. Consider Diffie-Hellman-style secure key exchange over an insecure channel [wikipedia.org].
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The simplest way to bypass hardware monitoring devices is to hide your message inside an innocuous message. Plain-text stenography has been around a long time. Have the important letters follow a known series, then fill in the gaps such that the message appears to be genuine and innocent.
You can also use non-technical solutions, such as using phospher-based invisible ink. You can get this past censors by using an ink that IS visible but is based on something that sublimates at room temperature. The visible
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You have no idea how right you are. There's an old saying: "The Internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it."
Can't open TFA (Score:4, Funny)
Is slashdotting one of the technologies being used by the Iranian government?
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Mirror of pdf (Score:5, Informative)
Aiding Iraq (Score:2)
Is that even legal with out a permit? ( here in the US anyway ).
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World Opinion (Score:2)
Assuming that the government of Iran has some concern for the world's opinions just how do they hope to justify disallowing free speech and association?
Did Iran take lessons from Bush or something?
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No, that was Reagan, and Ollie North.
Does it involve voting fraud? (Score:2, Insightful)
I can't be bothered with an on-line PDF-file — is voting fraud [slashdot.org] on the list? Because the Honduran fraudster got the backing [thehill.com] of the current US Administration... Someone needs to tell the mullahs, that the easiest way to the heart of America's President may lie through something, that they already doing...
(Flamebait my muscular behind...)
Amazed it works (Score:2)
The amazing thing is that there is enough intellectual firepower which supports this draconian regime to even dream up these 5 technologies.
After all, advanced education in other than the Koran is viewed with deep suspicion by the Islamasists that have risen to power. Showing up God!
That leaves those educated in a more liberal era/setting and its heartbreaking to see such people apply their knowledge propping up such a brutal government.
If and when this segment turns, the game is over for the Mullahs.
HD 1 TB (Score:2)
While outside the firewall, download on it websites, which may be of an interest and serve them from within of your office or home LAN.
Yes, so far, such a hard disk is still detectable. But if memory volume of a flash drives will continue to grow, I can imagine a point of time, when the whole Internet, or at least forbidden Internet, could be carried over the border on a minuscule flash drive. Which then is plu
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Yes, Iran has a long history of attacking other countries in wars of aggression so claiming peaceful use is a farce.
Nuclear technologiy is only safe with peaceful countries who have never lead any wars of aggression or used WMD, like say the U.S.A. and Germany.
Oh, wait...
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please, dont SHIT online without knowing enough about what you are going to shit about.
I think you missed the entire point of /.
Re:Don't Worry Folks (Score:5, Funny)
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Interesting Name (Score:4, Interesting)
In the 90's, Iran's principal start-up ISP was called neda.net
I can see why the new effort is named after the late Ms. Soltani. Still a coincidence of note.
Iran's gateway out - due to embargo issues - used to be a pair of 9600 Bps USR HST modems, located in Austria. That changed around '95.
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And, THAT is exactly why I want to see a city on the moon, more cities on Mars, and ships headed out, deeper into space, to plant more colonies yet.
How the hell we gonna have Star Wars, if everyone is killed off by a single comet? We must spread out to preserve our capability to wage war!!! Or, even peace, now and then.
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