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Censorship The Media

Wikipedia Censored To Protect Captive Reporter 414

AI writes with a story from the NY Times about a 7-month-long effort, largely successful, to keep news of a Times reporter's kidnapping off of Wikipedia. The Christian Science Monitor, the reporter David Rohde's previous employer, takes a harder look at the issues of censorship and news blackout, linking to several blogs critical of Wikipedia's actions. Rohde escaped from a Taliban compound, along with his translator, on Saturday. "For seven months, The New York Times managed to keep out of the news the fact that one of its reporters, David Rohde, had been kidnapped by the Taliban. But that was pretty straightforward compared with keeping it off Wikipedia. ... A dozen times, user-editors posted word of the kidnapping on Wikipedia's page on Mr. Rohde, only to have it erased. Several times the page was frozen, preventing further editing — a convoluted game of cat-and-mouse that clearly angered the people who were trying to spread the information of the kidnapping... The sanitizing was a team effort, led by Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia, along with Wikipedia administrators and people at The Times."
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  • why (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:01PM (#28521333)

    what was the purpose of censoring the information? was it in order to not give the Taliban any news time or was it an attempt to hide the hideous things the Taliban does in an effort to not bolster cries to rid us of them once and for all?

    It seems to me that this is more political then anything.

  • Re:Double Standard (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:09PM (#28521415)

    I wonder how many of those public statements about kidnaps are in the new because parents, family members or friends push for it to be there while the more kidnap savvy reporters know it will only hurt their efforts for safe release/escape of their friend.

  • by CarpetShark ( 865376 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:28PM (#28521649)

    Seriously, the reporter is kidnapped. You know what his captors want? Publicity for their campaign.

    Amnesty saves captives' lives by the very principle of spreading information of their capture, and has been doing so for a very long time. I suspect this has little to do with saving the captive's life, and more to do with a newspaper deciding it knows how to control the media, and probably should for their employee/friend's sake, without taking the time to think about whether it's actually the right course of action. Ironic for a newspaper to believe in censoring information.

  • by cluge ( 114877 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:37PM (#28521761) Homepage
    Not trying to troll but this behavior begs the question; Why is it OK to self censor and ask others to censor to protect a reporter, but it's not OK to do the same when coalition soldiers are involved? -cluge
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:41PM (#28521809)

    What defines 'breaking news'?

    Obama was listed on Wikipedia as "sworn in" two minutes after he took the oath of office. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&oldid=265312210 [wikipedia.org]

    This guy was kidnapped for 7 months, and it was still considered breaking news at that point?

  • by KillerBob ( 217953 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:44PM (#28521847)

    The real question here, which should be addressed to both Wikipedia and the New York Times is: why censor news regarding this particular kidnapping, when your general policy is the exact opposite, of detailed reporting on every kidnapping case you hear about?

    Well, while I'm not sure it's applicable to this incident, I do remember a few years back when news and details about a Canadian aid worker who was kidnapped was kept quiet. In that particular case, it was because he had a husband back home waiting for him... They decided that it was better to suppress the information than risk the taliban beheading him for no reason other than he was gay.

    It could also have been because they didn't want him to become a celebrity. They may have felt that he was kidnapped in the hopes of making headlines, and getting publicity for their cause. Deny them that publicity, and eventually they might give up and let him go.

    *shrugs* we don't know at the moment, and we may never know, but there's two very good reasons to suppress the information.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29, 2009 @07:45PM (#28521851)

    Hmm, not sure where you got your definition, but dictionary.com, says:

    "an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds"

    Seems like censorship to me.

  • Why should it be? GP is absolutely right. In NONE of those cases should it receive publicity - if publicity is what the kidnappers want. Our supposed "right to know" ends when it can cost someone else their life in exchange - particularly if that exchange is not one that the victim has agreed to.
  • by CWRUisTakingMyMoney ( 939585 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @08:25PM (#28522301)
    It probably has to do with the fact that, generally, MIA soldiers are identified publicly by the DoDâ"at least after a while. Once the Pentagon's gone public, there's no reason not to report on it. This sort of goes to my problem with some of the "double standard" replies here: It's true that the media tend to report widely on kidnapping victims when they're not kidnapped by terrorists, but instead by rapists or murderers or just plain crazy folk. I'm uncomfortable with the scope of some of this reporting, but it has a positive function in that it might just help people recognize a kidnap victim. Just like Amber Alerts. Now, the rules should change when terrorists are doing the kidnapping. Many Middle Eastern terrorists have shown a clear pattern of kidnapping, hyping, hyping, threatening, hyping, and then killing their captive, all for publicity and political ends. If the hype and publicity are denied them, they might not cross the line into killing. They're after a fundamentally different thing from what non-terrorists are after. Of course, part of the decision here was that it was a reporter, and the media like to protect their own for obvious and understandable reasons of human emotion; and sometimes (though not always) the media report on terrorist hostages even when it's detrimental to the hostages' interests, but what the Times did here was probably the right thing.
  • Re:Hypocrites (Score:3, Interesting)

    by thePowerOfGrayskull ( 905905 ) <marc...paradise@@@gmail...com> on Monday June 29, 2009 @08:42PM (#28522513) Homepage Journal
    [Citation Needed]. Please, find examples where they blab about a kidnapping of a non-reporter, when doing so would cost the life of the victim. You may find one or two - but not nearly as many as occur every year. I know the movies like to portray reporters as uniformly unethical creatures who will sell their mothers for a story and career advancement, damn the consequences. But the realitiy is that you'll be hard pressed to find those examples I asked for.
  • by stimpleton ( 732392 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @09:18PM (#28522839)
    Who will ever know? What we do know is Enigma knew that the target was codeword "Korn". At the time they did not realise Korn = Coventry. They did however know Korn was not London.

    That night Churchill cancelled his scheduled trip out of london and remained in the city....
  • Yes, when the choice comes down to democracy vs safety, I choose democracy.

    It's easy to choose between someone else's safety and your perceived rights within a democracy. (NOte that I still don't see how you have a "right" to this information; in the same way you don't have a "right" to information about troop movements.)

    But here, the problem is a double standard: newspapers keeping information about a kidnapped reporter quiet, while reporting on many other hostages.

    Well, that's the thing - as I've mentioned elsewhere, I've been looking for cases where the newspaper is reporting on other hostages and the act of reporting on them places them in further danger, and I am coming up blank. As a result, I'm not seeing the double standard.

  • by GaryPatterson ( 852699 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @10:39PM (#28523513)

    All of which is so easy to say when neither you nor anyone you love stands to be the person who suffers most.

    Would you be in such a rush to publish if it were your wife, son, daughter, mother, father or whatever? Knowing that you'd be giving the publicity to actual terrorists and likely signing the death warrant of your loved one?

    I'd bet a vast amount of money that you'd cave on your principles, especially when strict adherence to them gives the kidnappers precisely what they want.

    Get off your soapbox and consider the situation here. Really think about exactly how much you would personally sacrifice if you were involved in this.

  • by bky1701 ( 979071 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @10:43PM (#28523543) Homepage

    To top if off, now we're left with a question: Can wikipedia be trusted to be impartial and open anymore?

    Simple answer: it never could be [wikitruth.info].

  • by rm999 ( 775449 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @10:48PM (#28523583)

    I believe "breaking news" means you are the first to report the news story, i.e. "break" that story. In the case of Obama's inauguration, its moot because everyone knew about it at the same time - it was a scheduled event.

    Wikipedia, an encyclopedia (which is generally a secondary or tertiary source), cannot report on events like a news source does. It has to cite a news source and establish that the news source has been reliable in the past and can be trusted. This is often a slow process.

  • by Joe U ( 443617 ) on Monday June 29, 2009 @11:42PM (#28523915) Homepage Journal

    Do you have an example of anything ever written in any part of the world that could be considered a unbiased source

    Sure, it's 77 degrees (F) at 11:41 pm and the sun has set for the day here.

    IMHO this is a case where the means (temporary suppression of information) totally justified the end (a live reporter)

    Yes, the ends justified the means, and all it cost was the last of Wikipedia's integrity.

  • by mi ( 197448 ) <slashdot-2017q4@virtual-estates.net> on Tuesday June 30, 2009 @12:18AM (#28524133) Homepage Journal

    Our supposed "right to know" ends when it can cost someone else their life in exchange

    This is all very convincing, and I nearly swallowed NYT's argument [washingtonpost.com] myself, until I realized, that it could have (should have?) been applied to some inflammatory things they did publish earlier.

    The Abu Ghraib abuse photos are the most obvious example — imagine NYT and wire-agencies respecting a Bush administration's request not to publish them so as not to "negatively affect" the US military's mission — and cost a lot of lives...

    What else are the media and Wikipedia valiantly suppressing right now for the "greater good"?..

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