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The Electronic Police State 206

gerddie writes "Cryptohippie has published what may be called a first attempt to describe the 'electronic police state' (PDF). Based on information available from different organizations such as Electronic Privacy Information Center, Reporters Without Borders, and Freedom House, countries were rated on 17 criteria with regard to how close they are already to an electronic police state. The rankings are for 2008. Not too surprisingly, one finds China, North Korea, Belarus, and Russia at the top of the list. But the next slots are occupied by the UK (England and Wales), the US, Singapore, Israel, France, and Germany." This is a good start, but it would be good to see details of their methodology. They do provide the raw data (in XLS format), but no indication of the weightings they apply to the elements of "electronic police state" behavior they are scoring.
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The Electronic Police State

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  • Scores vs Rankings (Score:5, Informative)

    by biocute ( 936687 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @12:16AM (#27917753)

    I downloaded the raw data. Some countries are missing, and the results are quite different from the PDF:

    59-China
    54-United Kingdom: England & Wales
    53-Singapore
    53-United States of America
    52-France
    52-Germany
    51-Malaysia
    50-Ireland
    49-Netherlands
    49-United Kingdom: Scotland
    48-Israel
    48-Russia
    45-Australia
    45-Belgium
    45-Japan
    44-Austria
    44-New Zealand
    43-Norway
    41-Italy
    40-Denmark
    40-Taiwan
    39-Canada
    39-Greece
    39-Hungary
    39-Switzerland
    38-Finland
    38-Poland
    38-Slovenia
    38-Sweden
    37-Cyprus
    37-Estonia
    37-Latvia
    37-Lithuania
    37-Malta
    36-Czech Republic
    36-Iceland
    36-Luxembourg
    36-Portugal
    36-Spain
    36-South Africa
    34-Argentina
    33-Romania
    32-Thailand
    31-Bulgaria
    30-Brazil
    28-Philippines
    27-India

  • Re:USA (Score:3, Informative)

    by nedlohs ( 1335013 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @12:19AM (#27917763)

    Go try web browsing in North Korea, let us know if you still feel that way.

  • by tetromino ( 807969 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @12:36AM (#27917889)

    So, if you download their XLS raw data, and add up their scores, the worst 6 nations are:

    1. China, with a score of 3.47
    2. UK (Englad/Wales), with a score of 3.18
    3. US and Singapore (tied for 3rd place), with a score of 3.12
    5. France and Germany (tied for 5th place), with a score of 3.06

    And as for Israel and Russia -- they are tied for 11th place, with a score of 2.82

    Quite different from the top offenders list in the PDF, eh? It gets worse: North Korea and Belarus (in the top 5 according to the PDF) are not even mentioned anywhere in the raw data XLS... So not only did these "experts" pull their data out of their asses, but they managed to fail at adding up their own funny numbers!

  • Re:What is freedom? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dutchmaan ( 442553 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @12:51AM (#27917983) Homepage

    I was thinking more along the lines of a less craven, self-serving gov't. Not sure where you got the anarchy bit from.

    To get a less craven, self-serving govt. The people kinda need to actively participate in government. Choosing the lesser of two evils candidate will no bring about the end your seeking.

  • by Holmwood ( 899130 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @01:25AM (#27918179)

    Scotland has a different legal system from England and Wales. See here for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_law [wikipedia.org]

    Also, historically, camera surveillance wasn't quite as omnipresent in Scotland, though that seems to be changing, based on the last time I was in Edinburgh.

    I'd have to agree with some of the other comments: the data doesn't seem to add up (even accepting their evaluation criteria at face value), and there do seem to be strange omissions (e.g. the lack of looking at police surveillance cameras as an issue).

    That said, this is an issue worth worrying about, and a half-broken metric is at least a start.

  • Re:Is this for real? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Nazlfrag ( 1035012 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @01:29AM (#27918203) Journal

    The usual image of a âoepolice stateâ includes secret police dragging people out of their homes at night, with scenes out of Nazi Germany or Stalinâ(TM)s USSR. The problem with these images is that they are horribly outdated. Thatâ(TM)s how things worked during your grandfatherâ(TM)s war â" that is not how things work now.

    Seems like a perfectly reasonable statement to me. Context matters, people. It won't stop everyone shouting 'Godwin!' and giggling like imbeciles but it is actually a very good metaphor to use when talking about how the imagery people associate with police states is outdated.

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