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Anti-Piracy Firm Offering ISPs Money For Outing File-Sharers 132

mytrip points out news that an anti-piracy firm called Nexicon has been offering financial incentives to ISPs in exchange for having the ISPs police their own networks for copyright infringement. Nexicon would offer their services (for a fee) to help the ISPs pinpoint users who are illegally sharing files, and then give the users an option to "settle" through their "Get Amnesty" website. The revenue generated by such settlements would then be shared with the ISPs. Jerry Scroggin, owner of a smaller ISP in Louisiana, is still skeptical, saying, "I would still wind up losing customers. I would also have to pay Nexicon for this ... I have to survive in this economy but I don't have the big marketing dollars that bigger ISPs have. I have to fund 401(K)s and find ways not to lay off people. Giving free rein to the RIAA is not part of my business model."
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Anti-Piracy Firm Offering ISPs Money For Outing File-Sharers

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  • Huh, madness (Score:5, Interesting)

    by someone1234 ( 830754 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:24AM (#26497007)

    A small ISP could fake the logs and sell out some of their customers.

  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:26AM (#26497039)
    pay us money, and we MIGHT give you a cut of any profits we make. fuck that, sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.
  • Interestingly... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by genw3st ( 1373507 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:26AM (#26497043) Journal
    I wonder how many companies will actually make this intelligent deduction; that it might end up costing them more in the end than actual financial gain. Reminds me of modern-day unions...
  • by stranger_to_himself ( 1132241 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:38AM (#26497115) Journal

    I'm betting NOT. Suing (or extorting, threatening to sue and selling "protection") your customers has never been an effective business model. You'd think they'd have learned that by now.

    True, but the average customer might never know or figure out that it was the ISP that sold them out.

  • by Spamalope ( 91802 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:40AM (#26497127)
    Why wouldn't a Time Warner or Comcast take them up on such an offer, especially in areas where they are the only broadband provider? Ad a clause to the agreement barring disclosure, and they'll get free money. Anyone think cable companies would avoid this for ethical reasons??
  • by petes_PoV ( 912422 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:43AM (#26497145)
    So they wait until they find someone doing something illegal[1]. They offer to allow them to atone (financially, of course) for their "crimes". They then share the proceeds with the very ISP which allowed them to perform these acts in the first place.

    Apart from the highly dubious moral position, this sounds like either a protection racket or entrapment, or both.

    [1] although it won't ever get to court - they'll hope people will just roll over and pay up. So the legality of this "sting" won't ever be tested.

  • dns info for nexicon (Score:2, Interesting)

    by awpoopy ( 1054584 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @01:03PM (#26497827) Homepage Journal
    Processing nexiconinc.com (74.220.215.80)

    nexiconinc.com. is in Abuse.net Contacts as 0.0.0.1

        * "postmaster@nexiconinc.com"

    74.220.215.80 is host280.hostmonster.com.

    host280.hostmonster.com. is in Abuse.net Contacts as 0.0.0.2

        * "postmaster@hostmonster.com"
        * "abuse@hostmonster.com"

    74.220.215.80 is in Blars Block List as 208.43.232.224

        * Hosts spamers web sites
        * Hosts spammers email dropboxes
        * breakin attempts
        * Knowingly supports spammers
        * attepted mail relay
        * attepted formmail exploit
        * carreer spammer support
        * provides connection to rogue isp

    74.220.215.80 is in lagengymnastik as 127.0.0.2

        * "Please refer to http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting/msg/9fc547194276c164"

    74.220.215.80 is in they.com spambait as 209.198.142.156

    74.220.215.80 in ASN11798 74.220.192.0/19

    IPQuery: 74.220.215.80 Server: whois.arin.net

    OrgName:    Bluehost Inc.
    OrgID:      BLUEH-2
    Address:    1215 N. Research Way Q-3500
    City:       Orem
    StateProv:  UT
    PostalCode: 84097
    Country:    US

    NetRange:   74.220.192.0 - 74.220.223.255
    CIDR:       74.220.192.0/19
    OriginAS:   AS11798
    NetName:    BLUEHOST-NETWORK-2
    NetHandle:  NET-74-220-192-0-1
    Parent:     NET-74-0-0-0-0
    NetType:    Direct Allocation
    NameServer: NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
    NameServer: NS2.BLUEHOST.COM
    Comment:
    RegDate:    2007-01-09
    Updated:    2007-11-05

    I'm sure they have more ip addresses "laying around", however as a starting point:
    deny from 74.220.192.0/19
    in at least everyone's .htaccess file could be nice.

  • by cdrguru ( 88047 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @01:41PM (#26498193) Homepage

    The ISP also has a duty under the DMCA Safe Harbor provisions to assist in copyright enforcement. Their responsibility to their customers not to reveal their illegal activities is not so clearly documented.

    This pretty much means that a case can be made that if the ISP doesn't assist in enforcement, perhaps even to this level, that they can lose their Safe Harbor provision and suddenly become a party to every enforcement action against their customers.

    So I think you have it a little backwards. Now maybe the ISP can argue that their requirements for Safe Harbor do not include this plan. Sure, but this is going to be argued at a federal court level and cost millions of dollars to do so. Are their any ISPs that want to get into this that deep?

  • by TheStonepedo ( 885845 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @01:55PM (#26498327) Homepage Journal

    The RIAA loses little to people who use Limewire to download a 128kbps mp3 of a single coyrighted song weeks after its release date. It is possible to utilize private bittorrent trackers to download music in a format that sounds as good the real CD. It would make little sense for the RIAA to target hundreds or thousands of people who downloads a few random, low-quality audio files rather than seeking the few people who download hundreds of perfect-quality albums.
    Those who pose a real threat to the RIAA already keep their tinfoil hats within arm's reach; many bittorrent users use SSL for browsing private trackers and use protocol encryption for bittorrent transfers.
    It would ruin the RIAA's attack model if the average customer was sold out and made aware of the copyright pyramid scheme onto which the music industry clings.

  • by cjb658 ( 1235986 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @04:29PM (#26499697) Journal

    All the encryption in the world won't stop you from getting a DMCA notice. In America, you can sue anyone for any reason. All they need to sue you is an IP address. So if they join a tracker and see your IP address, they'll send your ISP a note.

    Most people find it easier to just pay their extortion fee than go to court.

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