Indian GPS Cartographers Charged As Terrorists 269
chrb writes "Following on from the discussion about Apple disabling GPS in Egyptian iPhones, we have a new case of the conflict between the traditional secrecy of government, and the widening availability of cheap, accurate GPS devices around the world. On 5th December, two software engineers employed by Biond Software in India were arrested for mapping highways using vehicle based GPS devices. Further evidence against the pair emerged when it was found that a laptop they had been using in the car contained some photos of the local airforce base. The company claims they had been commissioned by Nokia Navigator to create maps of local roads and terrain. Following an investigation by the Anti Terrorist Squad of Gujarat the cartographers have now been charged with violating the Official
Secrets Act and will remain in custody."
Re:Well (Score:4, Informative)
Oops. I actually read the first linked article and jumped the gun (at that point they'd been held 3 days and not charged). TFS clearly indicates that they're facing charges for photographing the Air Force base.
Of course, you can be detained for doing that in the US too. Not sure what exactly they charge you with.
Re:Charged As Terrorists? (Score:2, Informative)
GPS information is an official secret?
No, but certain locations, aircraft configurations, and equipment ARE secret and videos/pictures of them when supposedly out collecting GPS info is grounds for interrogation and subsequent charges under the Official Secrets Act.
Wait a sec... (Score:4, Informative)
So very basically, this seems akin so someone driving in a car, decked out with electronics, around say, a nuclear power plant in the U.S. Not saying the charges are or aren't appropriate and there's no information as to how close to said refinery they actually were, but given the area through which they were traveling they should have expected some attention.
Wikipedia Article [wikipedia.org]
Official Secrets Act != Terrorism Charge (Score:4, Informative)
I'm an Indian. Buildings and installations covered under official secrets act have a clear sign that says "photography is prohibited and you can be charged under the act for violation".
So if they did photograph the air force base then they basically broke the law and have been charged. What's the problem?
Try taking photos of a secret Army, Air Force installation in US and see what happens ... guarantee the same result.
There is nothing to see here ... move on.
Re:Official Secrets Act != Terrorism Charge (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, no, you can legally photograph nearly everything you can see from public land in the US. There are a few places where they're known to lack a sense of humor about it, but almost everything is fair game. (That said, there are a few rare restrictions on such things.)
Now understanding that this is the law in your country, and it is (apparently) clearly posted, well... yeah, they broke the law and got caught. As usual, /. distorts the story.
Re:Official Secrets Act != Terrorism Charge (Score:5, Informative)
Not so rare any more. Pretty much all the tunnels & bridges in NYC are "no photo" zones. Take a look at this entertaining gallery for examples [nowis.com].
Re:Official Secrets Act != Terrorism Charge (Score:3, Informative)
Go to ANY military airfield in the USA; there are signs specifying two things: It is a US Govermnent property site, so you must abide by all rules, regulations, and laws. Failure results in prosecution. Photogrophy is prohibited. To make a photograph is a Federal offense.
Agreed. However, you have to reread the QuasiEvil's post where he said (emphasis mine):
you can legally photograph nearly everything you can see from public land in the US.
Which means if you are standing on public land which is not part of the US Government property site, you can take pictures of the US Government property site even though photography while on the site is prohibited.
That said, I would imagine that most sites that have said regulations are not particularly close to public land and/or have some sort of obstruction to keep people from taking photographs.
Re:Official Secrets Act != Terrorism Charge (Score:5, Informative)
A few years ago I took a tourist photo of the Pentagon in D.C. from just outside the metro stop, which is pretty far away from the building. A security officer came and asked me to delete the photo from my camera. I explained that it wasn't a digital camera, but rather a disposable film camera. He said that officially he should make me throw it away, but instead allowed me to go on condition that I didn't take any more photos.
You're right that the law allows people to take tourist photos. But where "security" is concerned, it apparently doesn't matter what the law says.
-Gonz
Indian Penal Code (Score:5, Informative)
Back on topic, as an Indian, I can tell you that it's nowhere clear what you can take pictures of and what you can not. In India, its very easy to break laws not knowing what is legal and what isn't, and you would not know until you are caught - either by a cheap street cop looking for some quick money or by completely incompetent higher ups who have no idea about technology or reality, or simply, common sense.
FUD alert (Score:2, Informative)
Actually they had photographs of military base on their laptop, areas which had prominently displayed "Photography prohibited"
What really happened (Score:1, Informative)
I am the director of the company and want to put the entire episode in the proper context.
Biond Software Technologies is the leading GPS survey company in India and has a staff of more than 350 people.
Few salient points about the entire episode.
1.Prior to starting the Survey in Gujarat, Biond had already submitted a letter to the Gujarat State Police, stating that they will be carrying out a survey of Road attributes and Points of interest for Nokia subsidiary Navteq.
2.All the work is being exclusively done for Nokia subsidiary Navteq.
3.All the map data created by the survey is submitted to the Ministry of Defense for approval. After their approval for publication, the Maps are given to Nokia for their cellphone Navigation application. All correspondence with the ministry of defense regarding approval is submitted to Gujarat police. Also, approval from ministry of defense regarding previously published maps is submitted to Gujarat Police. In short, all the data is verified by Ministry of Defense before publication.
4.We have worked on GIS-GPS projects of different police departments across India, like Mumbai Police, Bangalore Police and Rajasthan Police. All the relevant information has also been submitted to Gujarat Police.
5.Gujarat police has not taken objection to any of the survey parts.
6.Survey team had carried with them a digital camera in their personal capacity and was used to capture photographs of themselves, places visited etc., like any other tourist would. Please note that this was not a part of their work and was done as a hobby / tourist activity. Amongst all the photos and video clips taken, there were a few that the Gujarat police found objectionable in light of the atmosphere prevailing after the Mumbai Terrorist Attacks.
Please note that only objectional video was they had tried to capture was the video of plane takeoff at Jamnagar airport from the outside of the boundary wall. They had only attempted it and no plane seems to appear in the video clip. Other than this they didnot find anything objectional.
7.In the aftermath of the Mumbai episode, the people and Police are extremely vigilant and as a part of the vigilance, this survey team was detained and their activities investigated. The bonadfides have been investigated and found clear.
I hope this puts the unfortunate incidents in a proper context.
Re:Official Secrets Act != Terrorism Charge (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, no, you can legally photograph nearly everything you can see from public land in the US. There are a few places where they're known to lack a sense of humor about it, but almost everything is fair game. (That said, there are a few rare restrictions on such things.)
Actually, no you can't. You can be charged with a federal crime for photographing certain US defense installations or equipment; no matter where you take the pictures of for what reason. In that respect US law is no different than Indian.