After Columbine, Eric Holder Advocated Internet "Restrictions" 430
ErikTheRed writes "In an audio clip discovered by NewsBusters, then-Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder advocated federal censorship of the Internet. This was in the aftermath of the Columbine High School shootings. From the clip: 'The court has really struck down every government effort to try to regulate it. We tried with regard to pornography. It is gonna be a difficult thing, but it seems to me that if we can come up with reasonable restrictions, reasonable regulations in how people interact on the Internet, that is something that the Supreme Court and the courts ought to favorably look at.'" Holder is reported to be Barack Obama's choice for Attorney General of the United States.
I'm not too concerned yet (Score:3, Informative)
Who Expected Anything Different? And Why? (Score:5, Informative)
Doubtless the point will be made that NewsBusters is a strongly partisan site, and this is true. Fortunately, though, they aren't asking anyone to take their word for it, instead posting a recording of Holder himself.
While the Bush administration has certainly been no friend of free speech, I am not sure why anyone thinks that Democratic politicians and administrations have been better. For example, when Janet Reno was AG under Clinton, she warned the TV networks to clean up their shows, or the government would do it for them. Influential voices on the left call (unsuccessfully for the most part, it must be recognized) for censorship of various things on various grounds.
The point here is not that one party is great and the other is terrible, but that neither major party is committed in principle to individual freedom, including freedom of expression. Believing otherwise is a dangerous but widespread error.
According to Volokh, this is a molehill, not a mou (Score:5, Informative)
Libertarian legal scholar Eugene Volokh has posted a discussion [volokh.com] of this in which he concludes that what Holder advocated was actually a very narrow restriction on helping people build bombs.
Re:Hahah . . . no more Washington insiders, huh? (Score:3, Informative)
biden... ...daschle... ...clinton... ...holder... can someone fill in the gaps? i am too lazy.
You forgot Rahm Emanuel. These appointments are laughable and downright hypocritical coming from someone who railed against Washington during his entire campaign.
Re:What? (Score:4, Informative)
Those aren't even censorship.
You're not being forbidden from saying anything, you're simply being held responsible for your actions.
Re:Would that really be his role? (Score:5, Informative)
The AG's office also creates legislation to be presented to the congress, that's where the patriot act and many other bills came from, they check over the president's purposed legislation for legalities like constitutionality and they give validation to policies.
The AG isn't some office drone who does only what he is told to do. He is like the head of the legal department at a large company and plays a large role in steering their actions.
Re:Reasonable restrictions? (Score:5, Informative)
(2) Prohibition. - It shall be unlawful for any person -
(A) to teach or demonstrate the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute by any means information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, with the intent that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence; or
(B) to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.
Re:This is sickening (Score:5, Informative)
Hey retard, the brownshirts were leftist. NAZI -> National Socialist
And North Korea is a democracy, says so right in their name.
More lies brought to you by people who label anything they don't like as "leftist".
Re:Of course (Score:5, Informative)
Obama and Biden say that they are listening, so tell them how you feel about curtailing our rights and freedoms in the name of protecting the country.
OUT OF CONTEXT (Score:1, Informative)
Funny you mention context...
The linked audio clip is very clearly Holder answering a question -- and the question has been edited out. The context is much narrower than it's been edited to make you believe. Holder is answering a question about distributing instructions for making a bomb. And he is probably referring specifically to a bill that was then under consideration -- a bill (now a law) that makes it illegal to teach someone how to make a bomb when you know they are going to use it for criminal purposes [volokh.com]. Maybe still problematic in some eyes -- but much, much narrower than the "omg he's going to outlaw teh internets" interpretation it's been edited down to give.
Re:Of course (Score:4, Informative)
Speaking of, from their transition site [change.gov]:
Mostly seems reasonable to me, although the third is a little worryingly vague on the 'increased enforcement resources' and 'collaboration between law enforcement and the private sector' (is this code for wiretapping?). I guess we'll just have to see how it goes.
Re:oblig (Score:3, Informative)
With a lengthy court case [wikipedia.org], obviously.
Re:It's no more appropriate than the local library (Score:3, Informative)
...why the largest slaughters of humans have been in the names of religious deities.
Not according to this [erols.com].
Re:Permits, and racetracks. (Score:3, Informative)