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Canadian NDP Leader Praises P2P Communities 169

Posted by Soulskill
from the need-something-to-do-between-hockey-games dept.
newtley writes "The New Democrats' Jack Layton has become the first leader of a major Canadian political party to acknowledge the importance of the Internet during a federal election. He's using YouTube to carry his message specifically to the online community, launching it on P2Pnet. 'We don't want to see hidden fees and gouging and service slow-downs all in the interests of promoting the objectives of certain large corporations,' Layton says." Other party members have also spoken out against increased internet regulation. We've been following the Canadian net neutrality debate for quite some time.
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Canadian NDP Leader Praises P2P Communities

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  • New Democrats? (Score:3, Informative)

    by DirtySouthAfrican (984664) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @09:52AM (#25345423) Homepage
    New Democratic Party, isn't it? We're not American, or did I not get the memo?
  • Re:Wrong Tag (Score:2, Informative)

    by canuck57 (662392) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @10:40AM (#25345653)

    It is a trap and not a joke. The NDP have never left less government debt in their terms of office. Provinces like Saskatchewan have 11 billion dollars in debt. While that many not sound like much, they have less than 1 million people to support it. They love credit spending like no other.

    Most experienced Canadians know NDP as socialists. Nationalization is a key plug of theirs.

    Laytoon would say anything to get elected be he mean it or not. World readers need to know it is routine that Canadian candidates lie often.

  • Regulation (Score:2, Informative)

    by Narishma (822073) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @10:48AM (#25345695)
    But isn't increased Internet regulation necessary to prevent big companies to do whatever they want at the expense of regular users?
  • Re:Wrong Tag (Score:5, Informative)

    by Erioll (229536) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @10:50AM (#25345711)

    Except of course for the Alberta Progressive Conservative party, which reduced taxes, eliminated the deficit AND the provincial debt (it is now completely gone).

    What the USA calls "right-wing" may not act like it at all, but in Canada generally fiscal conservatism means such, because we have an actual example of such that happened, not just theory like down south.

  • Re:Wrong Tag (Score:2, Informative)

    by PIBM (588930) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @11:23AM (#25345869) Homepage

    They might have gotten rid of the monetary debt, but by how much did they damage their environment ? What would have happened to the debt if they would not have had Harper get rid of kyoto ?

    Exploiting their petroleum sand like this, with almost no regulations, got them tons of money. Any other responsible governement should not have allowed that to go through.

  • Re:Wrong Tag (Score:4, Informative)

    by IgnoramusMaximus (692000) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @11:26AM (#25345877)

    Oh yea, the Alberta Conservatives were, in their great, millions of years spanning foresight, entirely responsible for putting all that oil in all that sand in Alberta and then for driving global oil prices through the roof only so that they can rake in billions in royalties ... no?

    But then again this is, and has always been, on par for the so-called "Conservatives" world-wide: take with great fanfare all credit for things you had absolutely nothing to do with, while at the same time trying to project blame for everything you've fucked up onto others.

  • Re:Brain? (Score:2, Informative)

    by bryxal (933863) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @11:31AM (#25345897) Homepage
    Actually... As much as I agree with his tech views. Most of his plans are completely idealistic and borderline delusional. The leader is also a scummy politician. After a while you will see that he is an opportunist that only cares about what the media will give out and not the actual issues and doesn't take the time to try to explain a in depth analysis and how to actually solve it. Instead he spews populist jib jab on most topics. The only reason he is getting this right is because of Charlie Angus one of the Best supporters of Net Neutrality and Copyright Reform that is part of his party. So to recap: Charlie Angus = Good Jack Layton (leader) = Bad
  • Re:Bravo (Score:2, Informative)

    by thestreetmeat (1055390) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @11:37AM (#25345947)
    People seem to have very distorted memories when it comes to Rae's government in the early 90s. The NDP took over just as the economy was heading into the worst recession since the great depression. His government did what pretty much every other government does in a recession - increase spending to break the cycle. I seriously doubt the Liberals would have done anything different. If Rae did anything wrong, it was to neglect his main support on the left with his wage cuts and mandatory unpaid vacation measures. Measures aimed at reducing the deficit.

    Of course, once the voters put Mike Harris in power, he simply had 16,000 public servants laid off. 6 of one, half-dozen of the other.
  • Re:Jack Layton (Score:4, Informative)

    by Kinetix303 (471831) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @11:37AM (#25345951) Homepage

    Bollocks. He lived in a mixed income co-operative housing unit that uses the higher rent charged to high-income earners to subsidize the costs of the lower-income units. It was not government subsidized housing. In fact, the housing unit would have failed financially if there were no higher income earners living there. You clearly have no understanding of how mixed incoming cooperative housing actually works, or you're just trying to toss an already much-discredited 15 year old smear with no basis in reality.

  • Re:Wrong Tag (Score:3, Informative)

    by Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @12:45PM (#25346337)
    If the first was a lie then you could have easily disproven it by giving an example of an NDP government that left office with less government debt than when they took office. As to the second I agree that government ownership is frequently a plank of the NDP platform - they've downplayed it for a long time now because they realize how unpopular it was.
  • Re:Brain? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Kinetix303 (471831) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @04:42PM (#25348049) Homepage

    Again with the co-op smear. The way a housing co-op works is high income residents pay much higher rent so that low income residents don't have to pay as much. That way, it doesn't have to be subsidized by government at all. Either you don't understand how a housing co-op works or don't care. This smear was discredited more than a decade ago. When raised now it just illustrates the ignorance of the person who is repeating it.

  • Re:Wrong Tag (Score:4, Informative)

    by canuck57 (662392) on Sunday October 12, 2008 @08:47PM (#25349937)

    Except of course for the Alberta Progressive Conservative party, which reduced taxes, eliminated the deficit AND the provincial debt (it is now completely gone).

    All Alberta did was elect two successive by the people representatives as our leaders. Yes, I live in Alberta. Neither Klein nor successor Stelmach are professional politicians, both came from the working class from their successful stints in real careers. That is, they are not in-the-pocket of vested interests behind the scenes. When Klein got in, he spent the first 6 months on a hack and burn of government waste and excess. Civil service people still scream at this government overhaul event as the provincial debt was increasing.

    Alberta voters tend to be smarter and avoided the liberal left promise of stars, spending and statist government at our, taxpayers expense. People here know when a candidate promises something they intuitively think, how is it going to be paid for?

    While some say it is oil, they are over stating the facts. Klein did this before oil was lucrative and only $20/barrel and the industry was barely hanging on. And in lucrative times, the government piggy banked the increased revenue money which reduces taxes in a sound sustainable way.

    It does not take long to turn around a out of control government, just a decent, honest, practical politician with lots of power that isn't doing the job for self ego. Even on Klein's last days, he would sit down with normal people and say hello.

    What the USA calls "right-wing" may not act like it at all, but in Canada generally fiscal conservatism means such, because we have an actual example of such that happened, not just theory like down south.

    We will see in the next few weeks. Canada's currency took a wild dip as the government is ailing out the banks too. Fiat currency management is on both sides of the border, they are not overlooking the Bank of Canada's propensity to create fiat money.

  • Re:Bravo (Score:3, Informative)

    by TheSpoom (715771) * <slashdot@NOSpAM.uberm00.net> on Sunday October 12, 2008 @11:16PM (#25351063) Homepage Journal

    And let's not talk about what Mike Harris actually did to this province. My brain has still blocked that particular memory to protect itself.

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