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Lessig's "In Defense of Piracy" 218

chromakey writes "The Wall Street Journal is running an essay from Lawrence Lessig about the fair use of copyrighted material on the Internet. He makes the case that companies who go to extreme lengths to squash minor videos, such as Universal, are stifling creativity in the modern era. Lessig makes specific reference to a YouTube video that was hit by a DMCA takedown notice, in which a 13-month-old child is dancing to a nearly inaudible soundtrack of Prince's 'Let's Go Crazy.' Lawrence Lessig is a board member for the Electronic Frontier Foundation."
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Lessig's "In Defense of Piracy"

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @01:09PM (#25340269)
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  • People in Rebellion (Score:4, Interesting)

    by b4upoo ( 166390 ) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @01:21PM (#25340363)

    It has come to the point in America that many people are in some form of rebellion. Copyright issues are but a small edge of the issues that surround us. But as things now stand in the social justice arena piracy of intellectual property is not something I'm willing to get all excited about.Perhaps when our lazy government gets off of its backside and does something about the exploitation of our citizens by outrageous fuel and power prices and mortgages designed by Satan then i'll worry about whether somebody hummed a tune he heard on the radio without permission of a record company.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11, 2008 @01:26PM (#25340411)
    Making money off other people's work is fine. It happens all the time. If someone in a factory helps build a car, the salesman at your local car dealership is making money off that factory-worker's work. That's fine, as long as everyone along the line who makes money on that work is adding some value in some way (and likewise, everyone who is adding value to the product is making money). If Prince writes a song, sells it and makes money, that's great. If someone else takes part of that song, incorporates that into a new work and makes money off that new work, that's great too. The only question is how much, if any, of the profit from the second work should go back to Prince.
  • by Mateo_LeFou ( 859634 ) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @01:56PM (#25340599) Homepage

    "Copyright is constitutional only if it promotes the progress of science and useful arts."

    Though I agree with you on this matter, SCOTUS does not -- and (*sigh) SCOTUS is the final arbiter of what is constitutional.

    In the holdings of Eldred versus Ashcroft, it was made clear that copyright is presumed consitutional if it is for a non-infinite amount of time and preserves the distinction between idea and expression.

    The idiotic copyright laws that now exist and will soon exist are subject to challenges, just not *constitutional ones.

  • by ardle ( 523599 ) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @02:27PM (#25340797)
    Actually, I think you've hit the nail on the head here: they shouldn't charge for any of these things! If a customer wants one of these things, they should be provided by a third party (publisher), with the publisher paying the producer their "cut" of the sale. If the producer is the publisher (as is often the case for "big" media), then let them bill themselves (it's SOX-friendly ;-)
    By separating production and publishing, we can get out of the situation whereby "back catalogues" can be made arbitrarily unavailable (producers would need to have their entire catalogue available in order to maximise profit in this model). Also, we would avoid the whole "media-shifting" mystery: company x supplies content y on media z - so if customer wants a copy on media w, company v (on inspection of media w for integrity or maybe on checking customer's license on company x's database) should be able to supply a copy on media w at cost (or close).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11, 2008 @03:39PM (#25341191)

    . . . because the benefit of having it has not been measured.

    Who is to say if a song or film is really worth £8 to view? Does that bring more than £8 worth of benefit to the listener - if not then that's a rip off.

    Now you can decide to just not go but since all cinemas charge the same, there is an all or nothing choice: either see film X or see nothing.

    Piracy adds another option and puts pressure on media companies to provide more value.

    Since there is no other way to pressure Media companies, I think it's probably having an excellent effect.

    If someone (e.g. Apple with iTunes) can find a way to provide better value it will make piracy less attractive.

  • by naily ( 672109 ) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @04:03PM (#25341331) Homepage
    The trouble is that these media companies have paid lots of money for the 'rights' to these media, for which they expect a return. The other trouble is that for every 'true' artist, like Neil Young, there will always be 100 artists who want all the riches for their 20 mins of inspiration. To my mind, the simplest approach is that all rights should be legally bound (non-transferable) to the creator. So artists *cannot* sell their souls, even if they wanted to. In this modern age, where media is cheap and distribution is easy (and traceable), there is no reason why merit & reward cannot remain with the originator. This way the big studios are reduced to their real role: marketing and PR. Which artists may choose to hire, if they have the resources. Exposure, in its fullest, most transparent sense.
  • by serutan ( 259622 ) <snoopdoug@NoSPAm.geekazon.com> on Saturday October 11, 2008 @04:42PM (#25341505) Homepage

    One problem is that the copyright industry has been very successful at equating copyright and property in the public mind. Many people now believe that the right to control the use of everything we create is an inherent human right that has existed since the dawn of time, and that copyright laws merely codified this right. In their view copyright infringement is the moral equivalent of snatching a little old lady's purse. It's hard to have a reasonable discussion of Fair Use when the copyright industry gets to cast itself as the little old lady.

  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) * on Saturday October 11, 2008 @04:53PM (#25341559)
    Once something is in the public domain it cannot be taken back.

    That isn't entirely true ... Congress, in effect, retroactively removed many works from the public domain when it extended copyright. We had a deal with those bastards: all copyrighted works are a loan from the public domain (T. Jefferson), and in exchange for a limited monopoly that domain, our domain, was to be enriched. The entertainment companies (who, themselves, have often acquired their copyrights through dubious means) love to complain about how we're "stealing" their oh-so-precious material, but the reality is that much, much more was outright stolen from us by Congress at the behest of those self-same corporate leeches.
  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) * on Saturday October 11, 2008 @07:20PM (#25342317)
    Here's a relevant quote from Heinlein's Starship Troopers. This story takes place in the far future (I don't much care for the rather prophetic bit about the "tragic fallacy which brought on the decadence and collapse of the democracies of the twentieth century", seeing as I live in one) and Mr Dubois gives a very Heinlein-esque definition of value:

    He had been droning along about "value," comparing the Marxist theory with the orthodox "use" theory. Mr. Dubois had said, "Of course, the Marxian definition of value is ridiculous. All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero. By corollary, unskillful work can easily subtract value; an untalented cook can turn wholesome dough and fresh green apples, valuable already, into an inedible mess, value zero. Conversely, a great chef can fashion of those same materials a confection of greater value than a commonplace apple tart, with no more effort than an ordinary cook uses to prepare an ordinary sweet.

    "These kitchen illustrations demolish the Marxian theory of value -- the fallacy from which the entire magnificent fraud of communism derives -- and to illustrate the truth of the common-sense definition as measured in terms of use."

    Dubois had waved his stump at us. "Nevertheless -- wake up, back there! -- nevertheless the disheveled old mystic of Das Kapital, turgid, tortured, confused, and neurotic, unscientific, illogical, this pompous fraud Karl Marx, nevertheless had a glimmering of a very important truth. If he had possessed an analytical mind, he might have formulated the first adequate definition of value . . . and this planet might have been saved endless grief.

    " 'Value' has no meaning other than in relation to living beings. The value of a thing is always relative to a particular person, is completely personal and different in quantity for each living human -- 'market value' is a fiction, merely a rough guess at the average of personal values, all of which must be quantitatively different or trade would be impossible."

    "This very personal relationship, 'value,' has two factors for a human being: first, what he can do with a thing, its use to him . . . and second, what he must do to get it, its cost to him. There is an old song which asserts that 'the best things in life are free.' Not true! Utterly false! This was the tragic fallacy which brought on the decadence and collapse of the democracies of the twentieth century; those noble experiments failed because the people had been led to believe that they could simply vote for whatever they wanted . . . and get it, without toil, without sweat, without tears.

    "Nothing of value is free. Even the breath of life is purchased at birth only through gasping effort and pain."
  • Alright, this election is a lost cause but a core item in the new Republican Party that must emerge is a more open stance on copyrights. Democrats and liberals are in bed with copyrights because, well, the copyright is the life blood of the liberal - books, movies, etc, all require copyrights to succeed, and Republicans should be more willing to go after this jugular by removing the artificial laws that ensnare the very masses the Democrats claim to love.

    If Democrats can do windfall profits taxes and penalty taxes on Republican economic interests ranging from petroleum to corn, then it only makes sense to shorten copyright to ten years and wave all civil penalties for infringement against anyone who, to borrow a page from Obama, makes under $250,000 a year.

    If, after all, America's middle class is so strapped, then, why should we be forcing them to pay for something that they are perfectly capable of copying for free? If Madonna wants to be a Democrat, she can die by their economics.

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