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UK Government Says More Spying Needed 297

Posted by timothy
from the need-to-make-up-for-the-losses dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Our wonderful government here in the UK has decided we're not being surveilled enough, and agreed to spend £12 billion on a programme to monitor every Briton's phone calls, e-mails, and internet usage. According to various sources, upwards of £1 billion has already been spent on the uber-database. Rationale? Terrorism, of course (no prizes for guessing). Needless to say, not everyone is as happy as Larry over this: Michael Parker pointed out how us Brits are being 'stalked.' I'm just looking forward to when the data gets lost."
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UK Government Says More Spying Needed

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  • re (Score:5, Informative)

    by JohnVanVliet (945577) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @12:44AM (#25336911) Homepage
    well at least it is public here in the US the govt. still says that the NSA is not spying at the "NSA controlled a secret internet spying room in an AT&T facility on Folsom Street in San Francisco" quote from http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/rights-group-su.html [wired.com] see: http://news.cnet.com/AT38T-sued-over-NSA-spy-program/2100-1028_3-6033501.html [cnet.com]
  • by Creepy Crawler (680178) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @02:01AM (#25337263)

    Go look up near infrared photography. It's mainly used as bikini-see through and such voyeurism.

    Im sure it works on most burkas.

  • by 91degrees (207121) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @03:17AM (#25337581) Journal
    Can't meet your challenge. I do remember that one of the last terror attack victims - John Tulloch - said "not in my name, Tony", when The Sun decided to use his image to support the governments draconian legislation.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11, 2008 @03:33AM (#25337635)

    Apologies for a serious reply to a joking post, but having worked temporarily in a government office and now working for a company which refuses to do government work full stop, this isn't how it works either.

    The government appears to be completely incompetent managing these contracts. They order one thing, then completely change their mind. They demand the impossible. They insist how things should work instead of focusing on what it should accomplish. Both sides end up pissed off and out of pocket.

    We're currently working on a contract for the Olympics. The olympics delivery authority is currently holding bidding for a job, and has spent months choosing a provider, but they've demanded that once they choose a provider, the system is ready in two weeks. That schedule is not possible. As a result, we've already done the job, and the other bidders must have either done the same or are planning to just not meet the contractual dates.

    As I mentioned, we don't work with the government. We've done the job as a subcontractor to one of the bidders, and we've been paid whoever wins the job. Pricing is never straightforward, but one way or another, the government will in the end have paid for half a dozen implementations of their system, all but one of which will be thrown in the trash. The bidding companies will just add their lost costs onto another job they win. This is really where the cost overruns on every single job go.

  • Anonymous networks (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11, 2008 @03:35AM (#25337641)
    And this is why we need Tor, i2p [i2p2.de] and Freenet [freenetproject.org].
    Anonymity online, and not being tracked by people with ridiculous reasons, it's what they provide and what people need (especially now that China, the UK, the US and I thought Sweden as well, are tracking their own citizens).
  • by yabastaaa (877550) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @05:08AM (#25338017)

    Fear, what can't it do?

    Not much, it seems :(

    We've had a lot of rights removed over the past decade or so, rights we've had since the magna carta, but which have been discarded without debate or thought.

    As an example:

    • The government can ban any groups it labels ‘terrorist’ (Terrorism Act 2000)
    • The government can monitor any and all private communication (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000)
    • Armed forces can be deployed on UK soil in peacetime (Civil Contingencies Act 2004)
    • Property and assets can be seized without warning or compensation (Civil Contingencies Act 2004)
    • Spontaneous protest is now illegal around Parliament (Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005)
    • Without trial, any British citizen can be tagged, put under house arrest and banned from using the telephone or internet (Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005)
    • Any citizen can be imprisoned without charge for 28 days (42 days has passed the house of commons) (Terrorism Act 2006)
    • The executive can change any current legislation without consulting Parliament, with very few exceptions (Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006)
    • Arbitrary punishments with no legal precedents can be issued with little legal recourse, based on hearsay evidence ( Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003)
    • British citizens can be extradicted to the United States with no evidence presented (Extradition Act 2003)
    • Compulsory identification for all British citizens, with an unlimited amount of details stored in a central database, which the private sector will have access to (Identity Cards Act 2006)
    • Upon arrest the police have claim to your DNA, even if you are released without charge (Criminal Justice Act 2003)

    Taken from the site protests.org.uk [protests.org.uk]

  • by Gnavpot (708731) on Saturday October 11, 2008 @07:02AM (#25338441)

    In 2005 there were 271,000 road deaths in Great Britain [statistics.gov.uk].

    Are frogs and deers counted into that number?

    Your link says 3201 road deaths.

    (Your point is still valid though.)

  • Re:Next step (Score:3, Informative)

    by Wizard Drongo (712526) <wizard_drongo@ya ... RISuk minus city> on Saturday October 11, 2008 @07:45AM (#25338601)

    You mean like this:
    http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/10/02/cctv-cameras-installed-at-school-toilet-blocks-64375-21944943/ [liverpooldailypost.co.uk]

    Or this:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/506140.stm [bbc.co.uk]

    O perhaps you meant this:

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/235/235518_school_puts_cctv_in_toilets_to_stop_bullies.html [manchester...news.co.uk]

    Or maybe you wanted a more technological look rather than local papers:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/19/school_cctv/ [theregister.co.uk]

    We already live in a police state. That much is certain, and the State's biggest accomplishment is not the camera on every street, in every office, every school, on every motorway. It's not the limitless wiretapping, the ability to have people "disappear" or to deploy troops in peacetime if the public decide it's time for a change.

    No. The British Government's major achievement since 1997 has been that the majority of people do not realise we now live in a Police State.
    Worse yet, the Government show no signs of slowing in their program; if anything they're accelerating it. Right now, they could put us under curfews and restrictions that make Nazi Germany seem "free", and they would have broken no laws However, the people would stand-up at that point.

    No, the Government will act only when they have to; and when that fist is brought down upon the objectors and decriers, when people start disappearing into black-bags, never to be heard of again for "sedition" or "terrorism", it will be too late to stop them.
    I am afraid of my Government and I am not the only one.

    People shouldn't fear their Government. The Government should fear the People.

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