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Privacy Policies Are Great — For PhDs 161

An anonymous reader writes "Major Internet companies say that they inform their customers about privacy issues through specially written policies. What they don't say is that more often than not consumers would need college undergraduate educations or higher to easily wade through the verbiage. BNET looked at 20-some-odd privacy policies from Internet companies that received letters from the House about privacy practices. The easiest to read policy came from Yahoo, at a roughly 12th grade level. Most difficult? Insight Communications, which at a level of over 20 years of eduction officially puts it onto IRS Code territory."
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Privacy Policies Are Great — For PhDs

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  • Re:Dubious measure. (Score:5, Informative)

    by ledow ( 319597 ) on Thursday September 04, 2008 @09:31AM (#24872635) Homepage

    I did - with several PG texts. Alice shows the most "variability" of the ones I tried between the different scores. Are these same grading schemes designed to cope with pages of numbered T&C's? I don't know. The point is that the measures are useless unless used under certain conditions and no effort has been made to ensure those conditions were met.

    It's a poor application of what are basically statistical formulae on the lengths of certain words. What if the ISP's name was "BT" compared to "International Communications"? What if one ISP uses the "hereafter referred to as THE COMPANY" trick and one states the company name each time? It's a totally bogus measure. I could easily form any conclusion I felt like by playing with this "experiment" and it would be hard to argue against it without a basic knowledge of statistics. However, the article's approach is completely rubbish and anyone who looks at what those grades measure can see it's a waste of time.

    That said, most ISP T&C's don't follow the "plain English" doctrine more than "we use long words". They HAVE to use long words, the technical descriptions demand it most of the time. I could reword any of those T&C's to be MORE difficult to understand, despite being perfect English, and get a lower reading score.

    If you're gonna quote numbers about something, know what the numbers mean and how they apply.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 04, 2008 @09:39AM (#24872729)

    I've never understood the point of these "privacy policies".

    Regardless of their reading difficulty, they all end or contain:

    "We have the right to change everything that you are agreeing to without your consent."

    That is not a policy, that is especially not a privacy policy, its simply the individual giving up their privacy.

  • by (Score.5, Interestin ( 865513 ) on Thursday September 04, 2008 @10:20AM (#24873191)

    So we need some standardisation for EULAs, just like foods must list their ingredients in some standard way. Analyze the available EULAs, 90% of it boils probably down to the same few terms.

    This is why we have the EULAyzer [brothersoft.com].

  • by cashman73 ( 855518 ) on Thursday September 04, 2008 @11:05AM (#24874019) Journal
    I think Fark's privacy policy [fark.com] is one of the best. They have a short version: "We will not give your addresses to third parties. We hate spammers. Bunch of jackasses is what they are." And then, there's a longer, official version for the lawyers,... ;-)
  • by hedwards ( 940851 ) on Thursday September 04, 2008 @12:35PM (#24875517)

    I'm sure it varies state to state but in WA you can't hide important terms within the boilerplate or the rest of the contract and rely upon that in court. Jurors are generally instructed to disregard contract terms which they believe only one party knew about.

    Judges also instruct jurors to disregard any interpretations which render the clause to be absurd or ridiculous and to interpret the clauses in the way that the parties agreed to as much as possible.

    IANAL your mileage may very well vary.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 04, 2008 @01:01PM (#24875929)

    It's called a 'liberal arts education'. The point is to give you a broader view of how the world works and how your chosen carrier fits in to it.

    Yes, you are already supposed to know the basics of history, reading, etc. But the college has decided that some further study in certain areas would probably aid you as a person. That's the general idea.

    And yes, there are colleges in the USA which don't follow that theory. They are called 'trade colleges' and will have an intense course in just the knowledge required for that trade. Their graduates are generally looked down on as unlikely to be able to handle anything outside of their specific competency.

    The general idea is probably sound. The specifics, like much of the USA's education system, probably needs work.

  • by Jeremy Erwin ( 2054 ) on Thursday September 04, 2008 @02:08PM (#24877157) Journal

    No-Nonsense License Statement
    This software is protected by both United States copyright law and international copyright treaty provisions. Therefore, you must treat this software just like a book, except that you may copy it onto a computer to be used and you may make archival copies of the software for the sole purpose of backing-up our software and protecting your investment from loss.
    By saying "just like a book," Borland means, for example, that this software may be used by any number of people, and may be freely moved from one computer location to another, so long as there is no possibility of it being used at one location while it's being used at another or on a computer network by more than one user at one location. Just like a book can't be read by two different people in two different places at the same time, neither can the software be used by two different people in two different places at the same time.
    (Unless, of course, Borland's copyright has been violated or the use is on a computer network by up to the number of users authorized by additional Borland licenses as explained below.)
    LAN Pack Multiple-Use Network License
    If this is a LAN Pack package, it allows you to increase the number of authorized users of your copy of the software on a single computer network by up to the number of users specified in the LAN Pack package (per LAN Pack -- see LAN Pack serial number).
    Use on a Network
    A "computer network" is any electronically linked configuration in which two or more users have common access to software or data. If more than one user wishes to use the software on a computer network at the same time, then you may add authorized users either by (a) paying for a separate software package for each additional user you wish to add or (b) if a LAN Pack is available for this product, paying for the multiple-use license available in the LAN Pack. You may use any combination of regular software packages or LAN Packs to increase the number of authorized users on a computer network. (In no event may the total number of concurrent users on a network exceed one for each software package plus the number of authorized users installed from the LAN Pack(s) that you have purchased. Otherwise, you are not using the software "just like a book.") The multiple-use network license for the LAN Pack may only be used to increase the number of concurrent permitted users of the software logged onto the network, and not to download copies of the software for local workstation use without being logged onto the network. You must purchase an individual copy of the software for each workstation at which you wish to use the software without being logged onto the network.
    Further Explanation of Copyright Law Provisions and the Scope of This License Statement
    You may not download or transmit the software electronically (either by direct connection or telecommunication transmission) from one computer to another, except as may be specifically allowed in using the software on a computer network. You may transfer all of your rights to use the software to another person, provided that you transfer to that person (or destroy) all of the software, diskettes and documentation provided in this package, together with all copies, tangible or intangible, including copies in RAM or installed on a disk, as well as all back-up copies. Remember, once you transfer the software, it may only be used at the single location to which it is transferred and, of course, only in accordance with copyright law and international treaty provisions. Except as stated in this paragraph, you may not otherwise transfer, rent, lease, sub-license, time-share, or lend the software, diskettes, or documentation. Your use of the software is limited to acts that are essential steps in the use of the software on your computer or computer network as described in the documentation. You may not otherwise modify, alter, adapt, merge, decompile or reverse-engineer the software, and you may not remove or obscure Borland copyright or trademark notices.
    (From "Paradox for Windows")

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