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Full Body Scanners Installed In 10 US Airports 454

Lapzilla brings word that airports around the US are beginning to use a new type of body-scanning machine which records pictures of travelers underneath their clothing. The process takes roughly 30 seconds, and the person viewing the pictures is located in a separate room. We've discussed similar scanners in the past. From USAToday: "[Barry Steinhardt, head of the ACLU technology project] said passengers would be alarmed if they saw the image of their body. 'It all seems very clinical and non-threatening -- you go through this portal and don't have any idea what's at the other end,' he said. Passengers scanned in Baltimore said they did not know what the scanner did and were not told why they were directed into the booth. Magazine-sized signs are posted around the checkpoint explaining the scanners, but passengers said they did not notice them."
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Full Body Scanners Installed In 10 US Airports

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  • Re:Ewwww... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @12:09AM (#23690849) Homepage Journal
    So..what happens if you refuse to do the scanner....and refuse to show ID to avoid being on any lists, but, are perfectly willing for a physical search?
  • by corsec67 ( 627446 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @12:14AM (#23690875) Homepage Journal

    Fake elections, illegal wars and torture are fine. But now they want to see our wimmin naked! That's going too far!

    Even worse: They want to see our children naked!

    Please will someone (aside from the TSA and pedophiles) please think of the children!

    Would the recorded images of people under 18 be considered child porn?
  • Constitutional law (Score:5, Interesting)

    by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @12:14AM (#23690877) Homepage Journal
    Wouldn't this fall under the auspices of unreasonable search and seizure? It seems to me this manner of search invades personal privacy for no other reason than everyone is a criminal in the eyes of the TSA.

    I would hope that this matter gets brought up in SCOTUS
  • by SoapBox17 ( 1020345 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @12:16AM (#23690891) Homepage
    It occurred to me recently when they started charging to bring almost any luggage with you at all, that actually they are trying to make flying such a ridiculous process that people will just stop doing it unless they really need to.

    Think about it. The new fees on checked luggage are just going to cause people to push the envelope of carry on bags to the point the boarding/unboarding process is unbearable. Add on to that the 3-1-1, you can't bring liquids with you at all if you can't check baggage and you're not allowed to carry them on. Now they also are going to be looking at basically naked pictures of you as you get on the plane, and, oh yeah, don't forget you are paying a lot of money for this poor treatment, and soon the sodas won't even be free.

    No one in their right mind would fly at all under these circumstances, and that's exactly what they want.
  • by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) * on Saturday June 07, 2008 @12:57AM (#23691097) Homepage Journal

    Ocean liner. Fine meals, suites, good company, pools, ocean view, time to reflect, luxury in general. When you get where you're going, rent a private vehicle, presuming you're going significantly inshore. Possibly train travel; depends on the country. Trains can be luxurious and fine; or they can be just like aircraft. Research is worth doing before you travel.

    When I compare going on an aircraft to an ocean liner, the aircraft comes off as an experience somewhat akin to a few hours in a hamster cage. With crowded, angry hamsters and mad scientists at the cage door.

  • by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @01:02AM (#23691131) Homepage Journal
    It's not unreasonable search. This has been addressed before by the courts and many times here on Slashdot. Flying is a choice. If you choose not to go through the security measures, that means you choose not to fly (at least commercially). You are free to take other routes that do not have the same level of security.
  • Re:Geez, (Score:5, Interesting)

    by chaosite ( 930734 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @01:29AM (#23691271)
    Mind you, El Al has tested these sort of scanners before, and gave up on the idea because Israeli privacy laws currently forbid it.

    Just saying.
  • Re:Ewwww... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 07, 2008 @01:48AM (#23691353)
    I get searched manually all the time. The wankers see the scars and can't figure out that I'm not going to rip weapons from the body. I guess they think I'm a T-101 or some crazy s**t like that. Heck, it's not like I'm wearing concealing clothing either, standard shorts and tank top. I figure it's easier for them to wand me when the TSA boy's and girls can see the f**king scars. Winter obviously makes this harder.

    I was in a bike accident a little ways back. I have enough surgical steel in me to beep many place, but it has taught me a couple of things. The first being that many airports obviously turn down the sensitivity during busy times. I've had detectors that I've gone through and set off, not go off. Now if I, with 62 screws, 5 plates, and two pins don't set it off then WTF does? I doubt it's because they remembered me six months later at some busy hub.

    Still, you gave up your freedoms and privacy to be safe, right? I'd feel safer guarded by girl scouts at this point.
  • Re:Geez, (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DerekLyons ( 302214 ) <fairwater@@@gmail...com> on Saturday June 07, 2008 @01:53AM (#23691377) Homepage
    Hell, even after a week of working in a strip club filled with hotties... you pretty much cease to notice it.
  • People bitch and moan about airport security yet they keep voting for people who give them bigger and more intrusive government.

    No one bitches and moans. No one. Americans, at best, grumble and murmur under their breath.

    In a nation infamous for its loud and litigious protesters, the silence, the absolute and utter _silence_ on this issue is screaming. Where are the protestors? Where are the acronymed activists groups? Where are the calls to senators and paid for TV ads against these intrusions? Where are the B-list celebrity messages? Where are the class action lawsuits?

    Jesus. Even the ambulance chasers have been battered into submission. You're not going to be able to fix this for decades.
  • by rts008 ( 812749 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @04:42AM (#23691947) Journal
    From US President Franklin Roosevelt's First Inaugural Speech:

    "So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

    "Wasn't the whole mantra several years back one of "We musn't change our way of life, or THEY will have won."?"
    Yeah, I remember hearing that often in all of the press conferences, speeches, etc. right after the attacks.

    As a society here, we have lost our balls and our backbone.
  • Re:Geez, (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @05:23AM (#23692075)

    There's no way you can know that. Learning from the past is the only reasonable thing to do now; planes were hijacked, the loss of life and damage was significant, so we work to stop it happening again. Anything else would be reckless.
    No, what is reckless is to "work to stop it happening again" without regard to either the effectiveness or the cost of such work - both monetary and opportunity costs.

    These body-scanning machines have a very high cost and as long as checked luggage is not 100% screened, nor is service access to the airplane 100% screened (hell, its barely controlled at all as is) then these machines produce an ineffective increase in security. This isn't layered security, this a finger in a dike where the dike has already been completely washed away.

  • Re:um, radiation (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bcmm ( 768152 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @05:58AM (#23692171)
    Another student of physics here. You can make pretty much any frequency of radiation you like by moving electrons at that frequency. The difficult part tends to be how to move them about that fast. :-)

    Efficient emission and detection of Submillimeter radiation has not been practical for very long, which may be why you haven't heard of it. It's most often refered to as Terahertz Radiation [wikipedia.org].

    If you want stories of people being purposefully mislead, they outright lie about these things in Heathrow airport, London.
    The signs tell people that the machine uses a "very low dose of x-ray radiation". I was picked for a random security check, and given the choice of the scanner or a manual search. The manual thing sounded kind of scary, so I went for the scanner, in the full knowledge that it involves someone looking at my naked body.

    Now, because it sounds a bit frightening and was very new then, they were obviously instructed to reassure people about it, so when I insisted on seeing the images, they let me (they showed me the shot from behind, presumably in the hope i wouldn't realise they'd obviously looked at my cock). It was very obviously a Terrahertz-band scanner, but the staff and all the signs stated it was an x-ray machine, because everyone is used to those.

    Guess not everyone is a physics student who knows that X-rays are more dangerous than T-rays! I wouldn't have gone in the machine if I hadn't been totally sure that the ionising radiation was a lie.
  • Re:Ewwww... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mh1997 ( 1065630 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @07:59AM (#23692567)
    Yes you can, I was it IND about a month ago, the woman in front of me where you show your boarding pass and ID said she forgot her purse at home and wouldn't have time to go back. They took her to an alternate line where I lost track of her. About 45 minutes later she boarded the same Northwest Airlines plane that I did to DCA.
  • by TheFlannelAvenger ( 870106 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @10:17AM (#23693129)
    Maybe you do not have a right to fly. What I do have is a guaranteed Constitutional right to be safe in my person and my effects from warrant less searches by the government. That is not debatable. If the airlines themselves had their own security, and they were the ones doing the searches, fine, their plane, their business, their rules. The TSA is a government agency, they need a warrant. This latest nonsense with millimeter wave peeping tom scanners is just another reason I haven't been on a plane in years, and won't be anytime soon.
  • by atriusofbricia ( 686672 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @01:27PM (#23694331) Journal
    But the question is, is a choice of no choice, still a choice? Say I have to be on the other side of the country by the next day, or I get fired from my job. Is the choice of a) potential economic ruin or b) submitting to a search of my person and effects really a choice? I know it isn't life or death, but still.

    I suppose they would say that even that is a choice and you 'willingly' submitted when in reality you did no such thing. You did it because if you didn't you'd get fired.. and if you don't submit they won't let you fly. I say, it is a choice of no choice.

    Furthermore, if your argument is correct, then at best the only Constitutionally protected mode of movement is walking. So as long as you are free to walk from Tennessee to Washington state then your rights are just fine. Is that what you're saying?

  • Re:Geez, (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mdarksbane ( 587589 ) on Saturday June 07, 2008 @02:04PM (#23694559)
    Honestly, the smartest thing they could do would be a series of small bombs at high school football games, graduations, shopping malls - you can't be safe anywhere. It's a lot cheaper and easier than taking an airplane, and with people already riled up and scared, I think it would be just as effective.

    As for airport security... my company has had three laptops stolen out of checked baggage in the last year because people ignored the company policy of carrying them on. If they can't keep the airport baggage handlers straight (who have FAR more access to the plane than anyone riding as a passenger), why should we trust that any of their other "improvements" are worthwhile?

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