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Senator Proposes to Monitor All P2P Traffic for Illegal Files 626

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from the kind-of-strains-the-mind-to-think-about-huh dept.
mytrip writes "Senator Joe Biden (D-Del) has proposed an ambitious plan, costing on the order of $1 billion, aimed at curtailing illegal activities via P2P networks. His plan involves utilizing new software to monitor peer-to-peer traffic on an ongoing basis. 'At an afternoon Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing about child exploitation on the Internet, Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) said he was under the impression it's "pretty easy to pick out the person engaged in either transmitting or downloading violent scenes of rape, molestation" simply by looking at file names. He urged use of those techniques by investigators to help nab the most egregious offenders."
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Senator Proposes to Monitor All P2P Traffic for Illegal Files

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  • by elrous0 (869638) * on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:19AM (#23103156)
    Republicans belong to big business and the wealthy. Democrats belong to trial lawyers and Hollywood. And BOTH of them want to spy on me, tell me what I can and can't do on the internet, and use the government to impose their interest groups' agendas on me by force. And between big business and Hollywood, they're both just *aching* to crack down on file sharing, DRM circumvention, or anything that doesn't make some studio money, prop up a lethagic music industry and their 80's-era Compact Discs, or protect an overextended movie industry and their overpriced "tentpole" movies.

    Fuck them. Fuck them both.

  • And I'm sure . . . (Score:2, Insightful)

    by base3 (539820) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:20AM (#23103176)
    . . . this dragnet surveillance "for the children" would never be used to enforce copyright. Right, Senator RIAA?
  • Tags (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jaysyn (203771) <jaysyn+slashdot AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:22AM (#23103194) Homepage Journal
    I've never seen a better use for the "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag in my life.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:22AM (#23103198)
    The guy just likes to hear himself talk. He's had more failed attempts at the presidential nomination than Ralf Nader running for the Presidency.
  • Ananymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:23AM (#23103200)
    Wait... so all I have to do to transfer kiddy porn via p2p is change the name of the file?
  • I understand now (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:24AM (#23103208)
    I understand how these politicians can't get a handle on terrorism, crime, drugs etc.

    They think the people that deal in them are as stupid as they themselves are.

    What light through yonder window breaks? Tis the clarity of seeing people for what they truely are: idiots.
  • File names?? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ChuBie (945413) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:24AM (#23103210)
    He wants the filtering done on file names?? Is he serious? That would be one of the easiest filters to get around.
  • by BadAnalogyGuy (945258) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:24AM (#23103222)
    encr, lbhgu, puvyq, nff, shpx, cvff, yvpx, gbegher, encr, crrcrr, qhatrba, fubj, gryy, gbhpu, gvr, ovaq, fgevc, fcnax, fyvpr, oyrrq, qevax, fvfgre, oebgure, 8, 11, wvmm, ovgpu, fhpx, onfu, xvyy
  • Re:WHAT!?! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Swizec (978239) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:27AM (#23103270) Homepage
    Even though at first glance it might seem filenames aren't that important, it's actually a pretty good heuristic method to gauge what a file might contain.

    This is because people are hardwired to organising their stuff. A filename by the name of "rapeMe" is far easier to find when you need id than the same file, but named "rU2:s" don't you think?

    Now, since people are also lazy they forget to rename these files before transmiting them.

    Sure, the method is not perfect and yes sooner or later filenames will be randomly generated when transmiting by P2P clients themselves, but until then the method provides a good guess as to who needs further inspection.
  • by davidwr (791652) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:27AM (#23103274) Homepage Journal
    If encryption is used, you can't do it.

    If monitoring is heavy-handed AND encryption isn't illegal, it will be used.

    The net effect: Wasted CPU time for encryption/decryption.
  • Re:Remember, Kids (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dreamchaser (49529) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:28AM (#23103298) Homepage Journal
    Yeah. One party will try to enslave us just slightly faster than the other. It's so nice having a clear choice. (sarcasm intended)
  • by CogDissident (951207) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:29AM (#23103312)
    So, he has a "unique serial number" that always identifies a computer. But won't tell anyone how he got it. I'm guessing that they're assuming a MAC address is unique, even though it can be spoofed.

    In any case, all the more reason to use the TOR network.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:29AM (#23103314)
    Real issues: economy, environment, crime, international relations

    Distraction issues: file sharing, gay marriage, abortion, drugs, bosnian snipers

  • by Reality Master 201 (578873) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:30AM (#23103334) Journal
    He's the senator from MBNA and Citibank.

    Totally different.
  • by 0xdeadbeef (28836) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:32AM (#23103356) Homepage Journal
    I propose we monitor all government communication for evidence of corruption.
  • by mindwhip (894744) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:33AM (#23103360)
    I guess so. And all you need to do is call it knoppix.iso and you will either go unnoticed or will give the government so much work impounding every PC that has ever legally downloaded the popular Linux distro by P2P, as well as making criminals of all the people who download the kiddy porn by accident.
  • by UberHoser (868520) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:36AM (#23103412)
    Where he creates a (filter or firewall or program) to stop a 12 year old in finding 'naughty pictures' on the net. Then you hear a boinging sound and Dilbert says "I hope that is not his eyes popping out'. Lets face the facts. Anyone can build something to get by any type of restrictions on the net. Period.
  • Re:Remember, Kids (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Pig Hogger (10379) <pig.hogger@noSpaM.gmail.com> on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:38AM (#23103444) Homepage Journal

    Think twice (and then three or four times for good measure) the next time someone tells you to vote Democrat in order to protect your rights.
    Anybody who votes republican whilst not being a zillionaire is a sucker. Plain and simple. One who has swallowed the total lie that republicans are less tax-happy than the democrats. Democrats tax now, but republicans tax later by inflating deficits and the debt.

    Don't believe me? Google for US federal deficit charts...

  • by zappepcs (820751) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:39AM (#23103452) Journal
    You are exactly right in your suspicions, get ready for darknet p2p programs to start popping up all around us. When Mr. Biden asks what a darknet is, I hope he is summarily ejected from public office. Subsequent to this law, the information on the internet made available to share via darknets will in turn make its way to those who would share materials that are illegal, so the end result is nearly zero. Some idiots will always get caught, but they are just as likely to get caught without this law.

    Anyone with his position should have enough intelligence to seek out smart people and see what can be done sensibly. Of course, all his intelligence is in his wallet; which is (un)fortunately under his ass most of the time.

    It really is time to get rid of big business lobbyists. Their damage to the US is unfathomably huge. Time for open lobbying, not dissimilar to having to post your lobbying requests on the legislator's wiki site for all to see.

    We need a LOT more transparency in the influences on legislators. Clearly.

    This legislation is being promoted without clear evidence that it is needed. Where is the supporting evidence to show that this legislation will stop what it is intended to stop? How will it stop those from posting to the Internet from countries where the material is not illegal? There is no evidence to support it. If there is, the law is not needed. They can use the evidence they already have to arrest those guilty of the supposed crimes. Fucking idiots.

    What an asshat. Yes, your child can click on the 'download britany spears' link and get childporn. Those filenames are ALWAYS accurate. Damn, even the **AA were using wrong filenames to spoil P2P sharing.
  • Re:Remember, Kids (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SatanicPuppy (611928) * <Satanicpuppy&gmail,com> on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:39AM (#23103454) Journal
    Dems always suck on IP issues and censorship. That's been the case for decades. They think of the children waaaay too much.

    On the other hand, republicans also suck for censorship (dems hate violence, repubs hate boobies), and they are far more likely to get "decency-style" laws passed, than infringe on individual liberty...If you can't buy booze on a Sunday in your state, somewhere, there is a Republican to thank.
  • by somersault (912633) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:39AM (#23103462) Homepage Journal

    pretty easy to pick out the person engaged in either transmitting or downloading violent scenes of rape, molestation
    Would that also mean monitoring someone downloading, say.. The Sopranos, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, any hentai whatsoever.. and so on and so forth? :P
  • Re:File names?? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by somersault (912633) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:43AM (#23103506) Homepage Journal
    Uhh.. you can just hit Shift and lowercase s.. don't need to press shift 4 to get a capital S. Are you related to Twitter by any chance?
  • Re:Tags (Score:4, Insightful)

    by MozeeToby (1163751) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:47AM (#23103562)
    How about a new tag, maybe... naive. Seriously, the way the government does stuff it would cost a billion just to implement what he's proposing. And we all know that child porn addicts never use encryption or, God Forbid, change the name of the files from "kiddy porn101" to "my cool bands music".
  • by mastershake_phd (1050150) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:48AM (#23103578) Homepage

    Republicans belong to big business and the wealthy. Democrats belong to trial lawyers and Hollywood. And BOTH of them want to spy on me, tell me what I can and can't do everywhere, and use the government to impose their interest groups' agendas on me by force. And between big business and Hollywood, they're both just *aching* to crack down on file sharing, DRM circumvention, or anything that doesn't make some studio money, prop up a lethagic music industry and their 80's-era Compact Discs, or protect an overextended movie industry and their overpriced "tentpole" movies.

    Fuck them. Fuck them both.

    There, fixed that for you.
  • Re:Remember, Kids (Score:5, Insightful)

    by somersault (912633) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:50AM (#23103606) Homepage Journal
    How the fuck do you expect voting for one of two parties is going to represent the majority of your views? I live in the UK, and I'm fed up of random slashdotters flaming republican this, democrat that, can you please explain what the actual difference is? I've seen more than one person point out that there is none, and I wouldn't find that hard to believe. I think as far as democracy is concerned, people should be able to vote on invidual laws and such (if they consider that law important) rather than vote one party every few years and expect to have things go the way they're wanting them to. Does it really matter whether this guy is Republican or Democrat? I'm sure there are plenty of idiots in both parties..

    Apologies for the slightly trollish nature of my post, but it's really pissing me off seeing this inane republican vs democrat stuff, it's like racism or something, except the fairly arbitrary divide being which set of self-important morons you vote for instead of place of birth/skin colour. Admittedly you do have a choice who to vote for, but in the end there are always gonna be problems no matter who you vote for, under the current system at least.
  • by Firehed (942385) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @09:56AM (#23103698) Homepage

    Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) said he was under the impression it's "pretty easy to pick out the person engaged in either transmitting or downloading violent scenes of rape, molestation" simply by looking at file names.

    Does that quote suggest to you that he's technical enough to even know what a MAC address is, let alone know that it's spoofed with five seconds worth of work in the command prompt? People have of course screwed with filenames just to see what happens (much more in Kazaa/Limewire than Bit-torrent), probably to test Rule 34, with interesting results; more importantly, it shows that filenames are completely meaningless if you're looking to actually reveal content. In any case, just ticking the "encryption required" box in your torrent client solves that problem - and you can bet your ass that any sort of unique serial number would be the much more industry-standard (and equally absurd) IP address. You know - take the RIAA approach.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:00AM (#23103770)
    I hear the snow is starting to melt in Canada at this time of year. :-)

    Canada took a misguided right turn a few years ago and currently has a government in residence (albeit, thankfully, tenuously) that is nothing more than neocon-lite. We're still better off than you, but the current government likes nothing better than to oil the slippery slope and herd the Canadian sheeple in its direction on behalf of its big-business masters. One can keep hoping the people will wake up and smell the frog sweat, but Canadians tend to be too trusting and easy-going and thus ripe for abuse.
  • by c00rdb (945666) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:01AM (#23103798)
    Aside from the obvious issues in actually implementing this horrendous idea- I have to wonder since when is this the governments concern? Copyright infringement has always been a civil matter. I think this would be the same as the government monitoring the internet for libel against any citizens. It's ridiculous. The fact is our government is horribly run. Stuff like this really makes me angry. How about concentrating on saving money instead of inventing new taxes and new ways to monitor us. How about someone who proposes agency spending starting from ZERO- thus eliminating the need for agencies to needlessly waste money at the end of the year so they get it again next year. ARGH!HU#IRHR*$
  • Re:WHAT!?! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:03AM (#23103838)
    Have you ever heard of mapping real file names to some other text. Example: Beat_the_Wife.jpg is changed to Domestic_Pinata.jpg

    The file sharing service uses Slapstick_Family_Birthday.jpg while the consumer of the media renames it locally to Beat_the_Wife.jpg

    I am certain the pedophiles already use code words to mean various things not obvious from the words themselves.
  • by dave1791 (315728) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:09AM (#23103944)
    So a senator said something stupid about a subject outside of his domain of expertise. Every slashdotter, if elected to the senate, would say stupid things about SOMETHING. This is not a proposal for a law, or Iâ(TM)d be seeing it on my opencongress.org feed. Just kindly wite to the man and inform him that within a week of any such law coming into play, P2P programs would be randomizing the filenames.
  • The payoff (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PoliTech (998983) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:10AM (#23103956) Homepage Journal
    Where's the payoff ... hmmmm let's see:

    Biden pushed for passage of a bill known as the Combating Child Exploitation Act. It would authorize more than $1 billion over the next eight years to hire 250 new federal agents devoted to Internet crimes against children...

    One billion dollars! (puts pinky to lower lip) I see the tip of an ice berg, but ok since ... "It's for the children"!

    provide additional funding to regional computer forensics labs, and give out more federal grants to the regional Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) task forces. The House of Representatives passed a companion bill in October.

    Ah! The rest of the iceberg! Now how will we pay for it? [slashdot.org]

    No matter that it cannot possibly work, it is for the children you see. So naturally if it's not working, we'll simply need to provide a bit more funding in this year's budget, and the next, and the next...

  • by MrMacman2u (831102) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:11AM (#23104000) Journal
    If you are implying that everyone is wealthy therefore everyone is Republican... I'd gladly claim to be a Republican if it automatically meant that $100 bills just start floating out of the sky and into my pocket.

    No, I'm not a republican OR a democrat because I enjoy the process of THINKING too much to give it up.

    Both parties of this bi-partisan country are corrupt, lazy, money grubbing, fear mongers and I refuse to vote for another piece of deadwood until there are people put up for election that are WORTH VOTING FOR and not one minute sooner.
  • Re:WHAT!?! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by thynk (653762) <slashdot&thynk,us> on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:18AM (#23104102) Homepage Journal
    News alert: Billion dollar federal monitoring program defeated by ROT13 file name encryption. Feds calling "ROT13" the worst thing to happen to national security since 9-11.

    It's unfortunate that none of this Billion bucks they want to spend catching people who swap illegal porn will actually help any of the children who were abused and in reality, won't stop it from happening to other children. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure this isn't it.

  • Re:WHAT!?! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Entropius (188861) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:19AM (#23104112)
    Congratulations, if this goes through and someone gets that job, we now have a new record-holder:

    The Most Rickrolled Person In The World.
  • by Choad Namath (907723) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:24AM (#23104182)
    What moron rated this post a troll?
  • by FatSean (18753) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:33AM (#23104346) Homepage Journal
    We need more parties. This huge nation is too diverse to fit into A or B, we need like 20 different parties! Unfortunately, there is little incentive to do this because the politicians who can make the change benefit way too much from the status quo.

    I wonder if anyone has a viable stratergy for getting more parties into the mix.

    I feel a strong affiliation to the beer and cartoon party.
  • Re:File names?? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by db32 (862117) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:38AM (#23104498) Journal
    No no no...where the hell have you been? The $ in M$, I$O, and $enator Biden are not meant to be S. Certain organizations and persons EARN the right to replace the boring S with an $ though blatant lies, manipulations, fraud, bribery, and thievery.

    Slashdot, Somersault, Open Source are all non privilidged S users.

    $C0 is actually a special case in that they earn the $ priviledge AND get to replace the O with a zero for being so failing so miserably at it.
  • by porcupine8 (816071) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:43AM (#23104598) Journal
    Dude, I would MUCH rather they sit around and name state cakes than pass laws like this.
  • by Darby (84953) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @10:56AM (#23104850)
    Well, there was one candidate who would have stood up for your rights. A real old school Republican too, which looks more like a Libertarian these messed up days.

    The real old school Republicans are primarily the people who founded the Libertarian party when the Republicans turned down this road long long ago.

    All the rest of them left the Republican party when that fascist monster Reagan was elected.

    Ron Paul is a libertarian and has been for a long time.
    He's nothing at all like a Republican as clearly demonstrated by the fact that he was never even close to becoming the Republican candidate.

  • Federalism (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bobbuck (675253) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:00AM (#23104898)
    Wouldn't be easier to go back to limited government and federalism so that you don't have to weigh national security, education, transportation, health care, etc. when voting for a single office?

    What you want would just result in tyranny by the largest plurality.

  • by TheSeventh (824276) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:03AM (#23104950)
    The problem with this approach, is that you are sitting back and waiting for things to change. I don't like most things about how our government is run or the people who run it either, but I try to take a more pragmatic view of changing things.

    This is also my disagreement with those supporting Ron Paul. Maybe he is the best candidate, and maybe everything would be better if he were elected, but he has literally no chance of becoming president, but a lot of his supporters talk of voting for him, instead of "throwing away your vote" on one of the 3 contenders.

    So, voting for Ron Paul is not throwing away your vote, even though he can't win, and therefore, you still didn't vote for the winner of the election, and possibly helped one of the others get elected instead? I feel it necessary to vote for the lesser of 3 evils, at least so things can be BETTER than they are now. I would rather have my say in voting for someone who can win, than in voting for an ideal out of protest for the others.

    It's sad, but these days more people need to vote AGAINST someone, than for someone. You don't want McCain to become president? Vote for the person running against him that can actually win. You don't like any of the three? Find the one you can deal with for the next four years and vote for that one.

    Say my dream car was a really fast Ferrari, but I only had $5000 to spend and I don't have any current transportation. Should I put that money away and just wait until I had enough to buy it, (which may never happen), and not have any transportation? Or should I be more practical and find the best option available to me right now, so that I can drive to work, and get a better job that makes more money and maybe earn enough to buy the Ferrari?

    It'd be great if I could have my ideal, but practicality limits reality.
  • Re:Remember, Kids (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ioldanach (88584) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:03AM (#23104956)
    The Democratic party wants to take money from the rich and/or old and use it to protect the poor and/or young from the rich and/or old. They espouse a belief that the children are more important than anything else, and try every possible tactic, regardless of how invasive or absurd, to, ostensibly, protect them. They seem to think that the constitutional amendment protecting gun ownership is just a guideline, and it means that the National Guard should have guns but normal citizens shouldn't, and spend lots of time trying to get rid of them.

    The Republican party wants to take out a loan that will be paid for by the poor and/or young later (because they can't afford it now) and use it to protect the rich and/or old from the poor and/or young. They don't want to hear naughty words or see any sort of sexual content occur in public at all, both because they think their grandchildren might learn something bad from them and because they seem to offend easily.

    Both sides share two common issues. They think the children need protection from everything, and seek to protect their interests from the other side 's interests at the other side's expense.

    Incidentally, since libertarians get up a lot here I'll include them. The Libertarian party wants the government to get just enough money to carry out the most basic of functions such as protecting everyone in the country from nothing less than invaders and egregious crimes. They rely on each person's intelligent nature to recognize that it is in their own self-interest to stop trying to get someone else to pay for what that person wants. As evidenced by the two parties that are the the powerhouses of the nation, this is unlikely to ever get anywhere.

  • Re:Remember, Kids (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Clovis42 (1229086) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:11AM (#23105120)

    think as far as democracy is concerned, people should be able to vote on invidual laws and such

    Well, the US, and most other "democracies" are representative democracies. Voting on individual laws is a terrible idea. Just look at Athens. Regardless of that though, citizens of the US (in some states) actually do get to vote on individual laws, through "Issues" polls, or on state consitutional amendments. That's how some states get ridiculous "anti-gay marriage" laws passed that a representative body would probably avoid.

    The US is not, by law, a 2 party system; it has just developed that way. Democrats and Republicans do not always vote in one big block either. There are "blue dog" Democrats who will occasionally side with Republicans on some things, for example. Middle of the road representatives sometimes team up to challenge their parties. So, in the end, there actually is reasonable representaton.

    The problem is that most Americans don't really understand how they are represented. Many don't vote, or only do so when their vote counts the least, the presidential election. The Senators represent smaller areas, and Representatives represent even smaller areas than those, and that's just the FEDERAL government. Most of the stuff that actually affects your life is decided by your State/County/Local/City representatives. Hardly anyone votes for them, or can keep track of them. Which makes those votes the most powerful you can cast.

    So, to somehow be on topic, for this issue it doesn't matter at all if they are Republican or Democrat. Pretty much all the federal reps are "it's a series of tubes!" boneheads for technical issues.
  • by gelfling (6534) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:21AM (#23105324) Homepage Journal
    Right Joe, all P2P traffic is used to propagate kiddie porn and allow those child raping Mooshlum terrorists to convert your virgin daughters to abortion-having car bombers.

    I'm really starting to hate this fucking country.
  • by jrhawk42 (1028964) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:34AM (#23105568)
    Just watch in a year or two the newspapers will be reading "Senator Joe Biden (D-Del) has been arrested for trafficking illegal files."
  • by moxley (895517) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:37AM (#23105636)
    Could this be anymore disingenuous? Could this be anymore bullshit?

    So is is about violence? Take a look at TV. I don't see him concerned about that.

    SO this is about porn? I think not as P2P is one of many ways to obtain porn and has nothing to do with the production of it.

    So this is really about lobbyists and big business buying support for an assinine policy that goes against the interests of the people this man is supposed to serve.

    Now let's look at the technical side. Doe he even know what he is talking about? Obviously not. MAC addresses and IP addresses can be spoofed; neither of them can definitively ID a person.

    Does he even understand general technology concepts? Obviously not, because if he did he would realize that the second one technological avenue is closed, the tech community will create a new one. Innovation cannot be stopped by repressive minded politicos who are in the pocket of consortiums.

    This is an important issue - one that could be used to basically take away the privacy you have on your computer and internet connection. When this government uses things like this they will take advantage of them to the hilt.
  • by kkovach (267551) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:42AM (#23105712)
    San Francisco is sooooo far away from New York. Wouldn't it be nice if we could fly there!?

    Pish Posh! That'll never happen. You best start walking now, rather than spend your valuable time trying to figure out how to fly! You'll waste your life away and never make it. Then you'll be sorry. At least walking you'll get there some day!

    Today 10,000 people vote for Ron Paul, tomorrow maybe 100,000 vote for Ventura. If we never start it'll never happen.
  • Re:Tags (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @11:43AM (#23105734)
    Naive. I almost fell off my chair laughing. A billion taxpayer dollars later, when the power elite -- the people who make their fortunes in the business of government -- are swimming in seas of cash, naive is exactly what they hope you think of them.

    it would cost a billion just to implement

    You even answered your own question! When evaluating government, NEVER atrribute to incompetance what can be attributed to malice. Who says? About 10,000 years of history.
  • by Arccot (1115809) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @12:01PM (#23106042)

    So, voting for Ron Paul is not throwing away your vote, even though he can't win, and therefore, you still didn't vote for the winner of the election, and possibly helped one of the others get elected instead? I feel it necessary to vote for the lesser of 3 evils, at least so things can be BETTER than they are now. It'd be great if I could have my ideal, but practicality limits reality.
    Kinda true, kinda not. While I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, the idea works for any 3rd party candidate. The more support a third party candidate gets in the general election, the easier it is for the third party to compete in subsequent elections. The party gets federal matching funds for federal elections, an easier way to get on the ballot, and state benefits vary from state to state. So yes, voting for Ron Paul does make it more likely a third party will be able to rise out of obscurity, just not instantly.

    It is POSSIBLE to bring up a third party, if not to compete with the Reps and Dems, then to replace one of them. We aren't still voting for Whigs, after all.

    I personally think it would be easier to start a third party at the bottom, in local and regional elections, than to make a bid for the presidency. But you need to attempt both to get the word out.
  • by clickety6 (141178) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @12:22PM (#23106412)
    I feel it necessary to vote for the lesser of 3 evils, at least so things can be BETTER than they are now. I would rather have my say in voting for someone who can win, than in voting for an ideal out of protest for the others.

    Sir, would you like your testicles served to you deep fried, boiled or shredded?

    Not always easy to tell which is the lesser of the three evils ;-)

  • by ultranova (717540) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @12:26PM (#23106482)

    As far as I know that defense probably wouldn't work. It's akin to leaving your gun on the kitchen table. In the US, the use of various tools implies knowledge & responsible handling. Unless you live in California where you can get away with anything.

    What if I sell coffee out of my kitchen window ? Could I then claim to be an Internet Cafe, and not liable for my customer's actions ? Or is this yet another right which only companies over a certain size rather than real human beings have ?

  • by Bryansix (761547) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @12:35PM (#23106624) Homepage
    If you live in California it actually DOES make sense to vote for Ron Paul. Why you ask? Because it is a winner take all state and there is no way in hell that anybody except a democrat will take the state. So if you don't like the Democrat then you might as well vote for Ron Paul because your vote won't count for shit either way. A vote for Ron Paul or a vote for McCain is just as worthless but the Ron Paul vote sends a signal.

    What you are pushing for is breaking democracy.
  • by patrik (55312) <pbutler@@@killertux...org> on Thursday April 17, 2008 @12:50PM (#23106876) Homepage
    Except.... Ron Paul is not a 3rd party candidate so any talk of supporting him to improve the LP party is complete crock. I guess he may still end up being the LP candidate but I doubt it for two reasons:

    1) He seems to have strayed from what my (and I think many other's) vision of what Libertarian is i.e. he believes in State's Rights at the cost of citizen's rights. He either fails to see that the States and the Fed govt are both equally capable of evil, or he has another agenda. and

    2) It would probably cost him his Republican support, and possibly his seat in the House, because after all this is the party that likes to hang together.
  • by 0111 1110 (518466) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @01:21PM (#23107400)
    tags: democratswantpolicestatetoo or getridofrepublicanstosaveusfrom1984

    Obviously just getting rid of Bush is not going to save us. Both democrats and republicans want big intrusive governments. The only difference seems to be that the republicans are in favor of borrowing and inflation to feed their spending addiction while the democrats are quite content to use old fashioned taxes more (in addition to the other methods). Both parties want to be spending a lot more of our money with each passing year. Both parties are funded more than adequately by Big Business. Do the democrats still talk about class warfare while at the same time proposing raising taxes on the poorest segment of the population with regressive tax schemes? I don't see the point to listening to anything they have to say. It is all lies and they will do whatever they please once elected. Idealists, however naive, are not elected anymore. Only pragmatists whose only beliefs are in serving themselves and saying whatever they think will get them elected.
  • Lies and Glory (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Miros (734652) * on Thursday April 17, 2008 @01:40PM (#23107710)
    What annoys me about this article is the glorification of the system that they have created. P2P networks use open protocols which are exceedingly well documented. Almost every bittorrent client that I've ever seen has a specific window with which to view the peers you are connected to. Literally, someone could copy and paste code from an OSS project, couple it with a dictionary of keywords, and then end up with this system. It's infuriating that someone could be taking so much credit for it. Finally, and most egregiously, they fail to point out that this entire system is ineffective in monitoring people with even the least bit of intelligence (you would imagine if you were transferring one of the only types of illegal content on the internet, that you would use an encrypted session), further indicating that this system is probably just a totally behind the scenes funded starting point for the enforcement of copyright through active federal monitoring of open P2P systems.
  • Intrusion is good, extrusion is bad, inclusion is ....

    Government Intrusion into personal life is good for plutocrats and dogmatist.
    Government extrusion up your ass is a fact of life in totalitarian countries.
    Government body inclusion in the public body is a poison to personal freedom.
    Public body exclusion from the Government body is totalitarian decapitation.

    Government, Corporatist, TeleClerics, Plutocrats want to get in your pants, under your skin, break your bones, suck your marrow, eat your heart, rot you brains, and finally fuck the dead fetid corpses of the public.

    Corporatist/oligarchy government is big business with public resources to exploit, squander, and destroy. Like rich kids with toy soldiers ... it is all for their grand, bland, and fleeting glory.

    Depression when it hits is bad for US never them. Toy-soldiers, Suzie-homemaker ... are just things to play with in a clueless life that has no sense of reality.
    Intrusive constant warrantless P2P searches and virtual home invasions for US, does not mean politicians, judges ... (so they think) or CEO/CFO plutocrats and law breaking holy dogmatist.

    Have you ever noticed how detached Cheney/Bush or Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon look/act when answering questions about our dead and wounded Warriors? To fools such as they and other PTB members we are just toy-Soldiers for play and fun. Look at the education system, health care, economic, telecommunications ... decline for the last 40+ years. Politicians accept corporatists and plutocrats funds and play the almost have some (wealth) folks against the have nothing (need help) folks ... always to the benefit of the PTB members. Fewer more wealth individuals every year and corporate/government and religion (catholic/mormon child molesting) accountability is close to nonexistent for US.

    Anyway, ... get use to it ... more to come ... just before ... more to cum in your ears.

    This (P2P intrusion) is not any more obscene, troll ... than what has been happening to US for decades.
  • RIAA (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17, 2008 @02:33PM (#23108522)
    This is so obviously RIAA. The anti porn aspect of it is front and the ultimate goal is to prevent anything copyrighted being shared; to fine the parents of misbehaving children - no matter how much profit the entertainment industry makes.
  • by Stanislav_J (947290) on Thursday April 17, 2008 @03:30PM (#23109394)

    Did you bother to read TFA? File sharing? DRM circumvention? hollywood/music industry??

    The only thing that the FA mentions is child pornography, molestation, rape, abuse, etc. Not once do they speak about any of the illegal things you've mentioned.

    I'll admit that I've a fear of a legitimate child-porn-tracking system being used to combat other activities, esp. for people in no way involved in such horrific fetishes, but that isn't the point of the system (as stated) that Biden wants.

    Whenever law enforcement at any level says of a tactic or system or program, "Don't worry -- we're only going to use it to go after [insert category of criminals here]," always assume an unspoken "NOT" between "we're" and "only." Hello??? Patriot Act, anyone? Warrantless wiretaps? National Security Letters?

  • by Lord Kano (13027) on Friday April 18, 2008 @01:34AM (#23114356) Homepage Journal
    When he was fucking with pro-life protesters, how many of you didn't care because you weren't pro-life?
    When he was fucking with gun owners, how many of you didn't care because you didn't own guns?
    Now that he's fucking with P2P, we have to do something about it?

    LK

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