Creative Backs Down on Vista Driver Debacle 228
In the wake of last week's driver debacle, Creative has finally decided to back down for PR purposes. Modder Daniel_K, author of the offending Vista drivers, has had his posts on the Creative forums reinstated. According to Creative the move was to avoid infringing on other company's IP. "Daniel_K is incensed by Creative. 'They publicly threatened me, just to show their arrogance,' he told El Reg by email. He told us that Creative contacted him on a chat session. 'They were sarcastic, ironic and asked me if I wanted something from them, as if I were expecting something,' he wrote. 'It was my protest against them and would like to see how far it would go.'"
Backing down or CYA Manuver? (Score:5, Interesting)
This doesn't happen with free software (Score:4, Interesting)
Daniel_k had no right to modify Creative's software. They did not grant
him the right and he was not using an OS that granted him any rights.
People need to start purchasing products which give them the freedom to
use the product. What I'm saying is that when you buy a product you
should especially look for one feature: freedom.
http://fsf.org/ [fsf.org] For more information about software freedoms please see
the Free Software Foundation's homepage.
Re:Backing down or CYA Manuver? (Score:5, Interesting)
Either way, the Internet has yet again handily shown another large corporate entity that 'do no evil' is a pretty damned good motto.
That once letter to the local paper editor gets millions of reads these days. Despite their efforts, many businesses and their practices are transparent to the public whether they like it or not. The "blowback" from that is what some like to call 'market forces' at work
Google was rather bright to call everything beta, and only put a line through the word when everyone was happy with how it works. When you produce products and make claims of a general nature and have no clear plan with how to deal with those inevitable questions from reviewers and users... well, blowback is the natural response.
Trying to hush up the competition is
It's just a shame that the folks at Creative had to fsck it up like this when they could have created a PR positive experience of it.
Re:This doesn't happen with free software (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:This doesn't happen with free software (Score:5, Interesting)
Mind you, I think Creative was a complete asshat over this, but the legal basis still intrigues me.
Re:Too little, too late (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Too late for Creative (Score:3, Interesting)
No leg to stand on anyway: Tortuous Interference (Score:4, Interesting)
Since the drivers he made available were generally available anyway, he did not run afoul of copyright for making his changes available. (assuming he uses the words "for support work" and not "for the drivers") He could use "patch" just to be 100% sure.
As a consultant I can (and have done) modify third party hardware and software for the benefit of a customer who has proper ownership of the hardware and license to the software and I may change for that service and there's NOTHING the third party vendor can do about it.
The relationship Daniel has with the user of a driver with his modifications is of no business to Creative. In fact, Creative may be worried that they are interfering with Daniels business. If you are curious look up "Tortuous Interference."
Daniel *did* make money from his work. He could have a case against Creative's very public accusation.
Re:Good for him (Score:5, Interesting)
Still no true 3D positional audio through EAX either, just some hackneyed binaural cues. It's a shame, but I guess that's just how the stone rolls.
Re:Good for him (Score:5, Interesting)
Last time this subject came up, I said that onboard sound was more than good enough: multiple people proved me wrong, and indeed, i was, so I'm not going to try and argue that. However, point is, for 90% of people, the computer will be functional as is. Games will run fine, their MP3s will play fine (and I can't hear any noise introduced by the board during playback, and its quite limited and hard to notice during recording... of course, not viable for professional work), everything will be "good enough" to the average joe (as opposed to videocards, where even Joe will realise really quickly that his onboard video isn't good enough when he can't even run a 3 years old game on his machine).
So that means that ALMOST EVERYONE who buys a sound card, knows what they want. Low noise, professional features, instrument ports, specific encoder/decoders support, and they'll want quality (and the tone of your post is quite in line with this statement).
So Creative cannot sell shitty feature-less cards easily. They have to have a LOT over an onboard card for someone to want it.
Re:Good for him (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Let's be clear here (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:This doesn't happen with free software (Score:4, Interesting)
From here
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=116332 [creative.com]
2) I firmly believe that Daniel K has caught the flack because of the Dolby Digital feature As far as I am aware Auzentech paid a lot of money for an exclusive licence with Dolby to have their cards support this. Now, Creative would get into trouble if they allow a means for this to be "cracked" to run on non-Auzentech cards.
3) Accepting money (even in the form of donations) for someone elses copyrighted material is a big NO NO.
Now Daniel_K comes along and enables the code on Creative cards. Dolby finds out and complains to Auzentech since they probably signed a contract that only allows them to use the technology on their cards. Auzentech complains to Creative who've signed a contract to enforce this in the driver. And things look bad for Creative, since they allowed him to post the crack on their forum.
So it's not the Vista driver he's in trouble for, it's unlocking Dolby on Creative cards.
That said, the traditional way to handle this is to negotiate in private not on some internet forum, offer the guy a job and so on. And release the missing Vista drivers.
Re:Backing down or CYA Manuver? (Score:5, Interesting)
They only care about not getting caught when they do evil. Creative was caught, and now they are back-peddling to try to avoid the consequences of their actions.
Re:Let's be clear here (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:This doesn't happen with free software (Score:1, Interesting)
IANAL, though.
Re:Good for him (Score:4, Interesting)
The amount of ppl doing recording on their home PC is likely below 1%. Those might need multichannel low-latency ASIO, but for the rest of us, onboard auio is more than good enough. It's not like the crappy AC97 of 10 years ago anymore.
Re:This doesn't happen with free software (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Good for him (Score:2, Interesting)
most of Creative's customers are what I like to call the "dumb gamer"(not to say all gamers are dumb). They go to fry's or walmart looking for something to make their computer better for games and a salesperson will sell them a Creative product (snazzy box, designed and built for clueless installers).
add to that a generation of people that were raised on "if it isn't creative it just won't work" back from the days when Creative were the only ones making decent drivers for their products, and you have a good customer base that keeps Creative afloat no matter what color of crap they sell to people.
I do agree with your point that onboard sound is good enough for most people, and a sound pro is probably going to know what he needs and skip Creative's products. you hit the nail on the head on both of those accounts.
Re:Good for him (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Good for him (Score:3, Interesting)
Because I have one (X-Fi, got it included in my PC) and while it's an acceptable sound card(How hard is that, really), it would be absolutely useless for recording.
I used Guitar Rig just for giggles on it, and the latency is so bad (even with the rather good Asio4all drivers) that it's useless for serious use.
I think it would be criminal if they advertised it as something serious for recording.
Re:Good for him (Score:3, Interesting)
I've been looking at the whole Creative situation for a little while now - I used to be a big fan of their hardware. My first SB16 kicked so much ass during the Glory Days of Microprose and Windows 3.11...
So, naturally, I was disenheartened to hear how poorly this was handled. But, angry lawyer-speak aside, my understanding is that Creative had a few (legitimate) problems:
I built my current rig over the summer, and I have yet to put a proper sound card in it. The onboard audio is fairly good - my Striker Extreme motherboard comes with a riser card, which seems to have taken care of most of the motherboard noise. (Or, maybe it's just to trick people into thinking they're getting a real sound card.) I have a dual core processor, so a little audio work isn't going to hurt it much. (And then there are games like Doom 3 that process all sound, in software, in a separate thread, and completely ignore hardware acceleration.) I'm not going to get a sound card and use up a precious expansion slot until I get better speakers - and living in a dorm, that won't be for quite some time.
It's a shame they're having problems like this, though. They had good, solid products, and I've been quite happy with them and their drivers up through the Audigy. (I haven't purchased one since.)
Maybe AMD will surprise the world by including kick-ass audio equipment in its spider-monkey platform or whatever...