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National Security? (Score:4, Insightful)
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universal translator: active (Score:4, Insightful)
Lets see. inspire fear
or, contain pornography
and finally, endanger national security would be endanger their position of power by inciting unrest
There, that's better.
Shiny happy peoples' republic (Score:2)
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What is wrong with the IOC (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally, I think it is time that the Olympics are removed from the control of the IOC. The games in China should also be canceled.
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Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:5, Informative)
I am from Beijing and I really wish the game could be canceled.
In Soviet China, the games play you. Yes it's true. I live in my college (a public one, funded by the govn't) where more than 80% of the students are from other places outside Beijing, me included. We will be forced to leave our campus before the Olympic games open, because the college's gym shall be used by the athelets as a place of training (some say they are the USA swimming team). The college has decided so, but offers no single bit of solution for our accomodation during that period. I guess most of us may have to go home --- for quite a few of us this means a long journey across the country, at a considerable cost. For those who has a job here this would mean further loss. I feel I'm being treated as an undesirable, troublesome one who is best kept clear from the city in which I have been living for three years. We are not free to travel or stay as we wish within our own country, or even within our own city.
Thanks to the Olympic games China is drawing increasingly more attentions of the world. I hope that, as a result of the pressure from both within and outside, the govn't would take some measures for us. This is hardly likely, though.
Now something on topic. Removing the Olympics from the IOC? Not likely. Canceling the games? The IOC members are very experienced in politics, and politics has nothing to do with human rights. They can't be ignorant to the massacre taking place in China, but that has nothing to do with their business. They have a perfect alibis: the IOC is not an organization for settling political affairs. We do our own business.
Recently, the Olympic firetorch is going on its tour around the world, including Lhasa, Tibet. I can hardly imagine this.
And a tip for some of you who may want to travel to China for watching the Games: you have to be prepared for the Internet experience in China which is far from yours in your home. Want to know more about a game? There's no Wikipedia. Want home news? A lot of media websites banned. Want watch video from YouTube? No way. Want to read your emails? If you've done many "undesirable " searches on Google you may have trouble accessing your gmail account, as some of my friends have noted. Slashdot? I can only hope the best. It seems that they havnt been keeping an eye on slashdot now. I guess most of the decision makers have no idea of what Slashdot is like...
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Other reasons : avoiding students (Score:4, Insightful)
I think another reason that is also pleasing the government a lot is that this will keep all these students away from the camera of international journalist.
You know, with all these habits that we students worldwide have of protesting and organising processions and strikes, it's good side effect that the campus will be closed, just in case if some Chinese students decided to overcome their fears and copy us trying some of the silly stuff that the foreign colleagues are doing.
It would be specially embarrassing since they won't be able to handle potential students protest the usual way (it's not very encouraged to send tank against students in front of cameras).
Except that if the government had said "Students aren't allowed to express publicly their political opinion" the whole western world would be complaining about attacks to their freedom of speech. Whereas "China announce it will happily lend its Colleges' gyms so athlete can win, saddly this means that the duration of the students summer break will have to be extended" suddenly sounds a lot more benevolent. The government hit two birds with single stone : They both do us a favor giving a place to our athlete and managed do discretely shut the Chinese students up.
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Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:4, Informative)
Here in my college, many of the students stay at the campus even if it's the summer holiday. Some of them just can't afford the ticket home. We use to have choices, and now they say 'Go home. This place is not for you.' Not everyone can happily accept this.
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Its funny when you see human rights violations in the US people go thats shameful, we are better than this. Alot of people blaming corporations. Or saying theres nothing that can be done. When there are rights abuses in china, there is no question, the country is the embodiment of the devil. You are so harsh and judging, final in your judgment.
And the
Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get ME started on what a load of bullshit that is.
China claimed sovereignty of Tibet, as it did for many neighbouring countries, such as Vietnam and Korea at various times. In practice, these countries may have paid tribute to Beijing, but Beijing never administered these regions. Tibet was an independent kingdom for most of the last two or three thousand years. A thousand years ago it actually controlled a large part of what is now China.
The dalai lama doesn't even want independence.
Of course he does. But he knows China would destroy Tibet rather than grant it. He's no fool. Asking for that would just give China another stick to beat him with.
China is wiping out Tibetan culture at a fast pace, the only leverage the Tibetans have is international pressure, and in the Olympic year China cannot simply ignore it as it would do normally. They have little hope of success, but this is their last chance before their country is swamped by Chinese immigration and they become fringe slum dwellers in their own land.
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Source? Authority? -- can I suggest this is a Chinese version of history. China has a habit of claiming sovereignty over much of the world. Everybody who sent an envoy to Peking was considered to be a "vassal".
And in any case, once a country becomes independent, as you admit happened in 1904, the foreign imperial power can't just say 50 years later "We want it back". Or should Mongolia claim the right to rule China because they conquered it once? Can Japan claim Manchuria a
It's a Buddhist phrase (and philosophy) (Score:2, Informative)
Dalai Lama wants win-win situation (Score:5, Informative)
Despite what the Chinese have done to *his* country: the rape, murder, and willful and blatant destruction of the institutions most precious to Tibetan people, the Dalai Lama does not see independence from China as possible because he recognizes a hard case when he sees it.
The Chinese constitution guarantees some sort of autonomy, and within autonomy there is no reason why the Tibetan people can not move forward and have some sort of normal existence. The Dalai Lama sees that as a win-win situation. Tibetans get to live unoppressed, and the Han Chinese can still say to themselves proudly "Look, Tibet is ours!".
So the Dalai Lama is more concerned with the livelihood of his people than reptilian territoriality. China has placed such a pathetically small value on human life, that I'm sure they struggle with that concept. Sad really.
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Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:5, Insightful)
Money, money, money
always sunny
in the rich man's world...
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/not holding breath.
GGW (Score:3, Funny)
Fuck China. I'll take porn over capitalism any day (Score:2)
long live Tor (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:long live Tor (Score:5, Interesting)
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Jin
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It should also be noted... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Its still the Chinese government.
The alternative is they allow all videos and get blocked in a millisecond.
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Might as well put up a friendly message than let it be blocked.
The net result is the same either way.
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A look at the API data [youtube.com] reveals that it is the same mechanism used for music videos. I believe these restrictions have been in place for a while now, I believe some Canadians were complaining about not being able to watch some music video links last year (perhaps posters actually in Canada or another blocked country could clarify?). As mentioned in the blog po
Psiphon (Score:2, Informative)
Set up a Psiphon node.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon [wikipedia.org]
Everyone Says "Fuck China" (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is this modded down? (Score:2)
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Everything else was made in China.
Proof that rule by a few elite results in stupidty (Score:5, Interesting)
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Hero (Score:4, Insightful)
That being said, China is fskced. I've met some native Chinese who came here to go to school, and the propaganda they carry with them is unreal. "One China" anybody? That freaky film, "Hero" canonizing a butcher pretty much sums that one up. And I've met people who have lived here for over a decade who still hunch up and look frightened when you ask them what they think of the Chinese government. Like abuse victims. I guess the truncheons haven't fully come out yet in the U.S., and real information is still being controlled through ridicule rather than simply being locked down.
I've heard the U.S. described as the largest social experiment on the planet; the objective being to see if it is possible to fully control people without the use of force. Kind of like a beef farmer letting their cattle think they're living happy, free lives when in fact almost every thought and decision is dictated.
-FL
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Surely the natives suspects something? (Score:2)
Pure speculation without base (Score:2, Informative)
Spread a little thought-provoking happiness (Score:3, Interesting)
This [phayul.com] one's certainly blocked since it belongs to exiled Tibetans' domain which has for years been under heavy attacks by the CCP's electronic warfare corps.
Since the biggest problem with China is that the masses simply don't know anything else other than the "information" managed by the Party's Ministry of Propaganda, it is imperative that the West begins to pay more attention to the right of the Chinese people to access news sources outside their regime's control. It'd be a start if the US and the EU would not just approve of but actually promote the creation of peer-to-peer filesharing and streaming sites. Strangely, most of the current p2p streaming sites seem to operate from China and Taiwan, but they're strictly centered around "harmless" stuff like sports, entertainment and local dramas without a whiff of anything resembling social or political content.
knowledge begets knowledge.... (Score:3, Interesting)
I find it interesting that it appears that most of the sites that point to pages that were installed on my site without my knowledge (just under 2500 pages), are Chinese in origin.
google "threeseas.net" then google 'threeseas
It seems the Chinese people are bored and have taken up internet hacking for censorship as a hobby. And hey, even their government is doing it.
What are the effects such hacking has thru AUTOMATED crawlers and AUTOMATED analysis of search engines like google?
Watch as google finds more and more of these pages "not found" on my site (as I have removed them and redirected all hits to those pages) and google finds redirection.... to eventually reduce my legitimate listing in their search results.
Imagine that, Chinese site hacking reducing search results of sites in other countries for the citizens of other countries.
Google and other search engine companies have things they really need to deal with regarding such indirect manipulation of their automated systems.
Until they get a better handle on it, there are far bigger and wider scope issues regarding Chinese censorship then what the article is about.
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Re:Fuck china (Score:5, Funny)
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When your whole neighborhood can be flattened with one rocket, it's kind of hard to do much. I seem to recall reports of our late unlamented friend Saddam using chemical weapons against rebels. How do you fight against that kind of thing being used a
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Oddly enough, a number of countries may pull out for a different reason; China is playing games with the pollution levels there. Several of the world top runners have announced that they will either not run the long races, or will not be in china a
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