FAA Mandates Major Aircraft "Black Box" Upgrade 277
coondoggie writes "Earlier this week the FAA mandated upgrades and updates to aircraft voice and data recorders within the US. The goal of the updates: to assist future investigations with 'more and better data' from accidents and incidents. The 'mandate means manufacturers such as Honeywell and L-3 Communications as well as operators of airplanes and helicopters with 10 or more seats, must employ voice recorders, also known as black boxes, that capture the last two hours of cockpit audio instead of the current 15 to 30 minutes. The new rules also require an independent backup power source for the voice recorders to allow continued recording for nine to 11 minutes if all aircraft power sources are lost or interrupted. Voice recorders also must use solid state technology instead of magnetic tape, which is vulnerable to damage and loss of reliability.'"
You'd think (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:5, Interesting)
In addition, every component must survive the severe stresses involved in a plane crash. The severe acceleration can cause large components to get ripped off their solder points. The device will likely be cooked to several hundred degrees as the plane burns around it, so all the components need to survive that (electrolytic capacitors will explode well before that). Heck, if the plane spontaneously breaks apart on a trans-Pacific flight, the box gets cooled to the outside air temperature of around -50 C before slamming into the ocean at high speed. Let's see your music player take that and survive. And I hope whatever software running the thing wrote the data out cleanly before everything went to hell, because if any of those stresses caused a hardware glitch that overwrites or erases the log, you get to tell the FAA that you really don't know why that plane crashed. Oops.
Re:Solid State is vulnerable to damage as well (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:3, Interesting)
Question: why just record? (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's a question that's been gnawing at me for a while... why is the "black box" just a recorder? I'd think of this question every time I heard that there's been an accident and the black box had not been found. OR, that they found the box but it was too badly damaged to make out all the data. Is this still a problem?
If a black box (BB) senses an anomalous event, why couldn't it transmit a [compressed] copy of the recorded data? Or, even better, besides recording it all, transmit all the data all the time. Maybe not to the airline, but to you at L3 Aviation Recorders, perhaps? With the recent talk about providing in-flight internet access, I could see this happening sooner or later.
Without internet access, just have a reserved frequency to transmit on. If transmit time becomes an issue, use multiple frequencies and transmit on each one of them in parallel.
I can't imagine I'm the first to think of this, so what am I missing here? Could it be it is only now that we could conceivably do this?
FAA Looking To Make Money From Fines (Score:2, Interesting)
From TFA
As I recall, this is 2008, all year long.
Yeah, good luck with that. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not saying you couldn't build a solid-state flight recorder that could survive most conceivable crashes, but surely tape and solid-state should be viewed as complementary technologies - current, perhaps improved magnetic recorders for the current timeframes (so you've got at least the last half hour on something you can piece together and pull an analog signal off, if need be) and the whole flight on an ever-improving series of solid-state recorders that would have to consider mil-spec as a starting point for where they need to head.
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:3, Interesting)
I beg to argue that older technologies have stood the test of time compared to our modern works which last two years or less.
I would be far more interested in a black box that works reliably, even with some moderate internal hardware failures.
I should also note, the regular nintendo we've been using is split in half and missing a large chunk. The gamecube could be mistaken for new.
Re:Question: why just record? (Score:3, Interesting)
The key is that it is non-jeopardy, otherwise the pilots wouldn't speak candidly about the situation and what led them into it, and you might get little or no clue as to what was actually occurring. We call it FOQA [wikipedia.org], and I'm sure various others have thier own names...
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:4, Interesting)
as a amateur pilot it blows my mind that a commercial pilot would freak out about such a failure and continue to throttle up. You have a large number of other indicators you can use. Even in pitch black night and thick fog you have some indicators they teach you in flight school to make it so you dont hit the ground at full throttle.
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:3, Interesting)
There is no regard for security in air transportation. LAPA 3142 was completely destroyed after aborting takeoff, hitting the fence at the end of the runway, crossing over a busy highway (crushing a Chrysler Neon on its way) and finally crashing into a gas thing. Yes: the runway points straight into a highway and in the middle there are underground gasoline and gas pipes.
In the movies "Fuerza Area S.A." (Air Force Inc.) and "Whiskey Romeo Zulu" (LAPA 3142 was LV-WRZ), former LAPA pilot Enrique Piñeyro explains the causes of both accidents and the situation of aviation in Argentina. Fuerza Aerea is a documentary, WRZ is a movie (based on the true story).
Now, take both movies with a grain of salt: Piñeyro, as a pilot, tries to defend other pilots. But I, personally, think that if you're not trained to fly in other-than-ideal conditions, or if you don't know what to do when alarms flash, you should not fly. The same if planes are not in condition (in LV-WRZ, Piñeyro asks the maintenance staff about the engine fire extinguishers (IIRC), and the guy tells him "Just fly carefully"). But pilots never went on strike or anything. Piñeyro justifies everything on the fact that "pilots didn't receive adequate training" and "airplanes were not in 100% condition". And he gets angry when people call it a "Pilot Error" (just listen to LAPA 3142 CVR, you'll hear "beep beep beep beep
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It sounds so easy but (Score:3, Interesting)
During all of this, he's been consulting with the guy who runs the environmental test lab, who probably has more experience in what really happens in the tests - what tends to fail, and what tends to work (in a flight data recorder, I'd be worried about the ingress/egress points of signals - ditto the "memory block") - connectors tend to shear. Moving parts are "bad" (hence the FAA wanting to get rid of magnetic tape, with it's motors etc)
Your environmental test guy then either takes the prototype/early production unit to his lab, and beats on it per the spec, or, more likelike for prototype acceptance testing, calls one of the dozen or so places around the country (such as http://www.daytontbrown.com/ [daytontbrown.com] Dayton T Brown or http://www.aeco.com/ [aeco.com] American Environments (Both on Long Island due to the fact that there used to be 2 Airplane Mfgs here, plus a lot of electronics companies), and you have THEM do the testing for the spec. BTW Your test guy and your ME will probably work with your internal machine shop to build the mechanical test fixtures, and an the test guy will work with the EE and the prototype wiring shop to build the electrical test fixtures - so that all these fistures survive the testing environment
While it not "simple" or "every day", it IS almost routine. I probably used to put something through some sort of acceptance test 1-2 times/year (and tests could take weeks to months). Sometimes things don't work - and it's back to the ME/EE and saying "OK, here is what failed" - and why - and doing a re-design