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Military Steps Up War On Blogs 338

An anonymous reader writes "The military's war on blogs, first reported last spring, is picking up. Now the Air Force is tightening restrictions on which blogs its troops can read. One senior Air Force official calls the squeeze so 'utterly stupid, it makes me want to scream.'"
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Military Steps Up War On Blogs

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  • Land of the Free. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by headkase ( 533448 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:33PM (#22592532)
    It's ironic that in the "Land of the Free" by joining the organization tasked with defending it you lose your Freedom to virtually congregate and by extension freedom of thought among peers.
  • by e03179 ( 578506 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:35PM (#22592546) Homepage
    How many hundreds of hours of training do warfighters get on the operation and maintenance of their M16 rifle?

    How many hours of training do they get on the topics of personal publishing, viral marketing, and information security awareness in today's age of instant global communication?

  • Vietnam lessons (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KublaiKhan ( 522918 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:41PM (#22592608) Homepage Journal
    Looks like they learned something from Vietnam after all.

    The American public is very happy to support war so long as 'war' is sort of an abstract thing happening "over there". They're more than happy to 'support the troops' and make grand speeches about the trials and tribulations and the suffering of "our boys overseas"--so long as they don't -see- it.

    Once any given generation -sees- the dirty, bloody, nasty physical reality of war--the coffins coming home, the frontline reports with people getting blown up on camera, the interviews with the troops who have been worn down by months of stress--they stop supporting the 'cause' and start making ugly noises about bringing the troops home.

    So they started with disguising the casualties--excluding people from photographing the coffins. No highly visible casualties? Then any losses are, for everyone outside the families--families that are, by and large, "in" the establishment itself (base housing and that sort of thing)--abstract. Just numbers.

    Then quietly weed out the embedded reporters. Reasons of security, you know. Have to make sure the press stays 'safe'.

    And now making sure that there's as little other information exchange between the armed services and the outside world as possible.

    It's all to be expected, really.
  • Quick correction (Score:5, Insightful)

    by keineobachtubersie ( 1244154 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:50PM (#22592708)
    "you give away your Freedom to virtually congregate and by extension freedom of thought among peers."

    The distinction is important, and not just semantically.

    And I can't figure out how you think they're losing "freedom of thought", as far as I'm aware, the military has no way to know what you're thinking (I hope...) so that part of your post really doesn't make any sense.

  • by nickhart ( 1009937 ) <nickhart@nOsPam.gmail.com> on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:52PM (#22592732) Homepage

    Soldiers should form a union. The military treats them like garbage--they have no rights, inadequate health care, often inadequate equipment and are forced to perform immoral and illegal acts. When caught, it is *they* who go on trial and not the civilian and military leaders who ordered the crimes.

    I'm sure plenty of people will argue that they shouldn't have a union because it will hurt "readiness" or something like that. After all, we need unquestioning killers to defend America, right? Wrong. I can't recall the last time the US military was actually used to defend America. Instead it is used around the globe to oppress and kill, and it only benefits our wealthy rulers to have their unquestioned obedience. If it actually came to defending the US from an invasion, the soldiers would have every reason to step up and defend their country. (But seriously, we spend more on our military than the entire rest of the world combined. What military would invade us?)

    The Viet Nam war was ended because soldiers organized and refused to continue fighting the war. Already active-duty soldiers and veterans are organizing against the current wars [ivaw.org]. They deserve our support, and hopefully someday GI's will have some rights and real say in military policy.

  • Blogs!=News (Score:4, Insightful)

    by the computer guy nex ( 916959 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:56PM (#22592784)
    I can't read blogs, myspace, or facebook at work either. This is far from censorship.
  • by Lord Pillage ( 815466 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:00PM (#22592836)
    Or even.... SLASHDOT!!! Let's see how many nerd deserters there are gonna be.
  • by headkase ( 533448 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:01PM (#22592854)
    Because it was based on the summary alone I wish my response was better. As to Freedom of Thought, original thinking is the exception not the rule when it comes to interacting with complex situations. We let others preprocess the minutae into various interpretations and then like chinese food we choose a little from column A and a bit from column B. So by limiting the opinions someone is exposed to then you are also limiting the opinions they can build off of the exposure or in effect censuring how their thought process' could have developed.
  • by Shivetya ( 243324 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:02PM (#22592868) Homepage Journal
    and repercussions for going over the line.

    I think the important part is that people forget that when you join the military (ex Air Force here) you give up a lot of your rights. You do so willingly. You do so with the expectation that it is for the common good. Don't take this as an ego trip, but for me today's soldiers are the people I look up to. To willfully put yourself in harms way in support of others, the majority of which will never know your sacrifice, is to be a true hero. Not some insipid hollyweird starlet, some sports player, or the latest American idol. These soldiers are of the same stock as firemen and policeman. They step up so the rest of us don't have to. Yet we don't always respect their contribution or what they give up. Some of them might not fully understand the later but I put this as coming from a society of entitlement viewpoint that comes to a screeching halt when you join.

    So while I do not find too much wrong in limiting what they can say, especially with the fact that enemy of the day has near instant access to it, I think it does deserve a good amount of thought before it goes too far into restrictive. I know my friends letters from the first Desert Storm were monitored but that was easy to do, all mail went through the military. With the internet a big exposure is created and any attempt to close it appears as an affront. It is, but its one voluntarily entered. The military cannot afford to be all open and exposed. It doesn't work well in that environment. A good military works best when it can control the variables. There are some it can and this is one area where it can do something. Your there to do a job and the people around you don't need extra risk because you slipped up.
  • by copponex ( 13876 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:04PM (#22592896) Homepage
    This has never been the Land of the Free. There's always exceptions. People have fought and died to free Native Americans, blacks, women, immigrants, all of whom live inside the United States. We haven't had true equality among our own citizens - and I mean, in a purely legal capacity - until the 70s. Even now, Native American reservations aren't truly sovereign, as they are supposed to be.

    Anyone who thinks the American military gives a shit about anyone's rights hasn't been paying attention. These are the same guys (currently, this is literal - half of the executive branch are old white men from the Reagan administration) who sold weapons to a sworn enemy during wartime in order to fund right-wing guerrillas who were busy raping and murdering everyone from indigenous people to other Americans daring to raise awareness about the genocide. (Read about Dianna Ortiz - she was a nun who was abducted, tortured, and gang-raped for twenty four hours at the direction of the CIA).

    Hell, look at Palestine. We hem and haw about freedom, but if we don't like who you elect, we try to economically sabotage and militarily exterminate the new government. This has been consistent US policy since the 50s. (Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Argentina, Ecuador, Panama...) America isn't much better than the British Empire was in the 1700s. We just have a much better PR department. By the way, who's suspending habeas corpus now? Oh, that's right...

    In short, America does not give a fuck about freedom. We care that you do what you're told. That's why Saddam Hussein is underground and the King of Saudi Arabia is making out with our president in Texas.

  • by nickhart ( 1009937 ) <nickhart@nOsPam.gmail.com> on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:16PM (#22593028) Homepage

    Neither Clinton nor Obama are promising single payer health care. They both propose half-assed privately run plans which ensure the for-profit health care industry remains intact. Their plans will do little to move us toward a genuine national health care system. Hardly surprising considering the vast sums of money they both receive from the industry.

  • Re:Vietnam lessons (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mister Whirly ( 964219 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:20PM (#22593074) Homepage
    Exactly. If there is one thing the armed forces learned from Vietnam it is control the information given out by the press. I remember a general's response to the question of why dead bodies and such were not allowed to be shown in the US was something like "If we let the public see what was really happening, to see dead bodies and destruction, they would never support the war."
    To me it sounded like the best reason FOR showing the pictures.
  • by LoofWaffle ( 976969 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:26PM (#22593144)
    They've "disappeared" because it is far less newsworthy to see the military perform its daily peacekeeping mission than it is to see who got cut from American Idol. Personally, I'm glad there are fewer battlefield correspondents because out military has a hard enough time looking out for themselves, let alone civilians trying to capture the most sensational camera angle. As for being able to handle the truth, the answer is 'no' we can't, which is why we find solace in who got cut from American Idol.
  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:34PM (#22593232)
    Too bad you posted AC, but I served 26 years in the AF (retired last year) and will happily confirm everything you posted. What civilians don't get is how mellow the AF life really is. BFD if they filter a few sites or snivel about blog posts.
    If you are going to post controversial shit you just omit your name and rank so it does not appear to have AF sanction.
  • Re:Blogs!=News (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Rampantbaboon ( 946107 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:34PM (#22593234)
    Right, but you can go home and spend your downtime browsing whatever the hell you'd like. Imagine if to be employed with your company they required that you use their filter for every internet connection you have. And if you don't want to abide by that, you're guilty of a crime. We can't get streaming media at work, but I loves me the youtubes at night.
  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@yahoGINSBERGo.com minus poet> on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:35PM (#22593248) Homepage Journal
    If something is truly a right, an inalienable right, then it cannot be given, taken or surrendered. Those things that are given or taken are called privileges. A parent can grant or withdraw privileges from their children, for example, but cannot withdraw those children's rights. (Thus, countries that withdraw privileges are quite literally "nanny states".)

    The question is, is free speech actually a right or is it merely a privilege that the privileged are granted? If it is the former, then that is absolute and inviolate. There's no two ways about it. If it is the latter, then yes, certain jobs may withdraw certain privileges that would be granted to others.

    What you can't have is it both ways. I honestly don't care which American society wants to define it as being, as it is using an ambiguous interpretation that is far too often more about convenience than about standards in life. Less ambiguity, even if more restrictive, can't be any worse.

  • plenty of those offenses are lame (marijuana should be legal of course), but i think chinese and russians would complain about too many criminals running around the streets due to corruption and laziness, not celebrating their vast freedoms as compared to the usa

  • by keineobachtubersie ( 1244154 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:48PM (#22593398)
    "As the article notes, that's more prisoners per capita than Russia or China"

    I'm not sure referencing two notoriously lawless countries makes the point you think it does.
  • by trolltalk.com ( 1108067 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:49PM (#22593426) Homepage Journal

    Yeah, because if it's on the Intertubes, you know it's from a reliable, knowledgeable source.

    If you can't trust your GIs to read a blog and make up their own minds, you have bigger problems ...

    Troops listened to Tokyo Rose [wikipedia.org] during WW2 - it didn't change the outcome.

  • by goldspider ( 445116 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:59PM (#22593568) Homepage
    I think our GIs have better things to spend their time on than trying to distill truth from the "facts" vomited by malcontents and partisan hacks.
  • by Mr. Slippery ( 47854 ) <.tms. .at. .infamous.net.> on Thursday February 28, 2008 @06:07PM (#22593682) Homepage

    To willfully put yourself in harms way in support of others, the majority of which will never know your sacrifice, is to be a true hero.

    That depends on what "others" one is supporting, now, doesn't it?

    To put yourself in harm's way in support of innocent people, to defend them against aggression, is indeed heroic.

    To put yourself in harm's way to carry out an aggression in support of someone's political or economic interests is to be at best a sucker who mistakenly thinks he's supporting innocents, and at worst a villain who knows exactly what he's doing.

    Determining which of these characterizations better fits military enlistees is left as an exercise for the reader. But certainly censoring information received by any group makes it easier to keep them suckers, doesn't it?

  • by tuba_dude ( 584287 ) <tuba.terry@gmail.com> on Thursday February 28, 2008 @06:28PM (#22593932) Homepage Journal
    Exactly! We don't need to distill truth! That's why we have Fox News playing on every TV in every common area all over base. You can watch "facts" while you're eating, working out, smoking, taking a dump, seeing the dentist, or even while you're doing discharge paperwork regarding that arm you just lost.
  • by idontgno ( 624372 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @06:32PM (#22593972) Journal

    I think our GIs have better things to spend their time on than trying to distill truth from the "facts" vomited by malcontents and partisan hacks.

    I agree wholeheartedly! That's why I wonder why those [nytimes.com] "malcontents" [foxnews.com] and "partisan [msn.com] hacks" [cnn.com] aren't being blocked, just honest bloggers.

  • by undercanopy ( 565001 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @06:32PM (#22593978)
    and you apparently only read far enough into the summary to see the 10 month old article that was put there for reference. The rest of the summary talks about how things are getting even more restrictive, and even provides a handy link [wired.com]

    Here's just one of the many relevant pieces from the article:

    The Air Force is tightening restrictions on which blogs its troops can read, cutting off access to just about any independent site with the word "blog" in its web address.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 28, 2008 @06:41PM (#22594094)
    OR...it's a worn out joke that's even more tired than the previous 25 times it was used. Bashing Bush went out of style years ago, we all know his entire administration is full of douchebags, whatever...get over it
  • by copponex ( 13876 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @06:50PM (#22594224) Homepage
    I can't even scream this loudly enough if you were here in person. China is a communist dictatorship which I have no control over. Russia is a pseudo-democratic dictatorship that I have no control over. When my government is doing evil, I complain bitterly about it. What good does bitching about China or Iran do? Absolutely nothing! Which is the only thing these so called pundits and reporters do - bitch about things that we cannot control, while ignoring the fact that WE have a part to play in our own destiny.

    Vile regimes? How about Saudi Arabia? How about Pakistan? How about our One China policy? You completely missed the point of my first post. America does not care if you're a vile regime, as long as you do what we tell you to do. That's why Saddam had our public support - we removed him from our Terrorist States list in the early 80s so we could sell him weapons. Weapons which he used to exterminate hundreds of thousands of people, which didn't bother us in the slightest. Like the slaughter of the people of East Timor, also in the hundreds of thousands, didn't even cause us to stop selling weapons to Indonesia.

    You are paying attention to the smoke and the mirrors, and not the real issues. This is not a pissing contest. This is a matter of injustice, and what we can do about it. So, if saying that the US is as good as Russia helps you sleep at night, by all means, get back in front of the TV and tuck in. Celebrate your freedom by doing fuck all. Trust the government. Ignore the fact that the president today is asking the public to provide immunity to telcos to spy on the public. Ignore the blood in the streets in Baghdad. Ignore the cries of injustice in the inner city. Ignore the fact that we spend more money on the military than any other expenditure in our budget, and more than any other country by any measurement (per capita, GDP, whatever.)

    The sad thing is, you are the perfect American citizen. Because you are listless, thoughtless, you follow orders, and you ask no questions. If this sounds familiar to communist ideals, perhaps that should be alarming?
  • Re:Vietnam lessons (Score:2, Insightful)

    by PRDS ( 1009871 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @07:10PM (#22594492)
    To me, it makes sense to block these sites for the sake of OPSEC. If I post on a blog saying "6 B-52s are flying into Lajes Field tomorrow" that is an OPSEC indicator that could be used, along with other information, to piece together what a mission is possibly going to entail. It may give an enemy [who also use this "internet" thing BTW] a picture into operations. Its easy enough to get information in our modern world, and the last thing they need is help from insiders, who eagerly and innocently, who want to talk about the "cool thing that happened at work today". Any other reason doesn't make any sense to me.
  • by morari ( 1080535 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @07:12PM (#22594512) Journal

    Well, from what I have heard (and I would like to emphasize this is just what I heard) quite a large number of recruits only join for lack of any other viable options in life.
    This is true. This is also why the large majority of recruits are some of the least educated, and come from lower class demographics. People that have a chance in life and plan to do something with themselves aren't as willing to give it away to line the pockets of politicians. It's ironic really, that they citizens most abused by the government are almost always the very ones tricked into defending it with their own blood.
  • Free speech (Score:4, Insightful)

    by spyder-implee ( 864295 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @07:27PM (#22594704)
    Way to go, take away rights from the people who are fighting to protect them.
  • Re:Vietnam lessons (Score:3, Insightful)

    by baboo_jackal ( 1021741 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @08:02PM (#22595044)

    The American public is very happy to support war so long as 'war' is sort of an abstract thing happening "over there". They're more than happy to 'support the troops' and make grand speeches about the trials and tribulations and the suffering of "our boys overseas"--so long as they don't -see- ... the dirty, bloody, nasty physical reality of war.

    And that's why the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen who willingly volunteer to fight the wars that preserve our right to dissent and protest ought to be lauded as heroes. If you're one of those reprehensible citizens who choose to impugn them by calling them stupid, ignorant, or whatever makes you feel better about yourself for simultaneously enjoying something and also stating that the manner in which it's provided is horrible, the nagging feeling that keeps you up at night is the truth that those "stupid" "uneducated" "ignorant" fools possess courage, integrity, and a sense of duty that you lack.
  • Re:Free speech (Score:3, Insightful)

    by autocracy ( 192714 ) <slashdot2007@sto ... .com minus berry> on Thursday February 28, 2008 @09:15PM (#22595632) Homepage
    Some things that are nothing new may yet be nothing appropriate.
  • by uhlume ( 597871 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @10:35PM (#22596278) Homepage
    What you call "worn out", I call "tacit acceptance". The day the Bush administration steps down from office is the day commentary, satirical or otherwise, on their actions and policies will become effectively moot — and not a day sooner. Should their actions really go unchallenged for the next ten months because everyone knows they're "douchebags", and is tired of hearing about it?
  • by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Thursday February 28, 2008 @11:23PM (#22596666) Homepage
    The cause of the violence is people who have control over the U.S. government wanting to make a profit. I don't have time now to give a lot of links, but there are some below.

    What started the violence between the U.S. government and Arabs was the U.S. government, not the Arabs. Having the U.S. taxpayer pay for violence to make a profit works only because most voters don't know the history of U.S. government action.

    See, for example, Coups Arranged or Backed by the USA [krysstal.com]. Most or all of that corruption happened for profit, such as kickbacks of U.S. government foreign aid. When the governments of Israel or Pakistan buy weapons from U.S. manufacturers using money from "foreign aid", that is embezzlement of taxpayer money.

    For one example of profiting from violence, read How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power [guardian.co.uk] or Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed: Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor [rense.com].

    Apparently Slashdot editors agree with at least some of this, because now and for the last 2 months or more, this has been on the main Slashdot page, on the right, under Book Reviews: "The Creature from Jekyll Island [amazon.com] is a compelling look at the history of the Federal Reserve system and asks if it's a system that has run it's course. (Michael J. Ross's review [slashdot.org])"

    "The Creature from Jekyll Island" discusses how the U.S. monetary system is manipulated by rich and powerful people for their own profit. It says that wars are started for profit.

    The Cooperative Research History Commons [cooperativeresearch.org] is very valuable for those wanting to do their own research.

    The poorly edited but very interesting free movie Zeitgeist [zeitgeistmovie.com] explains in three parts that 1) People who believe in myths are easily manipulated. 2) It is common that people are manipulated through fear. 3) The U.S. monetary system is controlled for the profit of a few individuals. (Note that the movie used respected sources for the first part which were later shown to be somewhat in error. The underlying issues are correct, however.)

    When you talk about U.S. government action, don't say "we". Whoever does the secret decision making would kill you and your family if they thought you would cause trouble for them.

    When people try to calculate the total number the U.S. government killed, they arrive at figures like perhaps 3 million killed directly since the end of the 2nd world war, and perhaps 8 to 11 million total if the people killed by the destabilization the U.S. government caused are also included, not including the people killed in Iraq. Partly the killing happened as a result of the U.S. government invading or bombing 25 countries.
  • by lessthan ( 977374 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:34PM (#22604688)
    I'm sorry but people who claim that military discipline took away their ability to think are weak. I'm not saying that certain slimy elements in the military don't value mindlessness, but anyone who can't maintain a sense of self for a maximum of three months didn't have it to begin with. Saying that the military made them kill people is just a way for them to shift the blame, because they can't handle what they've done. Getting out was always an option. A simple trip to the chaplain or a threat of suicide would have done the job. If they were having problems with what they were doing, they could have left. They joined an organization that has only one purpose, killing the enemy. Why'd they join, if not to kill? (Although, I must admit that the military is full of people convinced that they'd never go to war. Idiots.)


    While the idea is anathema to you, the military works on a fundamental sort of trust. A trust that believes, "These people need to die, because they will hurt others." If you want to rail against someone, go for this government which has abused that trust so callously. Protest a government who has taken the idealism of at least three generations and drowned it in the sand and mud and blistering heat.

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