Finnish Censorship Expanding 196
Thomas Nybergh lets us know about the secret list maintained by the Finnish National Bureau of Investigation, containing an estimated 1,700 foreign "child pornography'" sites. These are mostly in the US and the EU, and certainly not all of them contain child porn or even links to it. Finnish ISPs are required by law to block access to sites on the list, according to The Register. Finland's EFF has information about the block list, which reportedly includes a musical instrument store, a doll store, and a site of Windows tips in Thai. Recently added to the list — which by law should contain only child pornography sites — is the text-only site of a Finnish free-speech advocate who criticizes the censorship law. Evading the ISPs' block is trivial, of course.
Foriegners (Score:4, Informative)
Not "required" by the law (Score:5, Informative)
"Finnish ISPs are required by law to block access to sites on the list, according to The Register"
Actually, The Register doesn't say this. There exists a law specifically crafted due to this child porn censorship program, but it technically doesn't mandate ISPs into participating to the censorship. Well, except for the fact that the people behind the law have made public statements that if voluntary "self-regulation" isn't enough, then there will be such a law. So, it's not exactly voluntary when the ISPs are being threatened, but technically they can claim it's not required by the law...
Anyway, regarding the free speech advocate who has gotten his site censored, that's me. I've written a little bit of text in English about my page and the situation [lapsiporno.info].
Re:Good idea (Score:1, Informative)
A person should use good cleaning programs like Clean Disk Security and Tracks Eraser Pro to ensure items in his cache, history, index files, etc., will be wiped away and unrecoverable.
It's on the DNS Level (Score:5, Informative)
Most are US based, 20+ Porn Actresses! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:An extrovert Finn (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not "required" by the law (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Not "required" by the law (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/krp/home.nsf/pages/indexeng [poliisi.fi]
(Already moderated therefore anonymous)
Re:Timecops??? (Score:4, Informative)
> Oh my god! I time-travelled 2 days in the future? Or maybe Finland is on GMT+42?
The date is accurate for the questioning, the news just travels so fast that the actual questioning hasn't happened yet. They sent the "invitation" last friday (15th), and it arrived in mail this monday (18th). I got a prior notice about it through email though.
The checked list (Score:1, Informative)
The tags used are explained more thoroughly in Finnish, but luckily they seem pretty self-explanatory for us internetizens. If you can't be bothered to check, it shows that only nine of the 1047 listed sites definitely have child pornography on them.
Re:A disgrace to Finland (Score:4, Informative)
BTW. the MP's I wrote to are: Markku Laukkanen, Raimo Vistbacka, Saara Karhu, Erkki Pulliainen and Mikko Alatalo. here [eduskunta.fi] you can read the comments those people made during the first hearing on the new legislation. Another person to write to could be Sari Essayah, who supported the legislation here [eduskunta.fi] (what else can you expect from a fundie?). It should also be noted that Jyrki Kasvi strongly opposed the legislation.
Make your voice heard. And know who to vote.
Re:Norway has the same kind of list (Score:3, Informative)
Here's a partial list for Norway: http://lapsiporno.info/blocked.nextgentel [lapsiporno.info]
Heck, here's one for Sweden, too: http://lapsiporno.info/blocked.glocalnet [lapsiporno.info]
And now that I'm at it, Denmark: http://lapsiporno.info/blocked.cybercity [lapsiporno.info]
Also, it might be just a matter of time until Finnish Police tries to push my site into lists of other countries too.
Not true! (Score:2, Informative)
Finnish ISPs are required by law to block access to sites on the list, according to The Register.
This is not true, rather quite the opposite. There is no requirement for the ISP's to add the block list, but for some strange reason most of them still do.
Re:A disgrace to Finland (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Informative)
Even with caching disabled, you'd have to temporarily possess it if you viewed it. Has there been a court case that ruled this legal - and by that, I don't mean an accidental viewer, but someone who intentionally went to view the site?
(Here in the UK, downloading is considered making child porn - you're "making" another copy - and hence it is punished worse than simple possession...)
ISP Filtering status (Score:2, Informative)
Also see http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/+/1135234066254
Re:A disgrace to Finland (Score:2, Informative)
The Netherlands and Finland are the only two countries in the world where judges aren't able to rule on the constitutionality of laws(strict trias politica). So yes, they can pass a bill that violates your constitution.
Re:The checked list (Score:1, Informative)
The court also ruled that children engaged in sex is not illegal if said children are legally married (i.e. 16 or 17 year olds married young).
And the person viewing said photos is a victim, not a criminal. Only the photographer/producer/distributor is a criminal.