US Set to Use Spy Satellites on US Citizens 513
duerra writes "A plan to use U.S. spy satellites for domestic security and law-enforcement missions is moving forward after being delayed for months because of privacy and civil liberties concerns. The plan is in the final stage of completion, according to a department official who requested anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly about it. While some internal agencies have had access to spy satellite imagery for purposes such as assisting after a natural disaster, this would be the first time law-enforcement would be able to obtain a warrant and request access to satellite imagery."
W00t. 1st post (Score:1, Interesting)
Well, not exactly the first time. (Score:3, Interesting)
FEMA MAC (Score:5, Interesting)
Get it right. The "internal agencies" is FEMA. See:
http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/ [fema.gov]
The GIS specialists don't have direct access to classified data but instead are given polygons of requested data which is based on those satellite images. Only the military, NSA, Other Security Agency has access to the output of the sats directly.
War on America (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Oblig. (Score:2, Interesting)
I predict that WW3 will be in about 15 years. We'll call it the Freedom Suppression War, the one where the corporations & elites remove whats left of out rights. Just like Terminator, Matrix but with humans ruling over other humans.
Anyone know John Connor or Thomas Anderson?
And yet, the ISS gets a budget cut... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:It's of no consequence (Score:5, Interesting)
Wow....all hail the Second Coming. Messiah Obama. He will magically rescue us from all our ills...
Look, I love the guy, and he is heads above anyone else in this race. But don't think for a second that he's going to represent some wholesale shift in government policies. He'll be corrupted and compromised, at least to some extent, by the realities of D.C. culture and by those who wield the real power. (Hint: it's not in the White House. Think big bureaucracies with three initials. Not to mention nine people in ugly black robes.) Once power is obtained, those who yield it tend to be quite reluctant to let go of it.
Will we be better off under an Obama presidency? Hell yes, no doubt. Will all government corruption and Constitution-gutting cease? When pigs fly. It's always about choosing the lesser of the evils.
Two movies come to mind (Score:4, Interesting)
Many things have become true, or look like they'll become true after 911.
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Re:I am a member of the US Intel community. (Score:5, Interesting)
First, let me thank you for your service to our country. I am sure that you folks "in the trenches" are hard-working, honest individuals, and as patriotic as any one of us could hope to be. With that said, I urge you not to take it personally when I say: "WE DON'T WANT YOUR HELP."
There are bad things in the world. I recognize that, and I am glad to hear that there are people like you working to keep me safe from those things. Surly you must realize, however, that no matter what you and the rest of our government do, some element of danger will still exist... but in the process, we are being stripped of the very freedoms that we as Americans used to hold absolutely sacred.
Look at it like this: I have an 18-month-old son. My wife and I made sure when he started crawling that we had those safety plugs in floor-level outlets, we put some cabinet locks on the cupboards with the dangerous substances, and we put gates across the stairwells. We did these things because there are real dangers around our house that we can very easily mitigate. Of course, there are also dangers that are harder to deal with -- for example, he could fall off the sofa (and has). Does this mean we should get rid of all the furniture, because he could fall off? Maybe we should just take the furniture out of his room, and keep him in there 23 hours out of the day. Perhaps some form of restraints?
Obviously, I can't make the world perfectly safe for my son. My job as a parent, then, is to try to strike that balance between keeping him reasonably safe and giving him the freedom to learn and grow. Similarly, it's the job of the government to keep myself and the rest of the American citizenry reasonably safe, while still giving us the freedoms we value so much.
This administration, in my and many others' minds, has crossed far past that balance point. The safety this sort of program would grant is certainly a good thing, but the cost is just too high. Thanks, but no thanks.
What about Google Earth, you OK with that too? (Score:5, Interesting)
For that, we volunteer all kinds of information, because it's not The Man(tm).
At least the government is still trying to convince detractors of this program that they'll ask for warrants and whatnot; Google does it with impunity, daily, and you think it's cool!
Wake up, people. Be consistent in your positions. If you're going to whine about how The Man(tm) is trying to make 1984 look like child's play, then complain about Google basically doing the same exact thing, with *YOUR* help (but in a much cooler way).
Re:What about Google Earth, you OK with that too? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Back on the reality layer (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I am a member of the US Intel community. (Score:4, Interesting)
Drop the "brotherhood" attitude and start treating us regular people like we deserve your respect and we'll let you do more. As long as law enforcement or intelligence allows their own to commit even the smallest crimes against the citizenry without jumping all over them, you are not wanted. You are here to protect me, not to protect each other. Show me you are on my side by putting the corrupt 1% of you in jail and I'll change my mind.
I don't want you. I don't want your help. I don't like you.
BTW, you are not my parents, you are my security guards. You have been stealing from my fridge and taking the car for joy rides (not all of you, but the food is gone and there is a dent in the fender). Please, don't be surprised when you don't get a Christmas card.
Re:They've won. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I am a member of the US Intel community. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:W00t. 1st post (Score:2, Interesting)
In essence any such victory would be clearly Pyrrhic. However, do not discount the abilities of what a comparitively few angry individuals could do against a numerically and/or technologically superior force - Remember the Revolutionary War of the United States?
I'm sure that I'm not the only one that never hopes to see such a conflict on U.S. soil - I know that Obama agrees - after all he's taking the "preventative measure" (as stated before) of working towards banning firearms.
Re:W00t. 1st post (Score:3, Interesting)
I agree with the last part, but if our founders followed your first sentiment, we'd still be part of the UK.
Re:W00t. 1st post (Score:3, Interesting)
Incidentally a bunch of Muslim students were just released from jail with their convictions squashed after the defence pointed out that reading Jihadist literature is (correctly) not a crime here. When I get my door booted in at 8am (or others' are having that treatment) without recourse to the law for redress, then we have an ETR. Right now, we just have a framework of law under which some ETR activities could be smuggled through.
I'm also highly dubious about the ability of British political establishment to have a successful conspiracy to bring an ETR about. Even if all the MPs were secretly plotting to institute a junta, end proper elections, etc, they'd cock it up.
Yes- O J Simpson (Score:0, Interesting)
Re:Canadian? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:W00t. 1st post (Score:3, Interesting)
BTW: Since you were so worried about moderation, I will point out that I had mod points, disagreed with you heartily, and posted in rather than tried to mod-censor you.
Re:I am a member of the US Intel community. (Score:1, Interesting)
I think there is far more concern with the people who know what they are doing than the people who do things accidentally. The people who know what they're doing have a far more accurate picture of what's happening and continue to do it anyway. They're despicable, and while you and the people you have worked with may not be corrupt, there are plenty who are.
I've dealt with cops who put guns in my face because of the way I dressed, and been pulled over by feds because my car "looks like it doesn't belong here". I wouldn't trust those people to not abuse the system, and you, as a cog in the machine (whether you believe it or not) will follow right along with what you're told to do because it's easier than fighting the system. (I know, I've been there.)
I do know the reasons for the spy satellites and UAVs and all the other collection methods out there, and I still say they're bull shit. If you believe they have any true effect on your safety you're mistaken (unless you're in a combat zone).
Re:W00t. 1st post (Score:3, Interesting)
Squat. Jack Squat.
The same thing that happened the last time we tried it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion [wikipedia.org]