Facebook A Black Hole For Personal Info 242
Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times has an article on how Facebook is so sticky it is nearly impossible to get loose. While the Web site offers users the option to deactivate their accounts, Facebook servers keep copies of the information in those accounts indefinitely. Many users who have contacted Facebook to request that their accounts be deleted have not succeeded in erasing their records from the network. 'It's like the Hotel California,' said Nipon Das, a user who tried unsuccessfully to delete his account. 'You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.' It took Mr. Das two months and several e-mail exchanges with Facebook's customer service representatives to erase most of his information from the site, which finally occurred after he sent an e-mail threatening legal action. But even after that, a reporter was able to find Mr. Das's empty profile on Facebook and successfully sent him an e-mail message through the network. Facebook's quiet archiving of information from deactivated accounts has increased concerns about the network's potential abuse of private data, especially in the wake of its fumbled Beacon advertising feature."
The one lesson (Score:2, Insightful)
Be smart about what you put online and for pete's sake don't let anyone take naked photos of you, 'cuz they *will* end up online, and it will be *hilarious*.
I'm not sure whose side I'm on! (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree that it seems unusual, and that maybe it's an unanticipated side-effect of giving your info to a social networking site that your data may persist forever, but I really don't think they're doing anything immoral.
hating facebook (Score:5, Insightful)
Can someone suggest a cleaner, more useful alternative to facebook that I can try and talk all my friends into joining?
What a business model (Score:5, Insightful)
Really, the only thing you can do to throw a wrench in the works is to falsify the entire contents of your profile. It would be very interesting to see if you could use that to influence the behavior of advertisers. For example, I wonder what would happen if every account suddenly added "Cowboy Neal" to the Interests field. Facebook bombing, anyone?
Shocking, just shocking (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, even if Facebook did have a motivation for fully scrubbing users data when asked, I would think just Facebook employee incompetence would result in a certain percentage of information being left. And from Facebook's perspective, how many times do you think they have to deal with a user wanting everything they ever posted/uploaded gone forever one week, then wanting it all back and restored perfectly the next?
If you don't want it in the public realm, don't upload it/post it. Simple as that.
Because They Can (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Easy Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:hating facebook (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's the best one for all your local friends to join: The Pub. It's great, you get to talk to each other face to face! I joined this group when I was about 15, and I've enjoyed it ever since. Only real friends join my group and we can buy each other REAL drinks.
If you like you can write on the wall, but I don't think the publican will be too happy.
Re:And how do you delete a SLASHDOT account? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not to be a fanboy.
Good idea but.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ditch facebook! (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course that's only on small group of examples - but the rest of the world doesn't share the same privacy concerns as many here do. If you ask them though, of course they care - but would they do something about it or help to fix the issues? Nope.
Re:Facebook Terms of Service (Score:5, Insightful)
So in fact the license expires as soon as you remove the content. From reading some of the other posts here, it seems that Facebook tries to make a difference between "removing" material and "deactivating" material. I guess if all you do is "deactivate" you account, you're technically not removing it and thus Facebook retains its license, so one must remove their material. If Facebook then retains that information, I would say they are then in violate of copyright.
Re:Good (Score:2, Insightful)
Note to mods: Don't bother modding this OT/flamebait/troll/stalker or whatever. I'm just continuing a conversation with parent that we've been having for a while, so don't bother wasting any points.
Re:Good (Score:4, Insightful)
Which probably means 'normal' isn't what the press would like you to think it is.
Re:I prefer "Roach Motel for Data" (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Shocking, just shocking (Score:3, Insightful)
Most of Europe, from my understanding, has very strict privacy policies regarding personal data. You must have data retention policies detailing when the information will automatically go away, always allow customers to opt out, and always allow customers to remove their data.
Thank god we have freewheeling capitalism where companies can sell my personal data with no consequence.
I'm sure someone can point out something wrong with the European system, but it sure is a whole hell of a lot better than the US one.
Re:Good idea but.... (Score:3, Insightful)
But that is the way it should be, The internet was made to be resilliant, and it does a damn good job of it. So before you start suing companies and yelling at people about not being able to erase your data, maybe you should have a good solid hand-to-forhead moment an realize you are a dumbass.
Not just in facebooks servers (Score:5, Insightful)
Not just personal data, but your relationship to all your friends list. If you 'went to school with' so and so, then it's easy to find out what school you went to based on what school your friend went to. If you have cousins on there... odds are one of them has a last name the same as your mother's maiden name. Yeah... the 'how do you know this person' info is bad too.
My Personal Solution (Score:2, Insightful)
Though as for Facebooks right to do this? I dont think so. They may have some sort of backward legal right to do this but if thats the case someone needs to get some sort of action together to stop it. If not they will end up simply licencing the data off to companies, if anyones making money of your life it should be you.
Re:Ditch facebook! (Score:3, Insightful)
The fact that this record is permanent adds to the importance of being careful what you put on line. My oldest is 8, and when she starts getting into this, it's a lesson I hope I can teach her. The tactic I've heard with parents who do allow their children have an online presence is to tell them "I will be looking at your profile every day. Don't put up anything you don't want me to see.". It makes them realize, on a deep level, that this stuff isn't private.
In case you haven't noticed... no one does care.
Sadly, I've noticed. I think you're right. I just wish it wasn't so. It's hard to see something so clearly when most other people don't... it makes me feel like a Ron Paul supporter or something.
Re:Good idea but.... (Score:5, Insightful)
As funny, scary and true as that is, does anyone realize that there's a whole generation of kids, who've never really known life without the 'web, who not only know this but actively count on it?
Re:Good idea but.... (Score:2, Insightful)
I wouldn't call it a black hole (Score:1, Insightful)
I'm more worried about it being a worm hole. Sucking in information and spitting it out...who knows where?!
Moderation options, please! (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's get some angst into our moderation,