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The Register Exposes More Wikipedia Abuse 524

Posted by Zonk
from the it's-the-internet-how-could-there-not-be-drama dept.
cyofee writes "The Register has up another article exposing abuse of Wikipedia's policies and processes. It tells a tale of a man, Gary Weiss, controlling the Wikipedia article about himself and his enemies (one of Wikipedia's biggest taboos) all under the blessing of the Wikipedia Cabal. A man who attempted to expose the affair on Wikipedia, along with his his entire IP range (some 1000 homes), was permanently blocked. This comes only days after the affair of the Secret Mailing list."
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The Register Exposes More Wikipedia Abuse

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  • Waht do you know (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nunyadambinness (1181813) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:26AM (#21612553)
    A good idea corrupted by human execution.

    We told them it would happen, but "NO! This time it's different!". Except, it wasn't.

    Where's that guy who shills for wikipedia, I'd love to hear his take on this.
  • by AmaDaden (794446) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:30AM (#21612605)
    Once as a boy I was told something about absolute power...now how did that go again?
  • Meh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SatanicPuppy (611928) * <[Satanicpuppy] [at] [gmail.com]> on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:30AM (#21612613) Journal
    It's not the idea. The idea was "everyone contributes, and everyone is equal." If that was still the idea, we wouldn't be hearing all these stories of editorial abuse, because things are now unequal, and that inequality is what's breeding all these problems.

    Put a group in charge, and you're going to get abuse. That's just a fact. To get around this, most other organizations add some checks and balances, some oversight, some limitations on power. WP didn't do this, and now they're suffering for it.
  • You can't complain (Score:1, Insightful)

    by log1385 (1199377) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:33AM (#21612655)
    Any project like Wikipedia will be subject to abuse. That's just the way things are. Actually, I'm always surprised the Wikipedia is as reliable as it is, and that so many people are willing to devote their time and effort to make it better.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:34AM (#21612671)
    and controversies like it long ago. I created over 600 articles, mostly on Martian and Mercurian craters, and the inner workings of the U.S. executive branch of government. The problem with Wikipedia is that only the power-hungry authoritarians seek to become administrators, while the regular editors are content to just sit there and write rather than formulate policy.
  • All or nothing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by overshoot (39700) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:37AM (#21612711)

    I'd hate for Wikipedia to be taken down over some scandal.
    So there's no point in wasting cycles on Wikipedia's imperfections, since the only alternative is its total destruction?

    That's good to know -- I don't need to write up that material I was going to submit since Wiki is a "love it (as is) or leave it" regime.

  • by garcia (6573) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:37AM (#21612719)
    News flash! The Register has less credibility than Wiki, if only for this idiotic smear job.

    Ah yes, but The Register is little more than a rag e-zine but Wikipedia attempts to pass of this air of authority that it obviously does not have as there are people, at the top, fucking things up.

    Yes, but is this relevant to 85% of the body of work? Do we really need to throw the word "totalitarian" around, or "black helicopters?" Jeez.

    How the fuck would we know? We don't have someone who devoted a good bit of his free time in a year to attempting to track down the source of this snafu. It could seriously be that a majority of entries are fucked with in this way -- much to the enjoyment of the douchebags that believe they are somehow important because they are in a "ruling clique" -- but we'd never know w/o more people digging around.

    That said, this sounds like a bunch of forum trolling, whining and conspiracy theory that I see on almost every single web-forum that has some sort of board running most of the show. Move along, it's not worth getting upset over.
  • by overshoot (39700) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:40AM (#21612771)

    Actually, I'm always surprised the Wikipedia is as reliable as it is, and that so many people are willing to devote their time and effort to make it better.
    ... which they may stop doing if they can't complain, yes?
  • So saying that there is a problem at WP is the same as destroying the whole?

    The only reason people complain is because they care about it. This is a real concern; I have absolutely no problem believing that there are abuses going on. The editors are human, and, even worse, they have a strong emotional stake in the project. That gives them a lot of motivation to do some "ends justifying the means" crap like banning someone they don't agree with.

    The way for WP to solve the whole problem is to address the concerns not to do as you are doing, and pretend like they don't exist, or aren't relevant.
  • A very good thing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by franois-do (547649) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:45AM (#21612843) Homepage
    Wikipedia is like a garden : it is not fixed once and for all, and you have to keep fighting continously in order to keep it healthy and tidy. To this respect it does not differ much of our own organisms.

    The defense or truth by presenting all point of views with the origin of each one is both the goal of the Wikipedia and of a vigorous, sane society. "Germ-free" have probably no real future in a living world.

  • by aquatone282 (905179) * on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:46AM (#21612853)

    Anytime you put a group of humans together, a pecking order will be established and the group will establish and enforce its own set of informal rules, often overriding any formal rules the group may have set forth to guide its actions and behavior.

    It doesn't matter if its the local garden club or an open source project - leaders will emerge and their followers will do almost anything to protect the leader's position in the hopes of protecting their own elevated ranking.

  • Re:All or nothing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Torodung (31985) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:46AM (#21612863) Journal
    Hey, whoa pardner. I'm not the one with the "all or nothing" attitude. There are plenty of people saying that this "scandal" somehow affects every article on Wikipedia, even the ones on the boiling point of water, and that is mostly because they have an agenda to take it all down.

    They don't like the idea of Wikipedia, or they are natural conspiracy theorists who think all power and centralized control is evil, and are willing to take Wiki down in their cause to reform it on an idealistic model of total anarchy, which anyone with a lick of sense knows wouldn't work, as evidenced by the vandalism problems Wikipedia has had.

    I don't want to see that agenda served. I think Wikipedia is a good idea, but it was inchoate, as all good ideas are, and they need time and balance to sort out the problems with that idea, without someone screeching "totalitarian" at what is little more than a bunch of snotty intellectuals with little to no PR experience and/or tact.

    Though they failed to mention Nazis, I am calling "Godwin" on the whole bit. I agree with you. It needs to be worked with, and praised for what it is, not assaulted.

    --
    Toro
  • Re:Thanks (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SnoopJeDi (859765) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (idejpoons)> on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:48AM (#21612893)
    Writing to inform isn't that hard either, you should try it sometime.

    Slashdot is not the place for subtle subtext and prose. Unless it's trolling or misinterpreted sarcasm. Then, go for it.

    The respondent posted his reply because your comment was not a complete maturation of an idea, and was more commentary than discussion-invoking.
  • Re:All or nothing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sockatume (732728) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:48AM (#21612897)
    Characterising the project as ruled by a partisan elite with an army of drones at their disposal, just because of the actions of a few pissant administrators, is certainly doing a disservice to the 90% of Wikipedia admins, editors, and unregistered users who aren't complete assholes.
  • by Apple Acolyte (517892) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:49AM (#21612919)
    I think it's necessary for those who are in decision making positions step out from behind the shadows and start making decisions in a more transparent way as part of some sort of formal Wiki council. It doesn't make sense for such a popular public resource to be controlled behind the scenes without any mechanism available to promote responsibility and accountability of the powers involved. And while I'm on the subject, am I the only one who absolutely detests the name Jimbo?
  • Look, stories like this are seriously hurting The Register's credibility, and now Slashdot's as well for reposting this nonsense credulously. I can't believe anyone is even able to say "The Wikipedia Cabal" with a straight face. Wikipedia is fractured into many small groups and cliques just like the rest of human society (trust me, I know, I'm a Wikipedia administrator). All that's going on here is there is some dispute between a certain group of Wikipedians and some other people. I'm not going to say that either side is innocent because neither is. But to paint it as some gigantic conspiracy, with Wikipedia being ruled and dictated by some secret monolithic cabal, is hogwash.
  • The problem is the perceived corruption that goes all the way to the top.

    This isn't about inaccurate information posted by those uninformed, uneducated, or malicious.

    This is about administrators, and the site's creator, supporting (again, *perceived*) fallacies, in an effort to discredit and disgrace someone.

    THAT's the problem.

  • by Raul654 (453029) on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:54AM (#21612991) Homepage
    Employee of overstock.com spams Wikipedia, uses lots of sockpuppets to avoid being blocked, and uses spyware to infect at least one user. Wikipedia blocks him. The Reg writes an article defending said employee and attacking Wikipedia (which Slashdot promptly reposts).
  • Re:Hmph (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Billosaur (927319) * <.ten.enilnotpo. .ta. .rehtorgw.> on Friday December 07, 2007 @10:57AM (#21613051) Journal

    Definitely funny, but as with all Penny Arcade strips, holds a great grain of truth. Wikipedia is billed as on-line encyclopedia, and while it may contain encyclopedic (and in many cases, overabundant) knowledge, it is actually a system whereby groups can vie for control of the information that others see about a particular topic. How many scandals have their been with entries being edited by groups/individuals on the sly, to make an opposing idea or person seem unpalatable or to spread falsehoods or innuendo? And given its size, how much potential inaccuracy or outright prevarication goes unnoticed?

    It's pretty simple: Wikipedia the concept is excellent. The execution lacks quite a bit. At some point, you have to limit the number of people who can actually edit it, and remove the possibility of it going from encyclopedia of knowledge to something more like Facebook or MySpace. And yes, I know, who do you get to edit it? Eventually you have to bite the bullet, trust some people to be full-time editors, watch them to prevent abuse, and cultivate a culture of accuracy in information transmission.

  • Re:Meh. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by morgan_greywolf (835522) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:01AM (#21613107) Homepage Journal
    Now, I'm not defending Wikipedia per se, but if the Linux kernel were developed like that -- "everyone contributes, and everyone is equal", we'd probably end up with a kernel that combines all the bloat of Microsoft Office with all of the elegance of ed. (Wrap your head around that one!)

    The fact is that open source projects aren't democracies, they're meritocracies. You wanna be one of the cool kids of the LKML? Write a few killer features for the kernel or write a bunch of drivers or find and squash a bunch of bugs or something.

    The idea behind Wikipedia was to develop an encyclopedia around open source principles, right? Well, adopt a open source principles and you'll end up with an open source mentality. Hence, as TFA says:

    We aren't democratic." That's how Wikipedia founder Jimmy "Jimbo" Wales described his famously-collaborative online encyclopedia in a recent puff piece from The New York Times Magazine. "The core community appreciates when someone is knowledgeable," he said, "and thinks some people are idiots and shouldn't be writing."


    Sounds like a meritocracy to me.
  • Re:Meh. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SatanicPuppy (611928) * <[Satanicpuppy] [at] [gmail.com]> on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:02AM (#21613127) Journal
    Well I'm actually in favor of oligarchy over democracy in that special case where you can get an oligarch who knows what the hell he's doing. If there was a way to always pick the best person to rule, I'd be a die-hard royalist, or fascist, or whatever.

    Democratic rule basically depends on inefficiency to keep people from doing anything unless most people agree it is the correct thing to do.

    They definitely need more transparency. I think what people are most angry about is the lack thereof. Their formalized processes suck. Their reporting of their bannings, etc, suck.
  • by nuzak (959558) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:04AM (#21613153) Journal
    > The Register's credibility

    Tell me you didn't type that with a straight face.

    No, Wikipedia isn't being "ruled and dictated" by some "secret monolithic cabal". It's just got a bureacracy that's developed its own impenetrable code, and makes arbitrary decisions that act to reinforce their own feelings of mutual belonging in their weird little clique, regardless of whether it has any real positive impact on Wikipedia.

    Sure, there are good admins on WP. Jimbo Wales and his little entourage are not among them.

  • by Rycross (836649) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:04AM (#21613157)
    We in the business have a name for that kind of headline. "Joke" As far as the article, calling it a "deliberate and polemic assault designed to take Wiki down, and rob it of all credibility" is some superb hyperbole. The article itself dabbles in hyperbole, but you've pretty much one-upped it. They overdo it in many place (seriously, "totalitarian"?) but most of what is written seems reasonable when you strip away the, *ahem*, creative writing.

    The thing that makes these little flukes on Wikipedia a scandal is that instead of admitting theres a problem, the wiki in-group will loudly deny any problems and pose it as an all-or-nothing, you're-with-us-or-against-us situation.
  • by Nom du Keyboard (633989) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:05AM (#21613167)

    I notice there was no reference to using Wikipedia's own complaint processes to try and resolve the issue - just the usual edit, edit, get blocked, complain about it on your blog pattern.

    You clearly didn't read the entire article. I suggest you go back and finish it. FYI, it's 5 pages long.

  • Quote (Score:4, Insightful)

    by owlnation (858981) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:05AM (#21613179)
    This Jimmy Wales quote: "We aren't democratic."

    That's one for future generations. That quote should haunt him for the rest of his career. It's right up there with all the ones Bill Gates and Ballmer have made, that are repeated here often.

    Two words: "true colors".

    I was going to add in the usual references to nazis and Ayn Rand and all the rest -- but honestly, Jimmy's quote says it all, and says it clearer. It's all you ever needed to know about Wikipedia.
  • sounds like (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spazmania (174582) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:08AM (#21613211) Homepage
    Sounds to me like the central problem is that after banning an abusive user with a genuine beef they then failed to take reasonable action on the genuine beef. As a result, two or three articles have become hopelessly corrupted and instead of freezing them in that state they should be declared hopelessly corrupted and removed.
  • Re:Meh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SatanicPuppy (611928) * <[Satanicpuppy] [at] [gmail.com]> on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:12AM (#21613277) Journal
    They certainly like to think so.

    The problem is that their idea of merit is far better described as "prolific". If someone does a lot of decent edits, that makes them prolific. If someone creates a small number of extremely high quality original articles, they have merit. It's the second class that really adds value to WP, and they vastly outnumber the first class. But the second class isn't well represented in the admin group, and the first is.

    Without the guys who only write one or two articles, WP would be tiny. But those people have no say. And worse, if they move against the groupthink, then they can be banned.
  • by SuperBanana (662181) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:13AM (#21613301)

    Yes, but is this relevant to 85% of the body of work? Do we really need to throw the word "totalitarian" around, or "black helicopters?" Jeez.

    Relax, chief. It's The Register's odd British humor. Go look at any of their articles about robots- they usually insert jokes about robots being one step closer to world domination/human enslavement.

    Nevermind that this is the paper that runs the Bastard Operator From Hell series. I can't believe you got modded up to 5 for not realizing a joke on a famously snarky-humor-laden technology news sites.

    Also, your comments were a lovely bit of straw man crap: nobody is seriously suggesting (or is it really even possible to) "take down" Wikipedia.

    The Register has less credibility than Wiki, if only for this idiotic smear job.

    Says you, chief. I think they're one of the best sources for technology news around and I love their (obvious to any idiot) twist. CNET and others happily parrot press release after press release; only the good 'ol Reg actually views 'em with an eye of skepticism.

  • this is... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by m2943 (1140797) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:29AM (#21613539)
    as opposed to traditional media, blogs, and rags like The Register, where 100% of the content are controlled by a "cabal" of self-appointed guardians-of-the-truth.

    Thanks, but I take Wikipedia over The Register any day.
  • by CodeShark (17400) <ellsworthpc@yaGI ... minus herbivore> on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:29AM (#21613559) Homepage
    At some point my thought is that there has to be some way that Wikipedia can have discoursive (is that a word?) articles, i.e., if there are competing arguments, set up a Wiki Page that can't be altered so easily that points to both. And it may be important to prevent the antagonistic groups from editing each other's pages.


    An example -- and I don't think this will be off topic when you see where I am going with it: for years a set of researchers in Australia insisted that most peptic and duodenal ulcers were caused by a bacteria called helicobacter pylori. [wikipedia.org] Problem was, the treatment for the bacteria was a simple and very cheap course of antibiotics and pink bismuth (brand name is usually Pepto Bismol) for about two weeks -- which negated the value of some very expensive American-developed medicines who basically trashed the research in the medical community for years. The end of the story is that the researchers, Warren and Marshall were correct, and 80% of all ulcers ARE caused by that bacteria. In fact these two were awarded the 2005 Nobel Prize in Medicine for their work on H. pylori.

    So what would happen if Wikipedia were available back then and the powers that be basically chose the wrong side and banned Warren and Marshall from editing articles on stomach ulcers, because another group had a vested interest in keeping the status quo? Which is where the real ruckus lies and why I am now backing Citizendium [slashdot.org] instead of Wikipedia.

  • by noewun (591275) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:36AM (#21613643) Journal

    . . .all under the blessing of the Wikipedia Cabal.

    Cabal? Really? Are you sure you don't just need to turn off the machine and get outside for a while?

  • Godwin. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SatanicPuppy (611928) * <[Satanicpuppy] [at] [gmail.com]> on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:46AM (#21613813) Journal
    Actually, no.

    I think the biggest benefit of an oligarch/monarch is that they have the capacity for intelligent long range planning, of the sort that everyone goddamn HATES, but which really does good things for the world.

    As an example, I think we should have a higher tax on gasoline to drive down consumption, and increase public transportation and help fund alternative fuel research. Is this possible in our democracy? Not really. Everybody votes against anyone who would even suggest it. During World War II, there was mandatory recycling in a number of cities, and that has benefits, but people hated it, and it got repealed as soon as the war ended.

    An absolute ruler has the ability to switch policy overnight. Democracies are unwieldy and take years to come to a new policy, and often they contain so many exceptions that they're practically useless.

    If you could insure the whole "philosopher king" thing, make sure you have a person as absolute ruler who is both capable and worthy of it, then that would be by far the best system. Since you can't, we go with democracy, not because it's in any way better, but because it limits the possible harm that can come out of government toward the people. However democracy can't save the people from their own shortsightedness, and it's just damn inefficient.
  • by Sockatume (732728) on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:58AM (#21614001)
    Err, they can complain. This guy could've complained. Instead he chose to add "unsavoury" facts to his editing rival's page on the Wikipedia until he was banned for it. His excuse is that he expected the other guy to escalate it to a complaint. It's classic Wikipedia Edit War stuff, with the addition of a dubious conspiracy theory.
  • Wizards of OZ (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fahrbot-bot (874524) on Friday December 07, 2007 @12:10PM (#21614135)
    I actually read TFA and (almost) all the included links to Wikipedia, AntiSocial, WikipediaReview, WikiTruth, etc... I think I can sum up what Jimbo and the other WP Admins would like everyone to keep in mind:

    "Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain."

    Where possible, of course Wikipedia is manipulated for the benefit and glory of those that own or run it (and/or their friends) - DUH. There's money to be made, agendas to set, axes to grind, opinions to influence, minds to manipulate. Then, of course, there are the evil uses :-)

  • Re:Quote (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sockatume (732728) on Friday December 07, 2007 @12:11PM (#21614147)
    Of course they're not a democracy, they're supposed to be factually accurate, not a popularity contest. Recall that they used to put article deletion to the vote, and treating discussions that way (after they'd nominally switched to a concensus basis for article deletions) was responsible for the half-assed decision that gave us Straubgate [halfpixel.com]. (That's not to try and belittle Straub's ingenious plotting.)
  • Re:Meh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lemmy Caution (8378) on Friday December 07, 2007 @12:25PM (#21614361) Homepage
    If you're capable of "putting" any class into place, then you already are the ruling class.

    One thing I love about geek pop political/organizational theory - it works as if politics were a god game in which systems are designed by an abstract, external power, rather than always produced by people who already have a stake in it as players.
  • by spun (1352) <`moc.oohay' `ta' `yranoituloverevol'> on Friday December 07, 2007 @12:25PM (#21614369) Journal
    I know what a cabal is. I've been following the story for a while, and I'm pissed off at the behavior of a small group of people conspiring on the secret mailing list to ban people they dislike. Perhaps the writer in question here deserved it, but dozens more did not. This isn't about protecting wikipedia from vandals. This is about a small group of people acting in secret to crush those they dislike and to protect each other's interests.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone uninvolved in the cabal could be as shrill and defensive about it as you appear to be. It seems as though you are taking attacks on this small group of people personally, why is that? We aren't attacking wikipedia, which is a great institution, but the selfish, childish, and paranoid people who are destroying it. Why should this bother you so much if you are not one of them?
  • by Blakey Rat (99501) on Friday December 07, 2007 @01:11PM (#21615015)
    First of all, is *anybody* talking about taking down Wikipedia?

    Secondly, and the thing that bothers me the most about all of this, is that there's a simple technical fix to the majority of Wikipedia's problems. "Deleted" articles should remain viewable by the general public, not just administrators. Even if that didn't solve the problem, it would at least let people look at the articles and see whether they should actually be deleted or not.

    Thirdly, Wikipedia's motto is "anyone can edit." If they don't let people with 'sockpuppets' (I hate that term) edit, then they need to change the motto. Pointing out hypocrisy in this is perfectly well and fine; it's the same as Comcast advertising unlimited usage, then canceling accounts when they use 5 GB a month. If banning exists on Wikipedia, then not anyone can edit it.
  • by Moryath (553296) on Friday December 07, 2007 @01:50PM (#21615579)
    So what is the ultimate goal here. Is Wikkipedia really an open encyclopedia accessible to everyone or id it an exclusive club of yes men attempting to push some hidden agenda.

    "Yes."
    For a lot of topics, Der Fuehrer Jimbo or one of his cronies probably don't give a rat's ass. So they wind up leaving those alone, at which point other dynamics [livejournal.com] (also here [livejournal.com]) come into play.

    And if it is even remotely the second, I could see how exposing the corruption would be a serious things. It threatens the validity of the agenda. But I have to ask, if there is no agenda, then why would corrupt practices be something of interest.

    Corrupt practices should be of interest on the basis that they're corrupt, but also because everything has real-world implications. Articles on a country have real implications - they can impact tourism, they can impact politics, they can impact how people view the country. Articles on a political dispute, or a political leader, can have a formative impact on how they are viewed, especially as Wikipedia has hit so high in its search rankings seeing as it's essentially one gigantic fucking linkfarm (that gives out no bump to anyone else now that they implemented external-link "nofollow" tags).

    Psychological research for decades has shown what ought to be pretty obvious - the first impression someone gets about something is always the strongest, and absent a massive shock or mound of evidence, will always have more impact on thought patterns than later information. Wikipedia, by virtue of being engineered to hit high in the search rankings, is the first place most people will get information on a given random topic.

    That makes it important.

    And if there is an agenda, what might it be? I know they have had slanted coverage of politically charged events. Things like one paragraph somewhat hidden on other pages explaining the real problems with the Katrina response and three quarters of the main article focusing on the government, Bush and how evil they are. But I doubt their motivation is purely political.

    Depends what article and who you're asking. A number of $cientologists work to bias the hell out of $cientology articles - hiding what the Cult of $cientology wants hidden from view, such as the fact that the "Oxford Capacity Analysis" (their rigged personality test) has nothing to do with Oxford University for example. A rather sizable group of Arabs work to whitewash and control any article related to Islam and regularly war over the Israel/Palestinian issue... the trick is getting yourself entrenched and acquiring allies who are equally fanatical on some other topic that you don't really give a rat's ass about. You scratch their back, they scratch yours... and at the end of the day, the result is that most of the administrators on the site aren't set up about making a better encyclopedia, but keeping an article under their control and helping their new "friends" do the same on theirs.

    Check out This page [wikipedia.org] as one example. What do we see? A user named OrangeMike, who just "happens" to be a well-known Democrat operative in Milwaukee and longstanding friend of communist mayor Frank Zeidler comes along and starts whitewashing articles that mention his friend, and abuses his connections to other admins to get his opponents banned. The situation is almost a textbook example of what Parker Peters refers to.

    A short time later, after questions of his conduct are removed from [wikipedia.org] >his Adminship candidacy page [wikipedia.org] by his abusive-a
  • Re:Also blocked (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:13PM (#21621281)
    Nice try, HiLJ sockpuppet.

    Seriously, this is transparent. Trying to garner sympathy for your fictional character by posting a "tell all" post from some nameless cog in the "Wheel of Destruction!!!" which is out to get you?

    WOW.
  • Mad with power (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sporkme (983186) * on Friday December 07, 2007 @11:26PM (#21621329) Homepage
    EPA Official: S-sir, I'm afraid you've gone mad with power... [imdb.com]
    Russ Cargill: Of course I have. You ever tried going mad without power? It's boring. No one listens to you!
    /simpsons

    Yeah, whatever, I will still do research for unimportant papers via Wikipedia and its vast citations, because when I use other encyclopedias I only get ONE source for information. Jeez, what is the big deal? If your subject is controversial, what makes you think a single source is more reliable? If you just need to know the molecular structure for cuprous iodide [wikipedia.org] or Mussolini's place of birth [wikipedia.org] it's great! Only pricks are trying to turn it into another Myspace.

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