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Hans Reiser Interview on ABC's 20/20 482

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baegucb_18706 noted that ABCs 20/20 has a lengthy article on the saga of the Hans Reiser murder trial. I'm not sure if this article provided any information that you might not have known if you read the earlier wired interview, but it's still a really strange story.
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Hans Reiser Interview on ABC's 20/20

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  • by phaunt (1079975) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @11:37AM (#21231485)

    If Einstein murdered his wife, he would be a murderer, not a genius.
    He would have been both a murderer and a genius. Maybe you meant he would have been remembered today as a murderer only, but I very much doubt that.
  • by bryanp (160522) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @11:42AM (#21231525)
    Reiser, whose work kept him overseas in Russia for months at a time, wanted more children and did not want Nina returning to work as a doctor.

    "I ran the business and I expected my wife to take care of the kids," he said.


    Wow. Wotta guy. Let's see, I want to marry an intelligent, highly educated doctor and then turn her into a brood mare who stays in the kitchen making cookies. Yeah, that'll work.
  • No body (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hey (83763) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @11:42AM (#21231529) Journal
    In a reasonable system there is no way somebody can be convicted of murder without a body.
  • Re:No body (Score:3, Insightful)

    by schnikies79 (788746) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @11:48AM (#21231561)
    No, that would just make an unreasonable system where anyone with the skill to properly dispose or hide the body would never be found guilty.
  • by bryanp (160522) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:11PM (#21231719)
    Actually I was insulting a man who marries a woman and tries to force her to stay home with the kids when that wasn't what she wanted to do. But then you might have know that if you'd RTFA.

    I have no problems with one parent staying home. I know several people who do that. Two families I'm thinking of the wife is the breadwinner and the husband is the stay-at-home dad.
  • by inject_hotmail.com (843637) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:25PM (#21231865)
    I RTFA: This just doesn't add up. Why did the children get sent to Russia?!? I assume that Hans is capable of taking care of them, how did the kid's grand parents get custody of their natural father is still alive and kicking? The kids were growing up here and how they were transplanted to a culture remarkably different?

    I don't believe that Hans showing up at the school to see the kids and give them a telephone number is 'suspect'..like come on. Did Nina orchestrate these events? Or was Hans so upset about her decision for divorce once she became a US citizen, and that she screwed his best friend, that he had to kill her?

    Seems to me like Nina took off for the homeland, and has her kids there too. Hans is left holding the bag...

    Now I probably won't get updates for my ReiserFS....damnit.
  • Re:I see! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by doom (14564) <doom@kzsu.stanford.edu> on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:28PM (#21231893) Homepage Journal

    gowen wrote:

    Interviewing Hans Reiser about the Hans Resier murder, eh? Clever.

    Actually, that's what they've got here that's new. Previously we haven't had Hans Reiser's side of the story, just the case the police were making against him in the media. And I have to say, it's nice to see a story that more-or-less takes Reiser's side on this, everyone else seems anxious to convict him before the trial... including "Wired", slashdot, etc.

    By the way: How would you feel if you were on a jury and found out later, after the trial was over, that the judge had decided not to worry your head with a minor little detail like the fact that one of the people in the story was a confessed serial killer?

    Anyway, I'm typing this up on a machine running Reiser FS, which is a really nice file system, and it remains so irrespective of whatever did happen to Reiser's wife. I hope the guys at NameSys succeed in keeping the work going, with or without Hans.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:30PM (#21231935)
    of course trying to kill yourself is crazy so you also have an automatic insanity defence.

    Sometimes killing yourself is the rational thing to do, not that you'll ever see a bible thumper admit it out loud except when they get to be publicly flaming hypocrites and tell everyone how various criminals should do the world a favor and just kill themselves.
  • by doom (14564) <doom@kzsu.stanford.edu> on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:34PM (#21231957) Homepage Journal

    Partly for that reason. In my opinion, it's rare for a maladjusted child to come from a home where the father works, and the mother cares for the children, but it's common for maladjusted children to be latch key kids with both parents working 2 jobs.

    Do you have stats to back that up, or are you living your life based on what you've seen on television?

  • I've carried large sums of cash and my passport. Does that make me a murderer on the run?

        It's completely circumstantial evidence.

        But, if you put enough pieces together, circumstantial evidence can be damning in front of a jury, regardless if the truth is there or not.

        From what I've seen, there are several ways it could have gone.

        1) He killed her (the presumption of law enforcement)
        2) Her new boyfriend, the drug and kinky sex fiend, killed her.
        3) She's a sex slave, living in a crack house somewhere in the less friendly neighborhoods of any major US city.
        4) She left town, and is living somewhere else in America or Canada.
        5) She left the country, possibly for Russia.

        As someone else said, they don't believe she could be in Russia. Any country with enough land and population, provides a place for anyone to hide comfortably, even in plain site. She could be working as a doctor, using her own name, with enough clients to be very comfortable, and still no one would notice.

        I don't know all the facts, just the ones that have been presented in the media and in interviews. I'm not following closely though. I just know, none of us have all the evidence at our disposal, so none of us can make really educated opinions on it.

        For all we know, it was some one-off killing, where some random lunatic saw a crying woman in a parking lot, killed her, drove her 1000 miles away, and buried her in a shallow grave. Heck, we've all done that once or twice. (j/k)
  • Re:She's in Russia (Score:4, Insightful)

    by liquidpele (663430) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:43PM (#21232045) Journal
    True. Imho, Reiser won't get convicted unless they find some physical evidence because from the facts currently presented to us no reasonable person would say he's guilty without any reasonable doubt. The chances of her being in Russia are just plain reasonable. However, as we all know unreasonable people end up on juries an unreasonable percentage of the time, so if they decide Reiser is probably guilty because he's weird as all hell, then he'll be F'd.
  • Re:Death Penalty! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Martin Blank (154261) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:44PM (#21232047) Journal
    This kind of thought is the reason that we have the system that we do. Just because someone is a complete and utter dick doesn't mean that they're guilty of murder. Controlling? Probably. Abusive? Perhaps. But there are a lot of controlling, abusive dicks that don't murder their wives. There's evidence against him, but it has to go through a court first. I was saying this to others in the Scott Peterson case, too, and it's important that it not just be a formality.
  • Re:Death Penalty! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ant P. (974313) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @12:59PM (#21232227) Homepage
    I don't know what fascist dictatorship you live under, but in my part of the world it's "innocent until proven guilty".
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @01:03PM (#21232277)

    Suicide, while deplorable...
    Freedom is based on ownership of your own body and mind. You get to define what your life means to you, and no-one else. To state that suicide is deplorable is to deny an immediate consequence of the most basic principle of freedom.

    Suicide is usually distressing for family and friends. It is sometimes the result of mental illness. But it is not "deplorable".
  • by G Fab (1142219) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @01:03PM (#21232287)
    Pal, it's cool that most women want a family and are willing to sacrifice for it, but it's up to the chick to do that on her own.

    This is the opposite case, where the woman wanted to have a nice profession herself, obviously worked her ass off to earn one, and then was forced out to serve her lord husband's interest.

    Note: your girl might change her mind. PEople get married young, hoping to have kids, and the girl will do ANYTHING for that family ideal. A few years of college can make her more interested in saving the world or something. When your girl considers that option (and if she doesn't even consider it, she's a moron), are you going to tell her to stick with the original deal? It's hard not to. I know. I wanted my wife to raise the kids so I could take my career whereve I wanted. It's hard, but ultimately, it's about sharing the burdens and choices equally. And if she's willing to sacrifice hers for yours, then she better get something valuable out of the deal (raising kids and changing daipers is not what I have in mind).
  • Re:She's in Russia (Score:3, Insightful)

    by yoprst (944706) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @01:09PM (#21232363)
    The chances of her being in Russia are just plain reasonable
    People don't fly anonymously, do they? Isn't it easy to check if she's left the country?

    Lovely sig, by the way
  • Freedom is based on ownership of your own body and mind. You get to define what your life means to you, and no-one else. To state that suicide is deplorable is to deny an immediate consequence of the most basic principle of freedom.

    Suicide is usually distressing for family and friends. It is sometimes the result of mental illness. But it is not "deplorable


    Suicide is deplorable because people have responsibilities to the family and friends they leave behind, and in choosing suicide, they have abandoned those responsbilities.
  • Re:She's in Russia (Score:3, Insightful)

    by imsabbel (611519) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @02:50PM (#21233541)
    Well, the thing is, everything hints to the fact that the seat had to be disposed because of the gore that couldnt be cleaned.
    Its been a while since i have read up on the case, so i might be wrong, but IIRC, he claimed that he "spilled something" on it, and it had to be removed.
  • by Plutonite (999141) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @03:04PM (#21233673)
    Bullshit. She seems to be one hell of a bitch, obviously married him only for the money and the oh-so-prized citizenship.

    "She divorced me the day she became a citizen. I don't know whether it was the exact day but same month"

    And from TFA she also was cleaning out his money. He introduced her to his best friend, to take care of her while he was away, but this highly intelligent, educated doctor you speak of let the man introduce her to drugs and fuck her while reiser wasn't there. Sounds like some Russian skank who wanted to escape being a translator for a dating service in KGB land. And beautiful? She looks barely average.

    As for your blood-mare comment, I'm sure the governments of Sweden and similar nations who pay women to stay at home and care for their children several YEARS have something to say to you. I have the utmost respect for stay-at-home moms who are helping to build solid families for this country.. definitely more than your favorite juknie/ho "doctor".

    Reiser could've had so much better for a wife, no matter how "weird" he is. Reiser also doesn't have the nicest of friends, unfortunately. Kind of tough when you're best friend is a homosexual serial killer who wanted to sleep with you then decided to give it to your Russian wife when you said no. Jesus fucking Christ, Hans, are there no other people in the world to make friends with?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @03:12PM (#21233727)

    Suicide is deplorable because people have responsibilities to the family and friends they leave behind
    Dude, it must really suck to be your friend.

    None of my friends and none of my family have a "responsibility" to me not to end their lives. I support and love them, and I am happy to help them through any tough periods, but I do not believe that any of them should either live or die for me.

    In fact, "as my friend, you have a responsibility to me to live" has to be one of the most nonsensical, contradictory lines you can deliver to a suicidal friend. You might never deliver it, but if you're thinking it yet have to hide it, you've demonstrated to yourself how inappropriate it is.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @03:22PM (#21233821)

    they were scared of the USA
    I'm having a hard time imagining children born and raised in the US claiming they were so scared of the _country_, they'd rather be in Russia, and a world away from their Dad, US family, friends, etc.

    Are they his kids (biologically)? Why not their grandmother in the US? This sounds bizarre to me.

    The embezzlement, cheating, mail order bride affiliation, all look pretty damned shady to me. I was highly suspect of Hans when I first heard he bought those criminal investigation books (I think they were first published in the news as "murder manuals"), but this article is saying he bought "criminal investigation books" FIVE DAYS AFTER she disappeared? At that point, when you've just discovered you're a primary suspect in a murder case, EVERYONE should start reading up on the process.
  • None of my friends and none of my family have a "responsibility" to me not to end their lives. I support and love them, and I am happy to help them through any tough periods, but I do not believe that any of them should either live or die for me.

    If your friends do not have any sense of commitment or responsibility to you, and vice versa, then I would question the worth of your friendship. It may suck, as you say, to be my friend, but a friendship with you would be entirely pointless.
  • Wow, what selfish family and friends is all I can say

    Selfish that you want people that you love to live? Selfish for a son to ask his father not to blow himself away but to try and find a job so he can see him grow up? Selfish for a daughter that needs her mother, a husband who needs his wife?

    Those are some lazy, worthless relationships, you advocate. The best of human bonds are unbreakable... what you have, is pure Walmart family.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @03:34PM (#21233963)
    Blood in the home and Reiser buying forensics technique books after the disappearance doesn't faze you guys in the least... any wacky theory that vindicates the guy, you'll latch on to?

    In many ways, this reminds me of the OJ Simpson case and the black community's defend-at-all-costs reactions and "theories". Regardless of the actual evidence, any straw available is grasped at to keep their hero a hero.
  • Re:No body (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @03:52PM (#21234117)
    So if you owned a business in Russia that required you to travel to Russia, and you were not allowed to go to your home any longer (because the police said so) and had to live in your car keeping all your worldly possessions in your car, you wouldn't take the passport required to get into Russia with the rest of your possessions in your car?

    Good work Columbo.
  • by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Sunday November 04, 2007 @03:57PM (#21234179) Journal

    Let me assemble your "evidence" here:

    Reiser was a very controlling husband who dominated his wife.

    He trashed her career so he could work on his, would disappear for months at a time in Russia, and then, by other witnesses, often screamed at her over the phone.

    remove the passenger seat.

    $9000 in cash

    That is the evidence. Now, here is where your speculation starts -- and by "speculation", I mean "making shit up":

    I've had to live in my car, but I've never been in a situation where I felt like I needed to remove the passenger seat.

    I've never had to live in my car, so you must never have had to, either, right?

    Just because you never had to remove the passenger seat doesn't mean it's impossible for anyone to, or that the only reason you could possibly ever have is to clean blood from it.

    Even in the USA, Reiser could have rented a room for like $200-$300 a month, an apartment for $500-$600

    So what?

    There are any number of reasons you might be living in your car. Money is only one, perhaps the only you can think of. Or perhaps he needed the money for something else.

    the most convenient way to put money in the hands of a Russian programmer is electronically.

    The most convenient way to put money in anyone's hands is electronically, yet US people write checks all the time. Why should Russian programmers be any different?

    And now we move to the exercise in creative writing...

    Reiser killed Nina in the car, and cleaned it out thoroughly, which explains why it was wet, except for the seat she was sitting in, which had to be removed. The seat is probably with the body, most likely. The $9000 in cash and passport were to allow him to leave the country and go to Russia, and the reason he ran from the cops, to begin with, is that he knew that he did it.

    And you just made all of that up.

    Go look up the definition for "reasonable doubt". We send people away when there is no other reasonable explanation for the evidence.

    Well, fuck you. I've had a wet car, I've removed the seat from a car, I've had friends run from the cops (stupid thing to do, but still, doesn't make them guilty), and I have carried more cash than I should. And I've never killed anyone.

    Maybe he did kill her, but nobody knows. Because nobody knows, and because we're in America, he should walk.

    Unfortunately, because we're in America, you also have committed no crime by being an ignorant hate-spewing fucktard.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @04:09PM (#21234289)

    If your friends do not have any sense of commitment or responsibility to you
    Irrelevant. My friends may have a sense of commitment or responsibility. What I indicated was that I do not expect them to have a sense of responsibility to live for me.

    a friendship with you would be entirely pointless.
    For you, clearly. You require your friends to make a philosophical sacrifice of their life to you, and I'm not prepared to give you that.

    Looking at this thread [slashdot.org], you are also irrationally judgmental and verbally abusive. This dominant approach over others would make you an unbearable companion to me.

    We appear to have such opposing approaches to treatment of others that further discussion will not be productive. Thanks for your time.
  • by Eternal Vigilance (573501) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @04:29PM (#21234447)
    I can never be too sure whether they're hiding something.

    I mean, what if they knew where a terrorist had hidden a nuclear weapon that was about to destroy a major American city? Oh, they may say they don't know anything, just going on and on with their "Daddy, Daddy, please stop! Why are you hurting us? *gurgle*", but are you willing to risk the lives of millions of innocent people?

    Being President is hard work, but somebody has to do it.
  • Re:She's in Russia (Score:4, Insightful)

    by budgenator (254554) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @04:48PM (#21234603) Journal
    She was a translator for a Russian "Dating Service" or one of it's clients, seems a few "seasoned" freinds could be pretty easy fot her to aquire along the way. As likely as not a few parasitic "seasoned" freinds would be hard to avoid around that business.
  • by amokk (465630) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @05:23PM (#21234861)
    Could you please shut the fuck up?
    As other people have pointed out in this thread, you are the one being selfish.

    You notion of what friendship is is like an asshole - it's full of shit and it stinks.

    Retard.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @06:33PM (#21235497)
    When you see insipid AC comments getting +1s just for opposing something the general public here doesn't want to accept, you know the moderation system is totally fucked.

    I can't believe some of the comments under this article that are at -1 for no reason, and likewise, comments positively moderated for no other reason than they support Reiser.

    If anyone wanted to karma whore, this is for damn sure the topic to do it under. Just post a pedestrian conspiracy theory, or better yet, a Rube Goldberg-esque justification for every aspect indicative of his guilt, and voila.
  • Todays Juries (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nurb432 (527695) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @09:25PM (#21236701) Homepage Journal
    Today juries as a whole tend not to be intelligent enough to know what facts are, and are swayed purely by their emotions that are played upon by the attorneys. Who ever puts on the best show wins for the most part.

    Dont believe me? Who has time to sit for weeks on a jury? Most often its people that dont have regular jobs or a family to support, so the odds of getting an idiot is pretty high. ( not always of course, but the % is higher )
  • Even if innocent (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nurb432 (527695) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @09:38PM (#21236787) Homepage Journal
    Even if he is innocent, and proven as such during the trial, his life is ruined. Rather effective if you believe this was orchestrated by the wife to get back at him in revenge.

    Revenge is common in bad divorces, and this smells like revenge to me.
  • by Mr2001 (90979) on Sunday November 04, 2007 @10:39PM (#21237195) Homepage Journal

    Selfish that you want people that you love to live?
    Yes, actually, it is selfish to expect someone else to live in suffering so that you don't have to feel the pain of their loss.
  • Re:She's in Russia (Score:3, Insightful)

    by AVee (557523) <slashdot.avee@org> on Monday November 05, 2007 @09:52AM (#21240531) Homepage
    Being homeless is very very dangerous. Well, actually driving a car may well prove to be far more dangerous then living in one. And sleeping in a home containing a very visible expensive TV set may well be far more dangerous than being homeless.
    I know I could survive pretty fine on my own in a car, certainly when I still have a bank account and the ability to eat in a restaurant every day. That pretty much makes it trivial to do. And if that is what it takes to see your kids sometimes, I might just do the same thing.

    And appart from all that, even if you are totally right, doing strange and even dangerous things doesn't make you a murderer. That isn't to say I somehow think he didn't do it. It don't know, and so far I've seen nothing which comes close to proving he did. He's innocent until proven otherwise.
  • Re:Death Penalty! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by defaria (741527) <Andrew@DeFaria.com> on Monday November 05, 2007 @04:02PM (#21245451) Homepage
    OK, I'll bite. Yes people that beat their wives deserve to live. Why? well because beating your wive is not a capital offense. So there. Even the law agrees with me. We do not kill people for beating their wives. Killing their wives? That's a totally different subject. And, BTW, it really doesn't matter if it is their wives, children, neighbors or strangers in a bar. Physical violence is physical violence and we already have laws regarding it. And the penalties do not involve capital punishment for such offenses. So your question/assertion is stupid! Yes emotion is a human trait. But logic is the kingpin. A totally emotional and devoid of logic person is the kind of person you meet in insane asylums. Now I know that's where you like to hang out but still - most of us here in the real world are rational beings... And there's a big difference between "you think it's OK to beat your wife" and "you think such people should be murdered by the state". Hmmm... The George Bush thing... What's the Usenet law that says that arguments eventually boil down to some non-related thing about Hitler? I forget it. Seems to me like we can now officially substitute "George Bush" with "Hitler"... And/or perhaps 9/11 truthers/government conspiracy theories...

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