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D.C. Commuters to be Scanned With Infrared Cameras 452

owlgorithm writes "Washington, D.C. area commuters are going to be "scanned like groceries at the supermarket" in order to catch single-occupant vehicles who are illegally using carpool lanes. The article, from the Washington Post, says that infrared cameras capable of detecting human skin will be installed, rather than the visible-spectrum cameras in use today. So much for using dummies in the front seat."
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D.C. Commuters to be Scanned With Infrared Cameras

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  • by UncleTogie ( 1004853 ) * on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @09:38PM (#20846227) Homepage Journal

    ...that a few things will happen:

    1. Burqa-wearing folk will have a field day.

    2. Some ninny will don tin-foil to jack with the system. He/she will later collapse from heat.

    or

    3. Some enterprising yob will try to create a heated, moving dummy. This will culminate in a video shot on the news: "Flaming Car Of Doom in a HOV lane near you....film at 11!"

  • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Informative)

    by Heir Of The Mess ( 939658 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:18PM (#20846625)

    So much for using dummies in the front seat
    In Jakarta you just pay an unemployed person standing on the sidewalk $1 to ride with you to work. At certain times single occupant cars aren't even allowed on the road. The dude then gets another $1 to ride back with someone else. There's queues of these people waiting at highway entrances waiting to get a $1 to ride with you.
  • by daveschroeder ( 516195 ) * on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:26PM (#20846691)
    I'm saying, then, that the idea and spirit of HOV lanes is for carpool, multiple passenger commuter, busses, passenger vans, and similar applications, and not someone who happens to be toting a child in an infant seat.

    I hope this clears things up.

    And to be serious, I don't know what the specific law is in Virginia, Maryland, or Washington, DC, for HOV/HOT lanes. But the idea, purpose, and principle is what I said above, not for someone to be able to get somewhere faster or more conveniently because they have a child with them.
  • Hmm (Score:5, Informative)

    by way2trivial ( 601132 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:33PM (#20846785) Homepage Journal
    http://www.ncdot.org/projects/hov/faqs.html#q2 [ncdot.org]
    Do children and infants count as passengers?
    Yes. All states with HOV facilities count children and infants as passengers.

    Why do children count as passengers in the HOV lane?
    The main law governing HOV lane use is WAC 468-510-010. This law merely states "occupants." HOVs may therefore include passengers who are not licensed drivers. These can include senior citizens, people with disabilities, and children as well as other people who do not, or can not, obtain a drivers license for various reasons.

    HOVs with non-licensed passengers do not always help to remove cars from traffic. However, one of the Department's considerations in determining HOV eligibility policy is the degree to which the policy will be enforceable by the State Patrol. It can already be challenging to accurately determine how many occupants are in a vehicle. It would be much more difficult, and more expensive, to additionally be required to determine occupant age or licensing status. Another consideration is that carpools are sometimes driven by parents or caretakers who transport groups of children to activities. This does keep additional vehicles off the road.
    http://www.rtc.wa.gov/Studies/Archive/hov/faq.htm#Q12 [wa.gov]

    Why are people with children allowed to use the HOV lane?
    HOV policies everywhere have allowed children to be counted as occupants of a carpool to meet the necessary occupancy requirement. While children may not be of driving age, there are two major reasons that we allow people with children to use the HOV lane: school and day care responsibilities and the idea of educating our children regarding ridesharing. Often, it is difficult to drop kids off at day care, drive to a park-and-ride, catch the bus, and get to work on time. Allowing parents to bring their kids along with them in the carpool, or on the bus, gives them an opportunity to use the HOV lane. This also keeps enforcing the lane very simple: two or more people per car.

  • by corsec67 ( 627446 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:50PM (#20846941) Homepage Journal
    Depends on the frequency of IR, glass is defenetly clear Near-IR, as I have tons of near-IR pictures I took through the windshield and side windows of cars.
  • by NotQuiteReal ( 608241 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:52PM (#20846949) Journal
    study that suggests hov lanes don't work [berkeley.edu].
  • by scatters ( 864681 ) <mark@scatters.net> on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:57PM (#20847007)
    The same should apply to taxis with a single passenger. They should not be allowed to use the party lane unless there are more than one passenger.

    I car-pool to work every day, and it pisses me off to no end when single occupant vehicles use the HOV lane, but then, I'm an asshole so I like to report them. The driver doesn't get cited, but he does get a nasty-gram through the mail courtesy of WSP.
  • by KKlaus ( 1012919 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @10:59PM (#20847039)
    >>habius corpus

    I knew all that my latin in highschool would be useful for something. I just never dared to hope it would be something as important as correcting trivial errors on Slashdot!

    Here goes:

    Habius might a singular genitive of an irregular noun, or a masculine second family nominate noun, but either way, it isn't "habeas" which is a subjunctive 2nd person singular verb meaning "may you have" [the body].

    That felt great. Hail Caesar!
  • by ResidntGeek ( 772730 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @11:41PM (#20847395) Journal
    That's what he said.
  • by teebob21 ( 947095 ) on Wednesday October 03, 2007 @11:42PM (#20847401) Journal

    I'm an asshole so I like to report them.

    You like to report them because you're an asshole.

    -jcr

    I typically don't defend assholes, but the two sentences are grammatically equivalent. One is written Cause --> Effect; the other, Effect ^-- Cause. Another slipup like this might get you sent back to Grammar Nazi boot camp. Achtung!
  • Slug Lines (Score:5, Informative)

    by ToasterMonkey ( 467067 ) on Thursday October 04, 2007 @02:42AM (#20848503) Homepage
    In DC/northern Virginia, and probably elsewhere, they're called "Slug Lines". Very employed people use them, and whole parking lots are set up near the interstate for people to park, and wait in line for another commuter to take them the rest of the way to DC via the HOV lane. Web sites are available to help arrange car pools if you don't like hopping in with just anyone. The biggest slug line downtown is probably at the Pentagon, but I think there are others. I don't know if Maryland has any.

    This makes a whole lot more sense because it actually reduces the number of cars on the road. The HOV lanes are silly anyway, they need a Metro Bus system that doesn't scare away everyone but those with no choice. Or maybe better Metro (light rail) and VRE (commuter train) access. To get to a train station in northern Virginia, you usually have to drive fifteen minutes away from the interstate, through twisty two lane roads, four way stops, and even G^d d*mned subdivisions with 15MPH limits. Every day after work, people huddle near the train doors as it stops, and run to their cars to get out of the parking lot as fast as they can. Few have the luxury of being the first to wait in traffic on the main road or interstate while the rest curse the stupid road planning for what would otherwise be a perfect alternative to spending three hours driving thirty miles up the interstate.
  • Re:No more HOV (Score:3, Informative)

    by dodobh ( 65811 ) on Thursday October 04, 2007 @04:50AM (#20849083) Homepage
    Like making better mass transit available? Your problem is that cars don't scale up to high population densities. What you need is to get a solution which does not involve cars being used as your primary means of transport. Your current choices are: Mass transit, telecommuting, moving offices into mixed use neighbourhoods ... .
  • by ultranova ( 717540 ) on Thursday October 04, 2007 @05:11AM (#20849167)

    So, unless law enforcement plans to use this technology to see something it's not already capable of seeing, e.g. using it to see through the walls of your home, I don't think this is a big deal.

    Dunno about you, but my home has heat insulation in the walls. And in any case, infrared is only slightly more penetrating that visible light, so it couldn't be used for seeing through opaque objects anyway.

  • by ultranova ( 717540 ) on Thursday October 04, 2007 @07:23AM (#20849757)

    There are actually quite good reasons for having it reflect IR.

    So it doesn't turn into a dutch oven in August?

    Actually, it's the prevention of the passage of infrared waves which causes the greenhouse effect. Light enters through the glass and is absorbed into various surfaces, which heat up as a result; the warm surfaces radiate the heat away in infrared radiation, but if the glass doesn't let them through, they rebound and are reabsorbed back into the surfaces. Since energy keeps entering the system in the form of visual light, but can't exit, the system heats up.

  • Re:But.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by steveo777 ( 183629 ) on Thursday October 04, 2007 @09:07AM (#20850505) Homepage Journal

    But then you will be chopping up and sewing together bodies all the time, not to mention the inevitable blood.

    Easy solution. Ever cooked a brat or a potato in the microwave? Just grab a fork and poke a few holes in the body and that'll let out the steam. No kaboom. Simple. Now, if you want to keep from even having to do that, just remove all the body fluids and replace them with buckwheat and rice. That way when you nuke it you can also pull the body's arm around your neck for a nice heating pad on the way to work. Enjoy!

  • by skeevy ( 926052 ) on Thursday October 04, 2007 @01:14PM (#20854341)

    And we have some short yellows, that are difficult to stop for in good conditions. If it was raining, you could easily end up fishtailing into an intersection trying to stop for the silly things.

    If you are driving too fast to comply with traffic regulations such as stopping for a light, then regardless of condition, regardless of posted speed limits, you are speeding.

    You still deserve a ticket.

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